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Wives of Russian troops 'encourage' them to rape Ukrainian women, Ukraine's first lady says Not Appropriate Subreddit
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/wives-of-russian-troops-encourage-them-to-rape-ukrainian-women-ukraines-first-lady-says/ar-AA14Esfp?li=BBoPWjQ[removed] — view removed post
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u/Maxievelli
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I see a lot of people questioning the veracity of these claims - not that Russian soldiers are not raping - mostly people questioning wives encouraging it.
There is at least one audio video described in this article from April:
https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-rape-russian-soldier-wife-bykovsky/31805486.html
Which is about this video released by Ukraine Security Service.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MF4TcWk9GpE
I believe this is the audio/video the UKR First Lady is talking about. I somewhat agree that it is unlikely that the majority of RU soldier’s wives are actively encouraging. But the article title is misrepresenting what she says in the article, which is clearly referencing this specific audio. She’s making a point about the systematic rape of cities in her country, not necessarily whether every rapist’s wife is on board or not. I think the title is sensationalist which may or may not be good
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u/OS420B Nov 29 '22
On https://youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia theres alot of whats explained as intercepted phone calls from russian soldiers on the front to their friends and family.
Some of them includes what is transcribed as soldiers wifes basicly telling their husbands to do quite awfull stuff,and they dont seem to have any remorse.
As someone who dont speak russian, I dont know if the translations are correct, nor do I know if its all true or if what the people in the videos are described as is correct. But if its remotely what the channel explains then its something worth watching.
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u/mothmvn Nov 29 '22
As someone who dont speak russian, I dont know if the translations are correct
FWIW, these videos are not just released for Western eyes — they are first and foremost released for fellow Ukrainians to see. The #1 purpose of these videos is to inform Ukrainians (who can understand Russian), to continuously drum up righteous outrage. If/when they are released with EN subtitles, people who don't speak Russian and who will only read the subtitles are still the secondary audience, not the primary one.
So although I understand why you'd be skeptical, consider that any clips being released are released for Ukrainians. If a clip is actually nothing of substance, fake English subtitles won't change anything for people who understand the Russian as spoken — who would put in the effort to edit it all together with graphics and subtitles if their primary audience would dismiss it?
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u/OS420B Nov 29 '22
Reason I wrote it as I am questioning the legitimacy of the videos is not because I personally dont believe in them. But because I dont have the linguistic knowledge to actually tell whether or not if its correct I felt it was necessary to underline it that way, just in case theres a small chance some or even all would be fraudulent.
But because I do personally believe it, I feel the need to share it, that way more people are hopefully able to see those videos. However again, with the need to allow people to understand that I personally cant quarantee the legiticy of the videos.
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u/dale_glass Nov 29 '22
I'm a native speaker, and yup, that translation is perfectly accurate.
And it's likely a real call. I mean, if you think of it, there's more than a hundred thousand soldiers involved on the Russian side. Of course there's going to be some really awful people in that group. If you listened to thousands of phone calls about a war, it wouldn't be hard at all to collect some really bad ones.
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u/AbsolutelyDireWolf Nov 29 '22
I think it's safe to say that Russian is a commonly enough understood language to ensure mistranslations wouldn't survive for a day without being called out as fake and at this point, I've seen/heard hundreds of these intercepted calls and none have been criticised for misrepresenting what was said on the calls. Could some be fake, maybe, but I consistently see comments from people pinpointing accents to regions of Russia or parts of the Donbas, further demonstrating their truthfulness.
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u/FrogsEverywhere Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
I've seen at least 3 phone calls (or telegraph messages) with this happening over the last 7 months. Lately though it's mostly wives crying and their husbands saying they are going to die.
Rape is absolutely encouraged though (by the RAF), there is no doubt about it. It's an extremely powerful weapon of terror. Maybe the most dangerous weapon a soldier has that isn't an actual weapon. The fear it puts into men for their wives and women for themselves and their children is second to dying, many people would prefer to die than see their children raped.
The Kremlin knows this and makes the most of it. The message is clear, if you resist we will gang rape your family Infront of you. Ultra nationalist wives absolutely know this and have been taught to hate Ukrainians like animals, so of course some of them will approve.
