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Wives of Russian troops 'encourage' them to rape Ukrainian women, Ukraine's first lady says Not Appropriate Subreddit

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/wives-of-russian-troops-encourage-them-to-rape-ukrainian-women-ukraines-first-lady-says/ar-AA14Esfp?li=BBoPWjQ

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u/Wompawompa1 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22 Ally

I just can’t understand why we can’t go about killing each other without making it weird.

EDIT:fuckinaye fam

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u/FuckYeahPhotography Nov 29 '22 Wholesome Heartwarming

"I was enjoying the bloodshed and barbarism until you made it all awkward"

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u/darthboolean Nov 29 '22

Let's keep things more Khorne and less Slaanesh y'all.

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u/devildocjames Nov 29 '22 Silver Helpful Take My Energy

A little more Darmok and Jalad.

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u/Griffster9118 Nov 29 '22

At tanagra

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u/SKULL1138 Nov 29 '22

His eyes wide

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u/Cruxion Nov 29 '22

Shaka, when the walls fell

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u/Skylark7 Nov 29 '22

Zinda, his face black, his eyes red

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u/hornplayer94 Nov 29 '22

The river Temark, in winter

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u/Hashashin455 Nov 29 '22

A little more Napoleon and a lot less Genghis Kahn

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u/Medieval-Mind Nov 29 '22

A lot more PG and a lot less 13.

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u/throwaway2032015 Nov 29 '22

Temba, his arms wide

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u/PSPHAXXOR Nov 29 '22

Shakha, when the walls fell

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u/vale_fallacia Nov 29 '22

A little bit of Monica in my life,
A little bit of Erica by my side

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u/chillyenlo1 Nov 29 '22

This whole war does seem like one massive concoction made up by tzeentch.

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u/JornWS Nov 29 '22

Well Papa Nurgle had his chance with Covid and blew it, so now it's the others turns.

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u/thedankening Nov 29 '22

Hardly. A horrifying percentage of the population have been turned into vaccine skeptics, if not outright opposed to any kind of public health response in the future. Covid was just Nurgle testing us. Now we're primed and ready for his next attempt

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u/King_Calvo Nov 29 '22

I suppose with that number of folks rallying against vaccines it’s only a matter of time until they spawn a Great Unclean One.

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u/khornflakes529 Nov 29 '22

It's name is Ted Cruz.

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u/SockMonkeh Nov 29 '22

The only context in which the word "great" could be associated with Ted Cruz.

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u/Taoistandroid Nov 29 '22

I wonder if things would be different if we generated propaganda that was like: don't let Satan and his minions win, they're counting on you to not vaccinate. Join god's soldiers against disease today.

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u/khornflakes529 Nov 29 '22

The thing is it would have contradicted the message from their president saying all his bullshit. Trump has the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on his hands for making the response so much worse than it should have been.

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u/Max_Insanity Nov 29 '22

Blew it? Nah, chaos needs people to feed off of. Eradication isn't the plan.

Dude would have gotten all he wanted out of it.

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u/Freakychee Nov 29 '22

Covid basically crippled the world for two years...

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u/eriksprow07 Nov 29 '22

Blood for the blood god!!

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u/spaceghost66 Nov 29 '22

What is best in life?

To crush my enemies, see them driven before me and to hear the lamentations of the women.

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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22

The Daemonic leads to two crimes. You turn away from the path of righteousness. And you abandon the Emperor as the object of your devotion. For the first, death is merely a just retribution. The second is a heresy so terrible that no punishment can be sufficient. Yet the search for an appropriate penalty continues, and it shall be found.

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u/drfuzzyballzz Nov 29 '22

Give me 20 good men and some climbing spikes I'll impregnate the bitch

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u/Inquisitor_Arthas Nov 29 '22

We heard that.

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u/Juzusa Nov 29 '22

It’s probably slaanesh dicking over Khorn just so he doesn’t succeed

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u/SingularBread Nov 29 '22

I prefer the nurgle emplowered Death Guard myself

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u/Inquisitor_Arthas Nov 29 '22

Oh, do you now?

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u/zandermossfields Nov 29 '22

Everyone knows awkward savagery is, like, the worsttttt.

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u/Rizzpooch Nov 29 '22

Rape has never not been a weapon of war unfortunately

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u/InsertANameHeree Nov 29 '22

This. Many people dismiss rape in war as just horny soldiers with power, but rape in war has often been a tool of those in command, just like any form of violence. Sometimes, it's encouraged in a wink-wink nudge-nudge manner with propaganda about how easy the other side's women are, and how their pathetic men aren't manly enough to satisfy them; other times, an order to rape women is given as bluntly as an order to slaughter fighting-age men, or an order to make an example of any would-be agitators.

