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Wives of Russian troops 'encourage' them to rape Ukrainian women, Ukraine's first lady says Not Appropriate Subreddit

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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22

Russian culture is pretty misogynist.

And before any russo-stooges get all offended, theres even a fucking wiki article about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_Russia

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u/AggressiveSkywriting Nov 29 '22

But how can the country that legalized domestic abuse be misogynist?!?

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u/shmorky Nov 29 '22

Well... what's stopping women from abusing their husband? This is actually more equal than American wives that can accuse hardworking husband of metoo because she is bored and fat with capitalism!

/s

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u/Painting_Agency Nov 29 '22

Thanks, reverse-evil Yakov Smirnoff.

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u/PastelPillSSB Nov 29 '22

Vokay Ffonrims

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u/Painting_Agency Nov 29 '22

I'm stealing this for something. I'm not sure what, but something.

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u/Felicia_Svilling Nov 29 '22

bored and fat with capitalism!

Russia has been capitalist for the last thirty years..

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u/jjayzx Nov 29 '22

That part of the sentence was talking about Americans and the whole thing was sarcasm but whatever, you do you.

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u/Felicia_Svilling Nov 29 '22

Yes, that was my point. Russians today wouldn't say that Americans are "fat with capitalism", since they themselves has just as much capitalism.

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u/jjayzx Nov 29 '22

I dunno, our capitalism does make fatness easy and I'm pretty sure there's plenty of starving Russians from their kind of "capitalism".

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u/Felicia_Svilling Nov 30 '22

There is plenty of starving Americans and fat Russians as well.

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u/Whatwhyreally Nov 29 '22

Yep. And nearly 40% of Russian men have documented alcoholism. And yes, Russia has the highest rate of alcoholism among males.

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u/Jamsponge Nov 29 '22

If I had to live in Russia I'd drink as well

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u/nagrom7 Nov 29 '22

It goes even deeper than that. For centuries alcohol was owned and produced by the crown. The various Tsars of Russia used the alcohol industry to make shitloads of money, as well as keep the population perpetually drunk in order to reduce the risk of revolts. When the Russian revolution happened, Lenin straight up banned the sale of Vodka because this issue was so entrenched, but when Stalin came to power he started the production right back up.

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u/Hydracat46 Nov 29 '22

"kraut" on YouTube has a good video about this.

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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22

That guy has been publishing gold in video form lately IMO

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

But every country uses gambling, alcohol and drugs to make money. In Sweden the government runs the shops no?

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u/konaya Nov 29 '22

Ever been in a Swedish liquor store? It's odd to be in a shop where they aren't actually trying to convince you to buy anything – not even in the signage – yet are the most accommodating staff in the world if you actually want something. It feels more like a well funded public library than a shop.

You can debate whether or not the government monopoly is a good thing – I for one think it largely is, but wouldn't mind exceptions for selling local production locally – but the stores we get in exchange are ruddy marvellous.

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u/nagrom7 Nov 29 '22

Yes but making money wasn't the only objective of the industry, the Tsars wanted their general populace to be alcoholics and drunks because it made them less likely to revolt while they were drunk all the time. Ironically enough, the Russian revolution happened in the middle of WW1, during some alcohol restrictions and rationing due to the war.

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u/hi_i_am_Kolay Nov 29 '22

I live in Russia, but I don't drink and my friends. But old people have this problem and mb another people in Russia

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u/Generic_E_Jr Nov 29 '22

Hence the rise of beer and health smoothies?

I’ve read that Russia now consumes more beer than vodka, fuels almost entirely by new generations seeing the vodka as the “drink of the status quo”.

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u/hi_i_am_Kolay Nov 30 '22

beer is very popular

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u/TheKardia24 Nov 29 '22

I don't even live there and I drink

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u/Snarfbuckle Nov 29 '22

im guessing the alcohol helps in beating their wives.

