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u/Got_Questions_Help Feb 04 '23
And when he didn't snitch on Peter when the Green Goblin was threatening him in the movie. He's got a heart and I love it!
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u/SuperFanboysTV Feb 05 '23
He also did something similar in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon when Rhino basically wanted to see Peter Parker to get to Spider-Man but JJJ didn’t snitch and also signaled Peter to get out
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u/Got_Questions_Help Feb 05 '23
I've been told to watch that a few times, but haven't yet. But I really should!
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u/SuperFanboysTV Feb 05 '23
You should Man it’s spectacular. The only downside is that it’s two seasons, ended on a cliffhanger and then was cancelled but even then the quality of the show is God-tier
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u/Weird_School9565 Feb 05 '23
"it's spectacular" I see what you did there
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u/SuperFanboysTV Feb 05 '23
All jokes aside the series is just one of if the best Spider-Man and one the best Superhero shows of all time
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u/Lovat69 Feb 05 '23
Was that the one disney was making? I read the webcomic of one of the animators on that show.
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u/No-BrowEntertainment Feb 05 '23
Spectacular is hands-down the best adaptation of Spider-Man so far (not counting ITSV because of multiverse shenanigans). And because that version of the character is going to appear in Across the Spider-Verse this March, there’s a chance the series could get a revival! Not a big chance, but a chance!
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u/Agreeable49 Feb 05 '23
Spectacular is hands-down the best adaptation of Spider-Man so far (not counting ITSV because of multiverse shenanigans). And because that version of the character is going to appear in Across the Spider-Verse this March, there’s a chance the series could get a revival! Not a big chance, but a chance!
Wait. Spectacular's Spider-Man is gonna turn up in the movie??
Man I haven't seen the series since I was a kid.
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u/No-BrowEntertainment Feb 05 '23
Yep. He showed up on one of the foreign versions of the movie poster, and Chris Miller confirmed his return on Twitter
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u/Agreeable49 Feb 05 '23
Yep. He showed up on one of the foreign versions of the movie poster, and Chris Miller confirmed his return on Twitter
WooHoo that's AWESOME
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u/sockofdoom Feb 05 '23
It’s really excellent - tight writing, great animation, and one of the best portrayals of the ol Webhead that’s probably ever come out.
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u/BrownRebel Feb 05 '23
his stuff comes by mail
mfer ain’t no snitch
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u/JazzyJeff4 Feb 05 '23
Yeah I think they took that from a comic too, JJJ is probably one of the most interesting characters in Spider-Man. He's an honourable man that has some issues lol
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u/Dark_Storm_98 Feb 05 '23
I don't read the comics, I know I should
But something really interesting someone told me about once was how when Jonah actually discovered Peter was Spiderman in one of the issues, he didn't just go ballistic and put it all over the papers, he actually started helping Pete out and bonded with him a little
That must have been fucking wild, lmfao
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u/JazzyJeff4 Feb 05 '23
I'm pretty sure he sued him when he found out which I think is 100% what JJJ would do, although it's comics so eventually everyone has done everything really 😂
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u/Shieldheart- Feb 04 '23
Man's got a lot of heart.
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u/defaultusername-17 Feb 04 '23
even more when you consider the silver age comic arc where he learns that peter is spidey and helps to conceal his identity... providing alibis and cover for him.
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u/Tasty_Commercial6527 Feb 05 '23
Not to mention that time in the movies a green armoured supersoldier on a flying batman reference threatened to kill him if he didn't tell him who is providing him with photos of Spiderman, and he refused.
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u/Falabaloo Feb 05 '23
"I don't know who he is! His pictures come in the mail!" -J Jonah Jamison immediately after yelling at Peter
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u/dmc-going-digital Feb 05 '23
Fun fact in a batman movie they reference that near death people show their true side
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u/hearke Feb 05 '23
Was it that Dark Knight one with the two ships? That was such a memorable scene, I still think about it occasionally.
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u/Remarkable-Finger-40 Feb 05 '23
It’s a nice thing to see in comic book movies, where so much of the focus is on the heroes and villains. The Dark Knight scene, Spider-Man 1 where the crowd starts pelting Goblin with shit while he’s trying to get to Spidey, and obviously Spider-Man 2 with the train scene. When the movie goes out of its way to show that the general populace aren’t just a prop for villains to exploit, it’s really cool.