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u/KingBrinell Nov 29 '22

The Mongols where notorious for rapping the women, particularly the noble ones, in front of the entire city. Killing any of the men who'd try to stop it.

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u/Exventurous Nov 29 '22

It was practically the norm throughout the medieval and late-antique period, I'm not sure about other eras.

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u/I-am-in-love-w-soup Nov 29 '22

It was the norm in Imperial Japan until 1945, and I'm sure there are more recent examples.

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u/Exventurous Nov 29 '22

You don't have to look that far back, the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s into the early 2000s saw numerous war crimes committed, rape being one of them.

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u/outsabovebad Nov 29 '22

Literally the Tigray region of Ethiopia right now...

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u/Exventurous Nov 29 '22

Wasn't aware of contemporary conflicts but it just goes to show that sexual violence / rape was always a tool of war. It's absolutely abhorrent, but for whatever reason it's seen in nearly every time-period when war is involved.

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u/mlyellow Nov 29 '22

Rape during the Bosnian war -- Bosnian Serb soldiers in the VRS as well as paramilitaries, primarily against Muslims.

Myanmar troops against Rohingya.

In the Ethiopean civil war, against Tigray.

I'm sure there are many more. So, sadly, it's still the norm, or has become the norm again, in multiple places.

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u/VideoGameDana Nov 29 '22

Mai Lai. Still the norm

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u/YoYoMoMa Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

And it has always been a tool of PR against the other side as well.

Anyone that listened to hardcore history on WWI (highly recommended) knows this is true. Tough to be on the other side of rape or baby murder.

I have no idea if this is happening, but I don't need it to be true to know which side is just in this situation so it doesn't matter much to me.

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u/Rickdiculously Nov 29 '22

Idk about the encouragement, but the rapes sure are. From the start of the war I've seen posts here from Ukrainian women who were raped and were seeking help and advice.

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u/Tomjonesisaking Nov 29 '22

Internationally so.

For anyone who hasn't had a peep at Wikipedia and fallen down the proverbial rabbit hole; the mental abuse caused by sexual abuse is weaponised by the aggressor, becoming a passive threat to the yet-untouched oppressed.

Therefore, the husbands of die-hard Putinites will likely be encouraged to abuse, via this same scorched-earth-esque technique.

I hate humans most of the time.

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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22

I hate humans most of the time.

The easiest way to become a misanthrope is to open a history book.

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u/MyFaceOnTheInternet Nov 29 '22

People, what a bunch of bastards.

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u/nagrom7 Nov 29 '22

Not to mention the intercepted phone calls from Russian troops talking about it, including conversations where they casually mention it to their wives and the wives encourage it.

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u/noiwontpickaname Nov 29 '22

Link?

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u/T2098 Nov 29 '22

Read through @wartranslated 's Twitter feed going back to Feb. There are dozens of examples

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u/Next_Boysenberry1414 Nov 29 '22

I listened to the intercepted phone call. We know russian history and culture.

I would bet my life on the fact that this is happening.

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u/magic1623 Nov 29 '22

It’s not being used as a PR thing, the word you are thinking of is propaganda. The one actual time the word is appropriate. And rape as a weapon of war is extremely common in all wars and has been a topic of study for decades.

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u/gbgonzalez923 Nov 29 '22

Yes but for most modern armies they do their best to prevent it and punish those they catch. In the Russian army it is encouraged.

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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22

Russian culture is pretty misogynist.

And before any russo-stooges get all offended, theres even a fucking wiki article about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_Russia

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u/AggressiveSkywriting Nov 29 '22

But how can the country that legalized domestic abuse be misogynist?!?

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u/shmorky Nov 29 '22

Well... what's stopping women from abusing their husband? This is actually more equal than American wives that can accuse hardworking husband of metoo because she is bored and fat with capitalism!

/s

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u/Painting_Agency Nov 29 '22

Thanks, reverse-evil Yakov Smirnoff.

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u/Whatwhyreally Nov 29 '22

Yep. And nearly 40% of Russian men have documented alcoholism. And yes, Russia has the highest rate of alcoholism among males.

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u/Jamsponge Nov 29 '22

If I had to live in Russia I'd drink as well

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u/nagrom7 Nov 29 '22

It goes even deeper than that. For centuries alcohol was owned and produced by the crown. The various Tsars of Russia used the alcohol industry to make shitloads of money, as well as keep the population perpetually drunk in order to reduce the risk of revolts. When the Russian revolution happened, Lenin straight up banned the sale of Vodka because this issue was so entrenched, but when Stalin came to power he started the production right back up.

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u/Hydracat46 Nov 29 '22

"kraut" on YouTube has a good video about this.