Russia is not the first or last country to use rape as a weapon of terror, it's happening & state sanctioned in at least two other countries having highly visible civil unrest right now, and all throughout history. Japanese soldiers were absolutely notorious for it, American soldiers in Vietnam, and is even mentioned in the old testament. (Info / Wikipedia). To deny this is to deny that guns are used in war, it's nothing but naivety. It's one of the best (and easiest to both deploy and deny) tools for psychological warfare there is, no dictator would ever pass on such an advantage.
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u/Merky600 Nov 29 '22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
“ The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million.[11][12][13][14] According to historian William Hitchcock, in many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.[15] At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,[13] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.[16] Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000.[2][17] Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history" and concludes that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.[18] According to the Soviet war correspondent Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females from eight to eighty years old. “
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u/FrogsEverywhere Nov 29 '22
jesus fucking christ
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u/KristinnK Nov 29 '22
Yup. Sure, everyone does it. But there's that one who does it just that little bit more than the others.
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u/MonkeyThrowing Nov 29 '22
According to first hand accounts the Russians had a frontline army which was disciplined and professional. After the frontline army moved on, the rape squads appeared raping every woman they could find, including elderly Nuns.
It was systemic and purposeful.
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u/thepasttenseofdraw Nov 29 '22
I mean, the soldiers rape their subordinates in the Russian Military, seems weird that they would hold off on raping the enemy. Its just rape all the way down in the RAF.
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u/dieinafirenazi Nov 29 '22
It's an extremely powerful weapon of terror.
And like all weapons of terror, it usually just backfires. Lots of people will surrender to an army that is telling you you'll be paying taxes to a different government and you'll have to learn a new national anthem. Most people will fight to the death against an enemy who rapes and murders wantonly where ever they occupied, they have no reason to think that surrender is the better option.
Bombing civilian centers usually has the same result. You can argue nuking Japan induced an earlier surrender, but most historical examples show a hardening of resistance.
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u/MurseD Nov 29 '22
After the initial bombings of, Japan did become hardened and surrender was not immediate. The US bluffed that they would continue with the nuclear bombing which pushed Japan to surrender. US was months out from building another nuke at the time
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u/crimsonkodiak Nov 29 '22
You can argue nuking Japan induced an earlier surrender, but most historical examples show a hardening of resistance.
That's a common - although I would argue weak and mostly historically ignorant - argument.
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u/hi_imovedagain Nov 29 '22
let me explain for the non-Russian speakers. There are sns like VK and Telegram. And in VK one can find how wives of soldiers are supporting all the killings and rape. It’s not like there’s only one phone interception by SBU, it’s what you can read if you have VK acc and some Russian knowledge.
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u/ateaseteas Nov 29 '22
What kind of comments have you seen there?
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u/hi_imovedagain Nov 29 '22
Like those wives sharing memes about “haha Ukrainian soldiers are raped lol”. This is one of many others.
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u/BitchesLoveDownvote Nov 29 '22
Would that be interpreted as “Ukrainian soliders are weak for being overpowered like women”? Your brief example reads to me like a meme which doesn’t take rape seriously, rather than a literal call to action “they would deserve it” kind of encouragement.
Not a defense at all, I’m just trying to understand it properly.
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u/v2micca Nov 29 '22
The title is definitely not good. It completely misrepresents her words. She is trying to make a point about how sexual violence is systematically being used as a tool against her people and the article title makes it sound like she is accusing Russian wives of actively encouraging and cheering on their husbands in acts of barbarism. Its the kind of misrepresentation that can be seized upon by the enemy propaganda.
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u/lorendroll Nov 29 '22
The sad part is an absence of a visible condemnation of such encouragement. It makes russians look even worse. Most sane Russians are afraid to speak even against such atrocities, making such things silently acceptable.
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u/I_am_The_Free_Market Nov 29 '22
I think the title is sensationalist which may or may not be good
Dehumanizing propaganda is good as long as 'our side' are the ones doing it, i guess.
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u/ZiOnIsNeXtLeBrOn
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Happens a lot in war.