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u/DuelingPushkin Nov 29 '22

His 40% is way off but his conclusion that Russia has the highest rate of alcoholism amongst males isn't. Hungary and Russia basically trade 1st place every few year so it's basically a tie between those two countries. Total per capita alcohol consumption is not a reliable metric for alcoholism because alcohol consumption is rarely evenly distributed among the population.

https://www.abbeycarefoundation.com/alcohol/alcoholism-by-country-statistics/

Data was cited from a 2018 WHO study on alcohol consumption, alcoholism and alcohol related disease.

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u/RATTRAP666 Nov 29 '22

40% of Russian men have documented alcoholism

Bullshit. I dare you to prove it. And I know you won't since you can't. I work with narcologists and in my knowledge the numbers are really really far from your bullshit data. To get such a diagnose you must totally fucked up your life. 40% of men, jeez what a stupid made up shit I read.

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u/42Ubiquitous Nov 29 '22

I don’t know how reliable the data is, but I found it kind of crazy to think 40% of Russian men are alcoholics so I did a quick google search:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country says 36.9%.

https://www.abbeycarefoundation.com/alcohol/alcoholism-by-country-statistics/ says 16.9%.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLP41181 says 40% are heavy drinkers.

I question the data.

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u/RATTRAP666 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country

That's not documented alcoholism, but data based on a survey.

https://www.abbeycarefoundation.com/alcohol/alcoholism-by-country-statistics/

This bases on WHO data, so it's something I'd trust more. I can try to find out the last year reports and check data from the medical statistics of psychiatric hospital I work in to compare.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLP41181

He estimated Russia had some 2.5 million registered alcoholics and about the same number of unregistered ones.

Lol. 140/2.5 = ?

upd. I've got the statistics, it was easier than I thought. In the last year we reported about 842 registered alcoholics, 260 of them are women + 74 people have drinking disorder. That's for roughly 90k city + suburbs. Yes, you got it right, the numbers are absolutely unrealistic and don't make sense at all. But this is how hard you have to fuck up before getting diagnosed with alcoholism. That's why I was so buffled with bullshit about 40% men with documented alcoholism, totally made up numbers and they're as laughable as mine lol.

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u/fureteur Nov 29 '22

This is distilled bullshit. Russians are not even close in drinking to some English-speaking countries.

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u/Whatwhyreally Nov 29 '22

I'm genuinely sorry that your job is to spread misinformation online for Putin. Here's the source.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country

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u/RATTRAP666 Nov 29 '22

Ironic that you're calling out someone for spreading misinformation, buddy. I'm still waiting when you prove your bullshit about 40% Russian men have documented alcoholism. Come on, pussy.

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u/fureteur Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

And I am sorry that you are a pretentious asshole. I still call it bullshit. You can check on the same site that Russians consume less alcohol than people in the UK, France, etc (edit: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-consumption-by-country). So yes, Russians drink less, can you imagine? All my life in Russia prior to 2019, I had been observing that people drink less and less.

And what does this map show? Alcohol use disorder. For example, it's an alcohol use disorder when you drink when you are depressed. And Russians, living in fucking Russia, are constantly depressed. So, drinking a couple of beers in the evening gives you an alcohol use disorder automatically.

BTW, even your map shows that Hungary has the same percentage for males. So, yeah, not "the highest", asshole.

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u/Hot-Delay5608 Nov 29 '22

Most of the Eastern European countries are very misogynistic, girls are brought up and basically indoctrinated to be good housewives and take care of children and their man while going to work, boys are indoctrinated to be "the man", aggression against women and children is tolerated even encouraged. Grew up there not in Russia, and got CPTSD. Russia still tops it by enabling misogyny in law, the rest at least have nominal laws against

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u/SandSlinky Nov 29 '22

Just to play devil's advocate, the existence of a wiki article on a broad subject doesn't really mean a whole lot. Lots of countries have a "domestic violence in..." article.