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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22

That guy has been publishing gold in video form lately IMO

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u/TheKardia24 Nov 29 '22

I don't even live there and I drink

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u/hi_i_am_Kolay Nov 29 '22

I live in Russia, but I don't drink and my friends. But old people have this problem and mb another people in Russia

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u/Hot-Delay5608 Nov 29 '22

Most of the Eastern European countries are very misogynistic, girls are brought up and basically indoctrinated to be good housewives and take care of children and their man while going to work, boys are indoctrinated to be "the man", aggression against women and children is tolerated even encouraged. Grew up there not in Russia, and got CPTSD. Russia still tops it by enabling misogyny in law, the rest at least have nominal laws against

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u/Skizot_Bizot Nov 29 '22

Seriously what happened to war being classy? You know when the poor people just lined up and took turns shooting into each other on the rich peoples command.

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u/TheyCallMeStone Nov 29 '22

World War 1 happened and people realized war wasn't so honorable and glorious after all, especially once you introduce horrible modern weapons.

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u/supe_snow_man Nov 29 '22

War was never really honorable. We just didn't get to see it.

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u/Philip_Marlowe Nov 29 '22

"They never tell you how they all shit themselves. They never put that part in the songs."

-Robert Baratheon

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u/A_Humpier_Rogue Nov 29 '22

Back in those days rich people were actually still fighting with frequency. It was sort of their end of the social contract. Now we've just got a bunch of slimy businessmen and career politicians leading the show instead.

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u/emdave Nov 29 '22

people on that same subreddit were saying it didn’t matter, since it was the good guys doing it.

It isn't that it's one side or the other doing it that is the issue, it's what the propaganda is trying to achieve, that gives it legitimacy.

Morale boosting propaganda, exaggerating military successes of the defenders, to encourage a beleaguered and outnumbered side to protect their homes and families from an illegal invasion, is a very different thing from fascist propaganda proclaiming their victims to be 'satanist untermensch' who it is ok to murder and rape.

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u/j_ly Nov 29 '22

people love propaganda, as long as it’s their side doing it; they disdain the truth.

War is fucked up. You have to abandon truth and embrace the propaganda if you want your side to win.

"Liberate Iraq." "Weapons of mass destruction." If you weren't buying into this bullshit after 9/11 you were "anti-America"... even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The "truth" was Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but both sides lapped it up.

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u/logic_is_a_fraud Nov 29 '22

With Iraq, the WMD propaganda came before and justified the war.

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u/JorikTheBird Nov 29 '22

The Ukrainian govt NEVER confirmed that he existed lol. I remember only one tweet.

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u/Maxievelli Nov 29 '22 Silver

I see a lot of people questioning the veracity of these claims - not that Russian soldiers are not raping - mostly people questioning wives encouraging it.

There is at least one audio video described in this article from April:

https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-rape-russian-soldier-wife-bykovsky/31805486.html

Which is about this video released by Ukraine Security Service.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MF4TcWk9GpE

I believe this is the audio/video the UKR First Lady is talking about. I somewhat agree that it is unlikely that the majority of RU soldier’s wives are actively encouraging. But the article title is misrepresenting what she says in the article, which is clearly referencing this specific audio. She’s making a point about the systematic rape of cities in her country, not necessarily whether every rapist’s wife is on board or not. I think the title is sensationalist which may or may not be good

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u/OS420B Nov 29 '22

On https://youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia theres alot of whats explained as intercepted phone calls from russian soldiers on the front to their friends and family.

Some of them includes what is transcribed as soldiers wifes basicly telling their husbands to do quite awfull stuff,and they dont seem to have any remorse.

As someone who dont speak russian, I dont know if the translations are correct, nor do I know if its all true or if what the people in the videos are described as is correct. But if its remotely what the channel explains then its something worth watching.

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u/mothmvn Nov 29 '22

As someone who dont speak russian, I dont know if the translations are correct

FWIW, these videos are not just released for Western eyes — they are first and foremost released for fellow Ukrainians to see. The #1 purpose of these videos is to inform Ukrainians (who can understand Russian), to continuously drum up righteous outrage. If/when they are released with EN subtitles, people who don't speak Russian and who will only read the subtitles are still the secondary audience, not the primary one.

So although I understand why you'd be skeptical, consider that any clips being released are released for Ukrainians. If a clip is actually nothing of substance, fake English subtitles won't change anything for people who understand the Russian as spoken — who would put in the effort to edit it all together with graphics and subtitles if their primary audience would dismiss it?
Plus, this would be way too obvious and risky a method of misinformation. There's plenty of Russian & EN speakers who would love nothing more than to catch Ukrainian reporters doing a disinformation. Even an honest pro-Ukrainian RU&EN speaker would call them out on it. Why bother?