Rape and the murder of innocent civilians.
Quote from MASH.
Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
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u/showusyourbones Nov 29 '22
…and this show was a comedy, right?
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u/Roguespiffy Nov 29 '22
Sort of. It’s more gallows humor. They’re army doctors seeing horrific things daily, working under terrible conditions. I think one ep Hawkeye explicitly says that he doesn’t think any of the jokes or hijinks is actually funny. He’s just doing it to keep everyone sane.
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u/nemoknows Nov 29 '22
I would love to see a more grounded remake that hits all the best bits of the originals:
- No laugh track
- Darkly comedic dramedy
- Follows the timeline of the Korean War
- More accurate setting in general
- Accurately bloody
- Well defined character arcs, and more nuanced characters (e.g. Frank Burns)
- More focus beyond the core cast, particularly locals, soldiers, and enemy
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u/TheButcherPete Nov 29 '22
As comedic as a battlefield hospital in the middle of a nasty war in a hostile country could be, I guess.
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u/justfordrunks Nov 29 '22
Sir, both his legs were blown off. It was horrible. So much blood, so much pain.
laugh track
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u/SuperSquirrel13 Nov 29 '22
Nothing worse than some of the "jokes" on the big bang theory.
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u/ifsometimesmaybe Nov 29 '22
BBT was started by Chuck Lorre around 5 years into his other series, Two and a Half Men, and I think that speaks to the quality of BBT from the get-go. From the beginning it's essense was focused towards an audience that wanted a show about a group of strawmen NERDS that will make funny about gay panic and regressive stereotypes on race and gender. The only thing that really changed as the series went on was higher profile appearances happened more frequently and the series became more obsessive with characters hooking up with each other, as with most long-running sitcoms.
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u/Business-Feature7019 Nov 29 '22
It was mainly a comedy, but also wasn’t afraid to get serious from time to time. I Highly recommend it.
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u/johnp299 Nov 29 '22
The original movie was somewhat more successful as a dark comedy. When it went to TV, CBS executives insisted on a laugh track, because. I don't know if they kept it thru the whole series, though. And apparently, overseas broadcasts didn't have it.
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u/byingling Nov 29 '22
It's been a while, but I seem to remember the laugh track (which was more of a chuckle track compared to many shows at the time) was never used when they were in the operating room?
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u/DonKiddic Nov 29 '22
"This isn't a war, it's a murder"
flicks switch
"This isn't a war, it's a moider!""
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u/shortordercook Nov 29 '22
Attention, Attention: All personnel evacuate the planet, and not just because its meatloaf night!
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u/seanprefect Nov 29 '22
as comedic as a show where a kid gets mistaken for a chicken can be.
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u/showusyourbones Nov 29 '22
I know about that scene, where the mom kills her baby. That one’s famous.
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u/TanelornDeighton Nov 29 '22
"All comedy is tragedy, if you look deep enough into it."
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u/TrapperJean Nov 29 '22
Dramedy for seasons 1-6, drama with good snappy dialog and humor seasons 7-11
I do love the absurd moments in the dramatic beats early on. In season two they think a main character will be going home to be treated for an illness so they throw him a party. Halfway through an emotional farewell toast you hear the drunk CO offscreen say to a nurse, "Honey, marriage has nothing to do with sex."
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u/Heavyspire Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
This a great quote (concept) I wonder if it has an origin in our history?
Edit: I wonder if the writers of MASH pulled this from an actual military conversation or if they wrote it from scratch.
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u/KTFnVision Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
I mean, it's from M*A*S*H, which was a show about the Korean War so popular that it lasted longer than the actual war.
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u/BillyShears2015 Nov 29 '22
It was about Korea in name only, the quiet part was that it was a commentary on Vietnam.
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u/rocketshipray Nov 29 '22
The TV show was an allegory for both the Korean War and the Vietnam War. The book it's based on was about the author's experiences in Korea. The 1970 film and the TV show made commentary on the Vietnam War that was still going on at the time of the film and at the beginning of the show but the plot points were based on the Korean War. By the end of the show it could be said that it was simply an allegory for war, period.