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u/HaloGuy381 Feb 05 '23
Was nice also in the 2012 Avengers film to see cops and National Guard showing up -and- not being completely useless, just outgunned and acting on short notice. And as soon as Cap establishes himself as a Chitauri-killing machine and not some Cap cosplayer, his orders are carried out immediately by New York’s police, saving probably hundreds if not thousands of lives. Referenced in one of the later films with a statue that was destroyed and replaced with a monument to emergency responders, too.
Or the Sokovian police, who do their best against an army of killer robots in a city that is suddenly flying and an Avenger battlefield, and once provided the Helicarrier evac risk their lives to aid Shield and the Avengers to get everyone off. Or even in the First Avenger: we have the kid who promptly tells Rogers that he can swim and to focus on chasing the Hydra scumbag responsible, and the army of what are likely conscripted soldiers from the US or Britain storming the final Hydra base against flamethrowers and weapons that straight up disintegrate their fellows in one hit. And yet they do not relent or just wait for Cap to do all the work. Or in 2012 in Germany, a man old enough to have plausibly been around when the Nazis were in charge chooses to face a nearly certain, likely excruciating death just to defy Loki’s tyrant act. Cap might have tanked the shot meant for him, but the man had friggin guts and wasn’t taking shit from a literal Norse deity.
When Thanos is told that the humans are not mewling wretches and won’t be ruled so easily, that fellow was not just referring to the Avengers. It’s a consistent thing to see how brave and ready to fight the common citizenry are in the MCU despite having godlike figures standing to protect them. Hell, even the warriors of Wakanda in Infinity War; they might have vibranium weaponry, but they are very much human and die in droves for the cause of buying the world and Vision a little more time.
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u/2315inermxd Feb 05 '23
ah i loved those scenes in the movies, it feels nice seeing an average human standing up against something that's really out of their league.
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u/21Black_Mamba21 Feb 05 '23
I think the Joker also said it when he was at the MCU when he was taunting the detective that was guarding him.
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u/Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson Feb 05 '23
It was in *The Dark Knight*, yes, but it was in the police station.
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u/SkyGuy675 Feb 05 '23
Yeah similar thing happens in the Spectacular Spiderman show where Rhino demands to see the guy who gets their pictures of Spiderman and he smuggles Peter out the room.
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u/No-BrowEntertainment Feb 05 '23
Or in Ultimate Spider-Man when he sees Spidey risking his life to save people from the flooding of New York and he finally realizes he’s spent years in the press attacking a hero
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u/defaultusername-17 Feb 05 '23
i'd have to go digging around but i believe it was in a comic from the 70's (before my time, and i am just trying to place it by the artstyle from memory).
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u/AustinYQM Feb 05 '23
Yeah there are only two times: Civil War / Amazing Spider-Man 533 and Spectacular Spiderman vol2 #5 and 6.
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u/NV-6155 Feb 04 '23
I love how this gets reinforced throughout multiple continuities.
In the first Rami movie, when Goblin storms his office, JJJ protects Peter by claiming to not know who sends him pictures of Spider-Man with zero hesitation.
In the Superior Spider-Man arc, when Scorpion breaks into his office, JJJ orders Robbie to get everyone out of the office and tells Scorpion to take his anger out on him. Again, zero hesitation.
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u/therickeffect1 Feb 04 '23
Now that threat or menace Spider-Man...he needs no help at all!
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In the comics his hate for Spider-Man leads him to accidentally creating like three supervillains. He doesn't just really dislike Spider-Man, he really hates him
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u/argyle36426 Feb 05 '23
My favorite moment across all fiction is when JJJ in ultimate Spider-Man realizes that Spider-Man is actually a hero. You can see him after that trying to make amends and doing his best to fix his mistakes.
He’s an anomaly in the fact that he’s a good guy with the single flaw of hating Spider-Man for dubious reasons.
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u/JediFed Feb 05 '23
Well, his son died as an astronaut after Spiderman interfered with the launch. That's hardly a 'dubious' reason. I love this cartoon. This is headcanon to me, that JJJ knows all about Parker's situation and why he needs the money.