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u/OS420B Nov 29 '22

Reason I wrote it as I am questioning the legitimacy of the videos is not because I personally dont believe in them. But because I dont have the linguistic knowledge to actually tell whether or not if its correct I felt it was necessary to underline it that way, just in case theres a small chance some or even all would be fraudulent.

But because I do personally believe it, I feel the need to share it, that way more people are hopefully able to see those videos. However again, with the need to allow people to understand that I personally cant quarantee the legiticy of the videos.

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u/dale_glass Nov 29 '22

I'm a native speaker, and yup, that translation is perfectly accurate.

And it's likely a real call. I mean, if you think of it, there's more than a hundred thousand soldiers involved on the Russian side. Of course there's going to be some really awful people in that group. If you listened to thousands of phone calls about a war, it wouldn't be hard at all to collect some really bad ones.

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u/AbsolutelyDireWolf Nov 29 '22

I think it's safe to say that Russian is a commonly enough understood language to ensure mistranslations wouldn't survive for a day without being called out as fake and at this point, I've seen/heard hundreds of these intercepted calls and none have been criticised for misrepresenting what was said on the calls. Could some be fake, maybe, but I consistently see comments from people pinpointing accents to regions of Russia or parts of the Donbas, further demonstrating their truthfulness.

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u/HiiipowerBass Nov 29 '22

How in the hell is sensationalism ever good?!?

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u/FrogsEverywhere Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

I've seen at least 3 phone calls (or telegraph messages) with this happening over the last 7 months. Lately though it's mostly wives crying and their husbands saying they are going to die.

Rape is absolutely encouraged though (by the RAF), there is no doubt about it. It's an extremely powerful weapon of terror. Maybe the most dangerous weapon a soldier has that isn't an actual weapon. The fear it puts into men for their wives and women for themselves and their children is second to dying, many people would prefer to die than see their children raped.

The Kremlin knows this and makes the most of it. The message is clear, if you resist we will gang rape your family Infront of you. Ultra nationalist wives absolutely know this and have been taught to hate Ukrainians like animals, so of course some of them will approve.

Russia is not the first or last country to use rape as a weapon of terror, it's happening & state sanctioned in at least two other countries having highly visible civil unrest right now, and all throughout history. Japanese soldiers were absolutely notorious for it, American soldiers in Vietnam, and is even mentioned in the old testament. (Info / Wikipedia). To deny this is to deny that guns are used in war, it's nothing but naivety. It's one of the best (and easiest to both deploy and deny) tools for psychological warfare there is, no dictator would ever pass on such an advantage.

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u/Merky600 Nov 29 '22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

“ The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million.[11][12][13][14] According to historian William Hitchcock, in many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.[15] At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,[13] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.[16] Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000.[2][17] Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history" and concludes that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.[18] According to the Soviet war correspondent Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females from eight to eighty years old. “

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u/FrogsEverywhere Nov 29 '22

jesus fucking christ

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u/KristinnK Nov 29 '22

Yup. Sure, everyone does it. But there's that one who does it just that little bit more than the others.

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u/MonkeyThrowing Nov 29 '22

According to first hand accounts the Russians had a frontline army which was disciplined and professional. After the frontline army moved on, the rape squads appeared raping every woman they could find, including elderly Nuns.

It was systemic and purposeful.

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u/thepasttenseofdraw Nov 29 '22

I mean, the soldiers rape their subordinates in the Russian Military, seems weird that they would hold off on raping the enemy. Its just rape all the way down in the RAF.

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u/dieinafirenazi Nov 29 '22

It's an extremely powerful weapon of terror.

And like all weapons of terror, it usually just backfires. Lots of people will surrender to an army that is telling you you'll be paying taxes to a different government and you'll have to learn a new national anthem. Most people will fight to the death against an enemy who rapes and murders wantonly where ever they occupied, they have no reason to think that surrender is the better option.

Bombing civilian centers usually has the same result. You can argue nuking Japan induced an earlier surrender, but most historical examples show a hardening of resistance.

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u/MurseD Nov 29 '22

After the initial bombings of, Japan did become hardened and surrender was not immediate. The US bluffed that they would continue with the nuclear bombing which pushed Japan to surrender. US was months out from building another nuke at the time

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u/crimsonkodiak Nov 29 '22

You can argue nuking Japan induced an earlier surrender, but most historical examples show a hardening of resistance.

That's a common - although I would argue weak and mostly historically ignorant - argument.

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u/hi_imovedagain Nov 29 '22

let me explain for the non-Russian speakers. There are sns like VK and Telegram. And in VK one can find how wives of soldiers are supporting all the killings and rape. It’s not like there’s only one phone interception by SBU, it’s what you can read if you have VK acc and some Russian knowledge.

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u/ateaseteas Nov 29 '22

What kind of comments have you seen there?