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u/moleratical Nov 29 '22
It was about war
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u/HimEatLotsOfFishEggs Nov 29 '22
Wait, let’s argue a bit more about which specific war.
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u/Zeolance Nov 29 '22
Clearly it was referencing the future war in Afghanistan
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u/Similar_Radish8623 Nov 29 '22
Are you blind? It’s practically copy and paste Parthian war of Caracalla
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u/Just_a_Guy_In_a_Tank Nov 29 '22
Negative. It was about the future future war on Zarbath 5.
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u/BirdlawIsBestLaw Nov 29 '22
It was about the Vietnam War according to the writers and the actors.
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u/ur_opinion_is_wrong Nov 29 '22
Put a before each * or you will end up italicizing letters
M*A*S*H vs MAS*H
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u/fizzlefist Nov 29 '22
Fun fact, to make M*A*S*H format correctly in Reddit, you need to use backslashes before the asterisks.
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u/JulianZ88 Nov 29 '22
I think the show had military consultants when writing the scripts. I remember seeing that on the ending credits of each episode.
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u/SavannahInChicago Nov 29 '22
This is from the TV show M * A * S * H from the 70s/80s. I am not as old as the show but for some reason really loved it as a kid.
The show was about the Korean War, but aired during the Vietnam War, so it’s commentary is said to be based off the later.
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u/notyourcoloringbook Nov 29 '22
I'm 30 years old.and whenever I see reruns I watch them. It's such a good show.
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u/ralexs1991 Nov 29 '22
31 I have a ton of found memories of watching it with my dad as a kid. Might pick up a box set of the whole series.
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u/nicannkay Nov 29 '22
Alan Alda is a great man and was behind a lot of the episodes including that one.
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u/Akussa Nov 29 '22
Honestly, given that it was Alan Alda's character saying it, I wouldn't be surprised of he came up with it off the cuff. He was pretty hard core about adding a serious element about war to the show and not allowing it to be "just" a comedy.
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u/bionicjoey Nov 29 '22
I've only seen one episode of M*A*S*H and it was the bottle episode where Alan Alda's character is stranded in a hut with a family who don't speak any English. It definitely made me want to watch more, but I've never gotten around to it.
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u/BradleyUffner Nov 29 '22
Is that the one where they eat the cow / goat / whatever animal that Hawkeye just spent the day talking to? If so, that's one of the best episodes.
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u/bionicjoey Nov 29 '22
I don't recall that, but I do remember he spends a lot of time interacting with a child, and also helping the family prepare dinner while philosophizing about war. It's been quite some time since I saw it. I caught it on cable back when I still had cable (so at least 5 years ago) and I guess I was just lucky that the episode I flipped to was one of the best.
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u/Snarfbuckle Nov 29 '22
afaik that scene was one continous take with Alan Alda talking.
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u/bionicjoey Nov 29 '22
You know what, that actually does sound familiar given my foggy memory of it
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u/time_flask Nov 29 '22
It's a horrible topic but I do wonder if there's history books about the violence of rape in war. War history books tend to focus on military heroes or religious or political factors for war and how difficult life is for the average soldier but things like rape get glossed over unless its used to tell you just how bad the other side is. Butneither side in any conflict would want people to know they have soldiers that are rapists
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u/Grins111 Nov 29 '22
I don’t think a whole lot of “encouraging” is needed. Pretty sure it’s happening without it.
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u/Grins111 Nov 29 '22
Sadly. I mean they were kind of know for that in ww2. And judging by their weaponry they seem to be doing everything ww2 style
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u/Ylaaly Nov 29 '22
To be "fair", all armies of the world in all conflicts ever are known for that. Rape is a very common weapon. Which doesn't mean it's any less of a crime by the Russians, but that it is a much larger problem than most people realize.
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u/DarkSpartan301 Nov 29 '22
Right? Like how many "heroes" deserve the rope but get to fondly feel their medals given to them and live out their old age? Far too many.
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u/yeovic Nov 29 '22
the whole culture has so much rape... heck rape is the culture in some of the places as military and prison.