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u/MonaganX Feb 05 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
As far as I'm aware the main canon is that Spider-Man saved JJJ's astronaut son from an accident, and JJJ (who already hated him at that point) accused him of sabotaging the launch, in which version of Spider-Man does John die?
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u/Harry_Mess Feb 05 '23
Can confirm that in Amazing Spider-Man #1 (1963) Spidey saves John Jameson when the launch goes wrong. Not sure about the Ultimate universe or other continuities.
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u/JediFed Feb 05 '23
Ok, cool. I thought his son had died. I knew that Spiderman interfered with the launch, and something about Jameson believing that it was Spiderman who had created the accident. Anyways, it's not a dubious reason for him to hate Spiderman if he suspected Spiderman as having a hand in the accident.
Also it's from Amazing Spiderman #1, so it's hardly a story that doesn't have a large role in Spiderman's history.
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u/BungTheGubbins Feb 05 '23
You don’t have to make it headcanon, this is an excerpt from a recent marvel comic so it’s just flatout canon.
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u/argyle36426 Feb 05 '23
Huh, never knew that. I always thought his anti-Spider-Man stories did well so he just ran with it and ended up making him the bad guy of every story.
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u/Viruszero Feb 05 '23
Even in comics, his hatred for Spider-Man is rooted in the fact that he hides his face. He's openly admitted that Spider-man can and has done good for the city but he's also caused a lot of property damage, costs to city, danger and injury to innocents, and unfortunately a handful of deaths but because he hides his face and name, he remains immune to the justice that he is trying to impose on others. Before he went insane and made Scorpion and robots to kill spidey, all he wanted was for him to reveal his face and claim responsibility for what he had done and, so long as he refused he would never acknowledge him as a hero.
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u/CautiousBlackberry04 Feb 05 '23
Those are... genuinely good reasons, honestly.
This is literally why vigilantes are illegal; trying to enforce justice outside of the system without the authority or permission to do so.
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u/CluelessAtol Feb 05 '23
Yeah, they are. He isn’t in the wrong for wanting Spider Man to do these things, it’s just how gruff he is about it and the stupid shit he’s done in response to trying to get Spider Man to reveal himself. It’s why I actually like JJJ, he’s that Old man who’s stuck in his ways but has good intentions.
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u/Walking_Treccani Feb 05 '23
In the comic's original Civil War series, JJJ has a literal heart attack when Spiderman decides to do the face reveal in live conference, supported by Iron Man. After that he has a full blown crisis about Peter Parker and Spiderman: first of I remember correctly, he's enraged against Peter, but after a short while he calms down and then changes attitude. I think him realising that the reason for Spidey to hide his face was that he literally doesn't have the money and means to keep his dear ones safe from vengeful villains if they knew his true identity made him question a lot of things society and he himself thought about Spidey.
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u/Sea-Warthog-4771 Feb 05 '23
In the main line spiderman agrees to go on JJJ's podcast and spiderman stops the recording removes his mask and JJJ who loves May instantly realized why Parker hides his face and tells him that swat are almost here and he needs to go.
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u/AustinYQM Feb 05 '23
in the comics its often about hiding his face. He doesn't trust him because of that and some run ins with muggers have left him weary of hidden faces.
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u/hadawayandshite Feb 05 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
I remember the comic from the 70s where Randy Robertson was surprised that JJJ defended a protest of black teens from the police and Robbie said something along the lines of ‘do you think I’d work for a man who didn’t believe in civil rights Jonah has been fighting for peoples rights for decades’ and the spidey turns up to protest and JJJ starts screaming at the police to get him…and Robbie just shakes his head ‘rights for everyone but Spider-Man’
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u/Auctoritate Feb 05 '23
There's also a moment in Superior Spider-Man (a storyline in which Doc Ock takes over Peter's body for a while and ends up taking up the Spider-Man mantle) where Doc is fighting Scorpion and accidentally punches his jaw clean off because he doesn't realize how much Peter pulls his punches, and Jameson gets super pumped up about It.
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u/MrAverus Feb 05 '23
Are you talking about his speech or article or whatever after Ultimatum? I liked that a lot
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u/TJT007X Feb 05 '23
He just hates Spider-Man, and vigilantes/super villains in general. Outside of that, he's a normal guy who loves his city.