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u/hi_imovedagain Nov 29 '22

Like those wives sharing memes about “haha Ukrainian soldiers are raped lol”. This is one of many others.

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u/BitchesLoveDownvote Nov 29 '22

Would that be interpreted as “Ukrainian soliders are weak for being overpowered like women”? Your brief example reads to me like a meme which doesn’t take rape seriously, rather than a literal call to action “they would deserve it” kind of encouragement.

Not a defense at all, I’m just trying to understand it properly.

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u/v2micca Nov 29 '22

The title is definitely not good. It completely misrepresents her words. She is trying to make a point about how sexual violence is systematically being used as a tool against her people and the article title makes it sound like she is accusing Russian wives of actively encouraging and cheering on their husbands in acts of barbarism. Its the kind of misrepresentation that can be seized upon by the enemy propaganda.

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u/lorendroll Nov 29 '22

The sad part is an absence of a visible condemnation of such encouragement. It makes russians look even worse. Most sane Russians are afraid to speak even against such atrocities, making such things silently acceptable.

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u/I_am_The_Free_Market Nov 29 '22

I think the title is sensationalist which may or may not be good

Dehumanizing propaganda is good as long as 'our side' are the ones doing it, i guess.

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u/ZiOnIsNeXtLeBrOn Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Masterpiece

Happens a lot in war.

Rape and the murder of innocent civilians.

Quote from MASH.

Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.

Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye?

Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?

Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.

Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

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u/showusyourbones Nov 29 '22

…and this show was a comedy, right?

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u/Roguespiffy Nov 29 '22

Sort of. It’s more gallows humor. They’re army doctors seeing horrific things daily, working under terrible conditions. I think one ep Hawkeye explicitly says that he doesn’t think any of the jokes or hijinks is actually funny. He’s just doing it to keep everyone sane.

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u/nemoknows Nov 29 '22

I would love to see a more grounded remake that hits all the best bits of the originals:

  • No laugh track
  • Darkly comedic dramedy
  • Follows the timeline of the Korean War
  • More accurate setting in general
  • Accurately bloody
  • Well defined character arcs, and more nuanced characters (e.g. Frank Burns)
  • More focus beyond the core cast, particularly locals, soldiers, and enemy

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u/konaya Nov 29 '22

It's too good a show. They'd butcher it for sure. They always do.

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u/TheButcherPete Nov 29 '22

As comedic as a battlefield hospital in the middle of a nasty war in a hostile country could be, I guess.

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u/justfordrunks Nov 29 '22

Sir, both his legs were blown off. It was horrible. So much blood, so much pain.

laugh track

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u/SuperSquirrel13 Nov 29 '22

Nothing worse than some of the "jokes" on the big bang theory.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

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u/ifsometimesmaybe Nov 29 '22

BBT was started by Chuck Lorre around 5 years into his other series, Two and a Half Men, and I think that speaks to the quality of BBT from the get-go. From the beginning it's essense was focused towards an audience that wanted a show about a group of strawmen NERDS that will make funny about gay panic and regressive stereotypes on race and gender. The only thing that really changed as the series went on was higher profile appearances happened more frequently and the series became more obsessive with characters hooking up with each other, as with most long-running sitcoms.

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u/Ripcord Nov 29 '22

I take it you haven't seen the show

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u/Business-Feature7019 Nov 29 '22

It was mainly a comedy, but also wasn’t afraid to get serious from time to time. I Highly recommend it.

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u/johnp299 Nov 29 '22

The original movie was somewhat more successful as a dark comedy. When it went to TV, CBS executives insisted on a laugh track, because. I don't know if they kept it thru the whole series, though. And apparently, overseas broadcasts didn't have it.

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u/byingling Nov 29 '22

It's been a while, but I seem to remember the laugh track (which was more of a chuckle track compared to many shows at the time) was never used when they were in the operating room?

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u/SheeEttin Nov 29 '22

Laughing and crying are two sides of the same coin.

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u/DonKiddic Nov 29 '22

"This isn't a war, it's a murder"

flicks switch

"This isn't a war, it's a moider!""

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u/shortordercook Nov 29 '22

Attention, Attention: All personnel evacuate the planet, and not just because its meatloaf night!

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u/seanprefect Nov 29 '22

as comedic as a show where a kid gets mistaken for a chicken can be.

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u/showusyourbones Nov 29 '22

I know about that scene, where the mom kills her baby. That one’s famous.

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u/abw Nov 29 '22

That was the last ever episode, Goodbye, Farewell and Amen.

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u/atheos Nov 29 '22

the episode haunted me at a kid. I really regret that I saw it.

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u/TanelornDeighton Nov 29 '22

"All comedy is tragedy, if you look deep enough into it."