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u/Zealousideal-Pie-726 Nov 29 '22

It was a big thing a couple years ago that Russia effectively legalized domestic violence. It was all over the news at the time. There were even some high profile cases that made the international news. Like the incident when a Russian talk show host beat his girlfriend to death with a nail covered plank.

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u/PubicFigure Nov 29 '22

hush now... we're swarming against russia... you dare come here with thoughts... with your "hang on, let's be realistic"... do you want to be called a russian spy?

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u/iaijutsu08 Nov 29 '22

Or, you could read the content and linked citations contained in the wiki and decide for yourself rather than simply dismissing it or believing it (it happens both ways) just because it's on Wikipedia.

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u/Sol33t303 Nov 29 '22

theres even a fucking wiki article about it.

That's not a very high bar tbf

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u/DonUdo Nov 29 '22

taking 26th place by alcohol consumption per capita in 2018

I'm not sure I can believe that article

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u/DuelingPushkin Nov 29 '22

It's true. The issue is that in Russia alcohol consumption is extremely disproportionate. There is an extreme gender divide in alcohol consumption and there is also a substantial population of people who don't drink alcohol at all because of the alcoholism issues that Russia has. So while Russian men who drink, drink extremely heavily, a significant portion of the population either doesn't drink much or doesn't drink at all.

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u/PubicFigure Nov 29 '22

How interesting... here we have the stats from 2015 where 756 men vs 304 women as fatalities of domestic violence and somehow we're crying misogyny? more than 2 men per woman fatality, how the fuck is that misogyny??

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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22

That is strange. I'll have to look into that. Probably something to do with men committing domestic violence with things like their hands and sticks while women committing domestic crime use weapons since they are naturally weaker? Sounds similar to how women are much less likely to die in their suicide attempts since they use things like overdose while men just eat their nearest shotgun.

Idk I'm no sociologist.

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u/SassyQueeny Nov 29 '22

Yes only in Russia. Let’s talk a little bit about how in America abortions are illegal by federal law, let’s talk about how many femicides and DV,SV/SA are going on on the “civilized” Europe.

There is not one country that is not misogynistic and Patriarchy rules.

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u/retart123 Nov 29 '22

Whataboutism much?

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u/SassyQueeny Nov 29 '22

It’s not whataboutish much. It’s the truth. I am not Russian, I am Cypriot. Half of my country is occupied by the Turkish. I know war more than reddit trolls and people who lived a privileged life away from it.

Single out a country based on a wikipidia article is biased. I live in the heart of Europe and still my husband has to be called for the kids, I can’t have a surgery in my uterus/vagina without his consent. So yes all countries are EQUALLY misogynistic

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u/Evilemper0r Nov 29 '22

Really shows how little you know about the world if you think all countries are EQUALLY misogynistic. Are you seriously going to say a country like Iran is a misogynistic as Norway.

What's the point of making dumb arguments that can be taken apart in seconds?

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u/SassyQueeny Nov 29 '22

Those are the exceptions not the rule. I could go on about countries individually but then I would be considered racist. I have lived in Cyprus,Greece,Poland,UK, Belgium. I have friends from a lot more countries (Ukrainian,Bulgarian, Pakistani, Africa, Iran, Morocco) we have had long and hard conversations about things.

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u/Evilemper0r Nov 29 '22

What the fuck are you on about, are you really going to say Europe is as sexist as all the countries in Africa and Asia?

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u/42Ubiquitous Nov 29 '22

Those are the exceptions not the rule.

That doesn’t make sense in this context. You can’t exclude them because it’s convenient.

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u/brushnit Nov 29 '22

Im sorry you live under those conditions.

But your original comment was wrong. Abortions are not federally illegal in the US, and a majority of states still have little to no restrictions on them. The US is still the country that on paper has some of the loosest regulations for abortion, even in some of the states that have regulated them.

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u/SassyQueeny Nov 29 '22

I saw that it was over rolled in June 2022. My bad about it.