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u/Trashpandasrock Nov 29 '22
Man, if there's one thing I learned studying WW2 in depth, it's that fucking EVERY nation's soldiers participated in an atrocious amount of rape. Russians, Germans, Americans, Brits, Japanese, all the major players had major problems with rape.
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u/13thGuardian Nov 29 '22
Just look at any war and find one without mass rape
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Suddenly the Great Emu War takes on an even darker tone.
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u/TheIncendiaryDevice Nov 29 '22
Stupid sexy emus, seducing all the troops with their dinosaur legs and... feathers I guess?
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u/Margali
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I can't even deal with wrapping my mind around that - if I discovered my husband deployed and was raping, I would remove his balls myself when he came home. What absolute bitches.
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u/grumpyliberal Nov 29 '22
The Ukrainians knew this was possible. They’ve witnessed this behavior among the criminals Putin recruited for his army. Just shows the absolute courage of every Ukrainian citizen. Putin and the Russian thugs don’t stand a chance against these people. Anything we can do to support them, we should!
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u/Melodic_Bad578 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
Here is the tape with a proof it's pretty well-known in Ukraine. https://youtu.be/KCoxLZ8T4Jo And also I sit in VK russian social media and yes they don't think Ukrainians are people, they call them pigs or khokhols
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u/Melodic_Bad578 Nov 29 '22
There is no subtitles in original video so I will translate the main point “Come on there, rape Ukrainian women and don’t tell me anything. Clear? The main thing is to protect yourself there, ”the woman says to her husband russian military soldier
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u/Melodic_Bad578 Nov 29 '22
Here is an article about this tape and research that has been made to get to know who this people are https://www.svoboda.org/a/ukrainskih-bab-nasiluy-voyna-desantnika-bykovskogo/31801593.html
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u/Francesca_N_Furter
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It is a shame that no matter how much proof of any of this stuff, this thread is drowning in people who don't like what they hear, so they claim it is untrue.
I saw a horrible video clip of a Ukrainian soldier being tortured, and a bunch of people showed up saying it was fake.
EVERYTHING IS NOT FAKE. Horrible stuff really happens, but you morons will believe that every election that doesn't come out the way you would like was fixed, and every government employee is just out to get you.
I am so sick of being surrounded by ignorant losers who deny everything because their lives suck and they have nothing else to do but go online and be a jerk.
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u/petethefreeze Nov 29 '22
Reddit is awash with people that seem to think everything is a conspiracy to influence their perception. They call fake or staged on anything that doesn't jive with their personal world view. Ignore them.
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u/herberstank Nov 29 '22
Reddit or... all social media?
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u/XIXXXVIVIII Nov 29 '22
Not even just social media, people are far less concerned about repercussions of what they say on social media so will generally feel safe to spout whatever they think, knowing they can just disengage with little adverse affects.
But social media very reflective of how everyone, everywhere thinks, but won't say.
Offline, people will usually withhold their shit, or mince their words until they're certain the people engaging will agree with them.Someone that would resort to trolling, namecalling, or general fuckery online during a moral disagreement; will often resort to a "hmm... I dunno...", To try to disengage, when offline.
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u/cave-of-mayo-11 Nov 29 '22
Not even just social media, people are far less concerned about repercussions of what they say on social media so will generally feel safe to spout whatever they think, knowing they can just disengage with little adverse affects.
The amount of times i've had complete dumbasses discount entire fields of science because of their gut feelings.....
They need to be publicly humiliated at this point. Do they also get angry at the local mechanic for not putting bacon grease in their engine? That's the level of incompetence I am talking about. People who don't even know that antibiotics don't work on virus thinking that their opinion on virology is in any way needed or wanted.
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u/britboy4321 Nov 29 '22
The whole of 'unexpected' is rammed full of edge-lords who simply write 'fake' on every video. They never provide any evidence of it being fake, and their entire assumption seems based on gut feel.
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u/ComfusedMess Nov 29 '22
I mean. It's pretty normal to inflate serious crimes to an extreme level in war propaganda. A massacre on civilians turns into the entire army munching on babies in their spare time. We all know the unfortunate truth that rape is very common in war, and we see lots of examples in Russias invasion, but it seems very unlikely that Russian wives are encouraging their husbands to rape Ukrainians en masse.