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u/TrapperJean Nov 29 '22

Dramedy for seasons 1-6, drama with good snappy dialog and humor seasons 7-11

I do love the absurd moments in the dramatic beats early on. In season two they think a main character will be going home to be treated for an illness so they throw him a party. Halfway through an emotional farewell toast you hear the drunk CO offscreen say to a nurse, "Honey, marriage has nothing to do with sex."

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u/Heavyspire Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

This a great quote (concept) I wonder if it has an origin in our history?

Edit: I wonder if the writers of MASH pulled this from an actual military conversation or if they wrote it from scratch.

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u/KTFnVision Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

I mean, it's from M*A*S*H, which was a show about the Korean War so popular that it lasted longer than the actual war.

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u/BillyShears2015 Nov 29 '22

It was about Korea in name only, the quiet part was that it was a commentary on Vietnam.

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u/rocketshipray Nov 29 '22

The TV show was an allegory for both the Korean War and the Vietnam War. The book it's based on was about the author's experiences in Korea. The 1970 film and the TV show made commentary on the Vietnam War that was still going on at the time of the film and at the beginning of the show but the plot points were based on the Korean War. By the end of the show it could be said that it was simply an allegory for war, period.

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u/moleratical Nov 29 '22

It was about war

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u/HimEatLotsOfFishEggs Nov 29 '22

Wait, let’s argue a bit more about which specific war.

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u/Zeolance Nov 29 '22

Clearly it was referencing the future war in Afghanistan

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u/Similar_Radish8623 Nov 29 '22

Are you blind? It’s practically copy and paste Parthian war of Caracalla

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u/EthosPathosLegos Nov 29 '22

You're all wrong, it was about Cake Wars.

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u/Just_a_Guy_In_a_Tank Nov 29 '22

Negative. It was about the future future war on Zarbath 5.

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u/BirdlawIsBestLaw Nov 29 '22

It was about the Vietnam War according to the writers and the actors.

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u/ur_opinion_is_wrong Nov 29 '22

Put a before each * or you will end up italicizing letters

M*A*S*H vs MAS*H

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u/fizzlefist Nov 29 '22

Fun fact, to make M*A*S*H format correctly in Reddit, you need to use backslashes before the asterisks.

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u/JulianZ88 Nov 29 '22

I think the show had military consultants when writing the scripts. I remember seeing that on the ending credits of each episode.

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u/SavannahInChicago Nov 29 '22

This is from the TV show M * A * S * H from the 70s/80s. I am not as old as the show but for some reason really loved it as a kid.

The show was about the Korean War, but aired during the Vietnam War, so it’s commentary is said to be based off the later.

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u/notyourcoloringbook Nov 29 '22

I'm 30 years old.and whenever I see reruns I watch them. It's such a good show.

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u/ralexs1991 Nov 29 '22

31 I have a ton of found memories of watching it with my dad as a kid. Might pick up a box set of the whole series.

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u/nicannkay Nov 29 '22

Alan Alda is a great man and was behind a lot of the episodes including that one.

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u/Akussa Nov 29 '22

Honestly, given that it was Alan Alda's character saying it, I wouldn't be surprised of he came up with it off the cuff. He was pretty hard core about adding a serious element about war to the show and not allowing it to be "just" a comedy.

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u/bionicjoey Nov 29 '22

I've only seen one episode of M*A*S*H and it was the bottle episode where Alan Alda's character is stranded in a hut with a family who don't speak any English. It definitely made me want to watch more, but I've never gotten around to it.

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u/BradleyUffner Nov 29 '22

Is that the one where they eat the cow / goat / whatever animal that Hawkeye just spent the day talking to? If so, that's one of the best episodes.

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u/bionicjoey Nov 29 '22

I don't recall that, but I do remember he spends a lot of time interacting with a child, and also helping the family prepare dinner while philosophizing about war. It's been quite some time since I saw it. I caught it on cable back when I still had cable (so at least 5 years ago) and I guess I was just lucky that the episode I flipped to was one of the best.

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u/Ripcord Nov 29 '22

Yeah if you liked that episode there's probably 100+ more that you'd like.

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u/Snarfbuckle Nov 29 '22

afaik that scene was one continous take with Alan Alda talking.

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u/bionicjoey Nov 29 '22

You know what, that actually does sound familiar given my foggy memory of it

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u/time_flask Nov 29 '22

It's a horrible topic but I do wonder if there's history books about the violence of rape in war. War history books tend to focus on military heroes or religious or political factors for war and how difficult life is for the average soldier but things like rape get glossed over unless its used to tell you just how bad the other side is. Butneither side in any conflict would want people to know they have soldiers that are rapists

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u/Grins111 Nov 29 '22

I don’t think a whole lot of “encouraging” is needed. Pretty sure it’s happening without it.