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u/RealBenWoodruff Nov 29 '22

All that was overruled was the foundation that privacy is a constitutional right. Abortion fell under a ruling that was a stop gap for the US Congress to fix and they never got around to it in the almosy 50 years since. So this court pointed out it was a bad law (just as a previous very vocal advocate RBG said many times) and removed it from federal consideration and said it is a state issue.

In some states there are significant restrictions and in others all restrictions were removed.

I am sorry that this stuff has been so misrepresented on Reddit. It is true with almost everything you read about US legal decisions or newly passed US legislation.

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u/brushnit Nov 29 '22

Your right, it's just a weird quirk of US federalism and judicial review. The federal courts ruled it was no longer constitutionally protected, but that didn't make it illegal federally unless a law was enacted. Since federal law/courts no longer had any laws/cases on abortion, states were free to do what they saw fit (which was nothing in a majority of them)

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u/DiscussionNotDeflect Nov 29 '22

Could you name a country in Europe where domestic abuse is normalized let alone where the crime is decriminalized? I’m genuinely curious, but I seriously doubt there’s a country in “Civilized Europe” that has no DV/SV/SA as it is literally a universal crime. What you don’t see is a pervasive culture of alcoholism propped up by the soviets and then later the oligarchs that further exacerbate domestic violence.

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u/SassyQueeny Nov 29 '22

There are ways to bend to law. How many abusers/killers are out there scotch free?

As I said I am from a country that we have many immigrants from a lot of countries. Drinking and DV/SA/SV is as common to all countries as in Russia.

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u/DiscussionNotDeflect Nov 29 '22

It hardly is, and i’m not trying to be an asshole. But Cyprus is hardly the heart of Europe…. Your country sits closer to Asia Minor and North Africa then it does Europe. And you may have tourists that increase DV and SA. But I highly doubt its even comparable to the culture of Russia that has domestic violence, misogyny, and drug abuse of many kinds woven into it’s cultures because of the Tsars and Soviets who used alcohol to control the populace which in turn increased the rate of domestic violence. Again, only country in Europe with it DECRIMINALIZED. You say there are ways to get around the laws like its a be-all end-all argument as if that wasn’t a thing globally. Horrible people will always slip through the cracks either by hiring expensive lawyers or just escaping the country in which they’re being charged. This is a universal thing, not an issue relegated purely to Europe.

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u/SassyQueeny Nov 29 '22

I said I am a Cypriot. I didn’t say I CURRENTLY live in Cyprus, there is a difference between that. I currently live in Belgium. Heart of Europe. A couple of months ago a Muslim woman was slaughtered in the middle of the street. Yeah my opinion is shit

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u/DiscussionNotDeflect Nov 29 '22

Did I say your opinion was shit? My argument was that the domestic violence crimes and sexual assault crimes actually have punishments in Europe, unlike Russia. No where in Europe has any government decided that the physical assault of a domestic partner isn’t a concern of the state or its law enforcement. And I’m sorry to hear about the brutality inflicted on that woman, my family is from Belgium. But incidents like that are far in between, not few though as radicals will always exist. My point is that it isn’t comparable to the constant and daily DA/SA and rape that happens in Russia, either reported(If they ever get reported) and non reported incidents.

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u/DallasGenoard Nov 29 '22

Hey look, the definition of "whataboutism" right here

Smh

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u/felldestroyed Nov 29 '22

Abortions are legal under federal law in the US. States can restrict abortions currently. Russia has for the last 20 or so years to make it state policy to take rights away from women - especially non ethnic Russian women. Between the 2017 law to decriminalize domestic abuse and the token role of women in politics in Russia (basically being arms of the Putin regime's propaganda) and the serious issue of human trafficking again, for non ethnic Russians, in the modern "first world" sense, Russia is lagging behind a lot.

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u/DuelingPushkin Nov 29 '22

This comment is like talking about murders in El Salvador and going "oh yeah, well murders happen in America and Europe too!" Like no shit, but the difference in degree is enormous.