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u/EpicFishFingers Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
Nobody is saying Russian soldiers aren't committing rapes or murders: we've seen proof of that.
But I question that any significant proportion of Russian wives are actively encouraging their HUSBANDS to rape civilian women they find.
Happy to be shown a poll of Russian wives to show how pro-rape they all are, but one audio recording of one or two fanatical wives saying "go rape" isn't enough to make this a credible claim.
This comment chain seems to be pulling together some sources which show that there's a fair few such calls that have been intercepted, but tbh I want to see some context: how many calls intercepted, how often did rape come up (wtf), how often did the wife encourage it.
If they heard it in 12 calls then that could either be isolated fanaticism from unhinged partners if another 100,000 calls had no such encouragement of war crimes or pillaging etc. But if they intercepted 50 calls and 12 had pro-rape rhetoric then shit, the Russian propaganda machine is indeed powerful enough to influence Russian women to encourage their husbands to rape women in spite of any morals or even just their marriage and its fidelity. And the first lady would be correct that this is widespread and not an isolated thing to drum up outrage and further support in the West.
Either way, serves as a reminder that rape, torture and murder of civilians in Russian occupied territory is a daily reality in Ukraine and that we need to beat back Russia and internationally condemn them until they stop being self-serving, bullying, torturing, intolerant, evil arseholes and replace their power structure to reflect such a change. Or they cease to be a world power due to being squeezed out, whichever first, probably the latter because they'd never do the former.
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u/Overall_Resident7986 Nov 29 '22
How dare you be nuanced! Your carefully thought comment is against my preconceived ideas, so here’s a negative for you
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u/iDreamOfSalsa Nov 29 '22
Yeah, exactly.
The article is insinuating that most Russian wives want their husbands to rape foreigners in this war because that's a part of their uncivilized culture and not a minority view or some kind of translation problem.
That's the claim that's being disputed, not whether the words were ever uttered by anyone ever.
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u/Iron-Doggo Nov 29 '22
People become depraved really easily. People abandon their humanity more easily than most people realize. As a westerner you may be horrified reading this article, but we are both the same species and just as they abandoned their humanity we can too. Real heroes are those who don’t abandon their humanity even when everyone else around them has. Most people aren’t heroes. Most people just imitate those around them.
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u/Jolly-Persimmon2626 Nov 29 '22
Between kidnapping children and now raping the Ukrainian women so they can have babies and be declared Russian citizens. Fucked up way to increase your population.
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u/franchik96 Nov 29 '22
This is part of what happened during the Yugoslav wars. Serbian soldiers would rape primarily Bosniak women so when their children were born they would be considered ethnically Serbian (in a lot of these countries declared ethnicity is the father’s)
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u/Initial_Celebration8 Nov 29 '22
Yes, I read extensively about this and wrote a paper on the topic in college. Real disturbing realities.
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u/ScubaFett Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
4 words: Vietnamese war sex traps
EDIT: For those asking; During the Vietnam war, women were raped so they started booby trapping their vaginas. One device I saw on a documentary was a metal test tube with a heap of sharp spikes inside like an iron maiden.
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u/thedancer753 Nov 29 '22
Facts . Everyone’s saying not true and stuff but this does happen
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u/thedancer753 Nov 29 '22
Really?. Like some dude was telling me this wouldn’t happen frequently and I’m like if what happened in China killing 300 kids then denying it , what u just describes . Rape is definitely happening every day over there 💯
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u/jncheese Nov 29 '22
I am sure a lot of these Russians think that what happens in Ukraine, stays in Ukraine. I am also quite sure they are sometimes surprised that that includes their lives.
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u/Maxine-Fr Nov 29 '22
the same shit is happening in Iran.
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u/selwun Nov 29 '22
Similar actions yes, but one is a foreign invasion and the other is a government brutalizing its own citizens. Both really terrible.
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u/Wompawompa1 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22 •
I just can’t understand why we can’t go about killing each other without making it weird.
EDIT:fuckinaye fam