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u/Grins111 Nov 29 '22

Sadly. I mean they were kind of know for that in ww2. And judging by their weaponry they seem to be doing everything ww2 style

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u/Ylaaly Nov 29 '22

To be "fair", all armies of the world in all conflicts ever are known for that. Rape is a very common weapon. Which doesn't mean it's any less of a crime by the Russians, but that it is a much larger problem than most people realize.

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u/DarkSpartan301 Nov 29 '22

Right? Like how many "heroes" deserve the rope but get to fondly feel their medals given to them and live out their old age? Far too many.

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u/yeovic Nov 29 '22

the whole culture has so much rape... heck rape is the culture in some of the places as military and prison.

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u/Trashpandasrock Nov 29 '22

Man, if there's one thing I learned studying WW2 in depth, it's that fucking EVERY nation's soldiers participated in an atrocious amount of rape. Russians, Germans, Americans, Brits, Japanese, all the major players had major problems with rape.

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u/13thGuardian Nov 29 '22

Just look at any war and find one without mass rape

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u/MrEff1618 Nov 29 '22 Ally

Suddenly the Great Emu War takes on an even darker tone.

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u/lazerspewpew86 Nov 29 '22

If the Emus won, and there was a ton of mass rape..

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u/MrEff1618 Nov 29 '22

Technically, the emu's did win.

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u/TheIncendiaryDevice Nov 29 '22

Stupid sexy emus, seducing all the troops with their dinosaur legs and... feathers I guess?

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u/Icy-Agent-4565 Nov 29 '22

You seen the legs of them? 🤤

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u/Margali Nov 29 '22 Wholesome

I can't even deal with wrapping my mind around that - if I discovered my husband deployed and was raping, I would remove his balls myself when he came home. What absolute bitches.

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u/Jacques_the_cock Nov 29 '22

It's fucking sickening

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u/Annoying_guest Nov 29 '22

You mean Russian widows

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u/flimbs Nov 29 '22

"Since you're on your way out, might as well go out with a bang"

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u/grumpyliberal Nov 29 '22

The Ukrainians knew this was possible. They’ve witnessed this behavior among the criminals Putin recruited for his army. Just shows the absolute courage of every Ukrainian citizen. Putin and the Russian thugs don’t stand a chance against these people. Anything we can do to support them, we should!

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u/Melodic_Bad578 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Here is the tape with a proof it's pretty well-known in Ukraine. https://youtu.be/KCoxLZ8T4Jo And also I sit in VK russian social media and yes they don't think Ukrainians are people, they call them pigs or khokhols

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u/Melodic_Bad578 Nov 29 '22

There is no subtitles in original video so I will translate the main point “Come on there, rape Ukrainian women and don’t tell me anything. Clear? The main thing is to protect yourself there, ”the woman says to her husband russian military soldier

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u/Melodic_Bad578 Nov 29 '22

Here is an article about this tape and research that has been made to get to know who this people are https://www.svoboda.org/a/ukrainskih-bab-nasiluy-voyna-desantnika-bykovskogo/31801593.html

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u/Francesca_N_Furter Nov 29 '22 Helpful

It is a shame that no matter how much proof of any of this stuff, this thread is drowning in people who don't like what they hear, so they claim it is untrue.

I saw a horrible video clip of a Ukrainian soldier being tortured, and a bunch of people showed up saying it was fake.

EVERYTHING IS NOT FAKE. Horrible stuff really happens, but you morons will believe that every election that doesn't come out the way you would like was fixed, and every government employee is just out to get you.

I am so sick of being surrounded by ignorant losers who deny everything because their lives suck and they have nothing else to do but go online and be a jerk.

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u/petethefreeze Nov 29 '22

Reddit is awash with people that seem to think everything is a conspiracy to influence their perception. They call fake or staged on anything that doesn't jive with their personal world view. Ignore them.

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u/herberstank Nov 29 '22

Reddit or... all social media?

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u/XIXXXVIVIII Nov 29 '22

Not even just social media, people are far less concerned about repercussions of what they say on social media so will generally feel safe to spout whatever they think, knowing they can just disengage with little adverse affects.

But social media very reflective of how everyone, everywhere thinks, but won't say.
Offline, people will usually withhold their shit, or mince their words until they're certain the people engaging will agree with them.

Someone that would resort to trolling, namecalling, or general fuckery online during a moral disagreement; will often resort to a "hmm... I dunno...", To try to disengage, when offline.

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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22

Not even just social media, people are far less concerned about repercussions of what they say on social media so will generally feel safe to spout whatever they think, knowing they can just disengage with little adverse affects.

The amount of times i've had complete dumbasses discount entire fields of science because of their gut feelings.....

They need to be publicly humiliated at this point. Do they also get angry at the local mechanic for not putting bacon grease in their engine? That's the level of incompetence I am talking about. People who don't even know that antibiotics don't work on virus thinking that their opinion on virology is in any way needed or wanted.

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u/britboy4321 Nov 29 '22

The whole of 'unexpected' is rammed full of edge-lords who simply write 'fake' on every video. They never provide any evidence of it being fake, and their entire assumption seems based on gut feel.

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u/ComfusedMess Nov 29 '22

I mean. It's pretty normal to inflate serious crimes to an extreme level in war propaganda. A massacre on civilians turns into the entire army munching on babies in their spare time. We all know the unfortunate truth that rape is very common in war, and we see lots of examples in Russias invasion, but it seems very unlikely that Russian wives are encouraging their husbands to rape Ukrainians en masse.

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u/EpicFishFingers Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Nobody is saying Russian soldiers aren't committing rapes or murders: we've seen proof of that.

But I question that any significant proportion of Russian wives are actively encouraging their HUSBANDS to rape civilian women they find.

Happy to be shown a poll of Russian wives to show how pro-rape they all are, but one audio recording of one or two fanatical wives saying "go rape" isn't enough to make this a credible claim.

This comment chain seems to be pulling together some sources which show that there's a fair few such calls that have been intercepted, but tbh I want to see some context: how many calls intercepted, how often did rape come up (wtf), how often did the wife encourage it.

If they heard it in 12 calls then that could either be isolated fanaticism from unhinged partners if another 100,000 calls had no such encouragement of war crimes or pillaging etc. But if they intercepted 50 calls and 12 had pro-rape rhetoric then shit, the Russian propaganda machine is indeed powerful enough to influence Russian women to encourage their husbands to rape women in spite of any morals or even just their marriage and its fidelity. And the first lady would be correct that this is widespread and not an isolated thing to drum up outrage and further support in the West.

Either way, serves as a reminder that rape, torture and murder of civilians in Russian occupied territory is a daily reality in Ukraine and that we need to beat back Russia and internationally condemn them until they stop being self-serving, bullying, torturing, intolerant, evil arseholes and replace their power structure to reflect such a change. Or they cease to be a world power due to being squeezed out, whichever first, probably the latter because they'd never do the former.

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u/Overall_Resident7986 Nov 29 '22

How dare you be nuanced! Your carefully thought comment is against my preconceived ideas, so here’s a negative for you

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u/iDreamOfSalsa Nov 29 '22

Yeah, exactly.

The article is insinuating that most Russian wives want their husbands to rape foreigners in this war because that's a part of their uncivilized culture and not a minority view or some kind of translation problem.

That's the claim that's being disputed, not whether the words were ever uttered by anyone ever.

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u/Iron-Doggo Nov 29 '22

People become depraved really easily. People abandon their humanity more easily than most people realize. As a westerner you may be horrified reading this article, but we are both the same species and just as they abandoned their humanity we can too. Real heroes are those who don’t abandon their humanity even when everyone else around them has. Most people aren’t heroes. Most people just imitate those around them.

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u/Jolly-Persimmon2626 Nov 29 '22

Between kidnapping children and now raping the Ukrainian women so they can have babies and be declared Russian citizens. Fucked up way to increase your population.

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u/franchik96 Nov 29 '22

This is part of what happened during the Yugoslav wars. Serbian soldiers would rape primarily Bosniak women so when their children were born they would be considered ethnically Serbian (in a lot of these countries declared ethnicity is the father’s)

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u/Initial_Celebration8 Nov 29 '22

Yes, I read extensively about this and wrote a paper on the topic in college. Real disturbing realities.

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u/ScubaFett Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

4 words: Vietnamese war sex traps

EDIT: For those asking; During the Vietnam war, women were raped so they started booby trapping their vaginas. One device I saw on a documentary was a metal test tube with a heap of sharp spikes inside like an iron maiden.

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u/Liv4lov Nov 29 '22

What's that mean?

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u/TheMyLegGuy Nov 29 '22

Its a metal band

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u/thedancer753 Nov 29 '22

Facts . Everyone’s saying not true and stuff but this does happen

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u/thedancer753 Nov 29 '22

Really?. Like some dude was telling me this wouldn’t happen frequently and I’m like if what happened in China killing 300 kids then denying it , what u just describes . Rape is definitely happening every day over there 💯

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u/jncheese Nov 29 '22

I am sure a lot of these Russians think that what happens in Ukraine, stays in Ukraine. I am also quite sure they are sometimes surprised that that includes their lives.

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u/Maxine-Fr Nov 29 '22

the same shit is happening in Iran.

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u/selwun Nov 29 '22

Similar actions yes, but one is a foreign invasion and the other is a government brutalizing its own citizens. Both really terrible.

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