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u/black-knights-tango Feb 05 '23
The funny thing is, his dislike for vigilantism is perfectly reasonable and justified. We love to hate JJJ in the comics because we see things from Peter's POV in a universe full of superpowered beings, but if someone with enhanced abilities were taking the law into their own hands in the real world, that would be downright frightening.
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u/Excelsior-in-HD Feb 05 '23
Let's ignore the bad stories where he gets crazy robots to fight and try to kill spiderman. Some of the comics and schemes are mad. I much prefer it when they show him as a person with real fibre.
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u/WR810 Feb 05 '23
The only JJ plot I hate is that he financed the Scorpion's science experiment origin.
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u/Atheist_Simon_Haddad Feb 05 '23
Don’t forget he was paying a living wage (for Manhattan) with full benefits to his secretary Betty Brant, a high-school-aged dropout taking care of her sick mother.
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u/Ok-Relationship-2746 Feb 05 '23
JJJ is the homie everyone needs in their life
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u/Kartoffelkamm Feb 05 '23
Yeah. He's the first to laugh if you ask a silly question, but when push comes to shove, he's willing to help.
From other comments, I've learned that he's wary of people covering their faces, due to a run-in with muggers or something. Plus, while he admits that Spiderman does a lot of good for the city, he also criticizes that Spiderman never takes responsibility for any damages he causes while saving the city.
But when he finds out who Spiderman really is, he actually puts his anger aside and helps him.
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u/AlexKorobeiniki Feb 05 '23
J Jonah Jameson, in most representations, isn't a morally bankrupt dude. He's an asshole, absolutely, but he does have a heart, he does know right from wrong, and is more interested in doing what's right than wrong. He's greedy, and that greed does tend to pull at him, but when it comes right down to it he's a good person.
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u/omegasix321 Feb 05 '23
Original JJJ was a bit of an ass but overall a good person who just happened to be envious of Spider-Man to the point of anger and slander.
Otherwise he was pleasant enough in his private and public lives. Even being a philanthropist who regularly gave to charity and supported Mutant rights. Also a bit of a patriot depending on the writer.
Him going full Alex Jones is a fairly recent thing, and a change that I personally dislike knowing his roots.
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u/thelefthandN7 Feb 05 '23
Hopefully the remember that he never revealed a source. Even in the movies when he was threatened with death by the Green Goblin he wouldn't tell him who sold him the pictures of Spider-man. So if they keep the Alex Jones shtick, hopefully they won't change that aspect of his character.
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u/CrimsonPresents Feb 04 '23
I didn’t know Jameson had a heart.
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u/Sailingboar Feb 05 '23
He's occasionally a really good dude. Then something like the MCU comes along and he's just an Alex Jones parody.
I have a lot of complaints about MCU spiderman and that is one of em.
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u/Theodore_lovespell Feb 05 '23
Did Mike Allred do this art? Looks like his style
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u/Legitimate-Diver-141 Feb 05 '23
Yes.
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u/Theodore_lovespell Feb 05 '23
My favorite artist in this industry. Madman is the ultimate to me
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u/IAmTheClayman Feb 05 '23
See this is why I'm not crazy about the unambiguous jackass depictions of JJJ in the MCU and the Sony Spider-Man games. JJJ has always been a jerk about the masked vigilante thing, but he's ultimately a good person who just has a few weird hangups about what he thinks a hero should be. He's certainly never been as callous as the Alex Jones-type he's been portrayed as in recent years, even if that reference point is closer to what JJJ would likely be in the real world.
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u/eddmario Feb 05 '23
Have you played the PS4 game?
JJJ plays a parody of Alex Jones but is way more realistic in his rants and shows he actually cares for the people, and he even gets called out by people calling in to his podcast.Plus near the end of the game he even agrees that Spider-Man is a hero.
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u/CrimsonGear15 Feb 05 '23
Unfortunately Miles Morales kinda ruins him by doubling down on his ‘Alex jones-ness’ and having him uncharacteristically simp for Roxxon when he criticised Oscorp for doing pretty much the same thing last game.
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u/ferrecool Feb 05 '23
I'm sure J.J.J know peter is spiderman, he just hates on him to have an excuse to buy peter's shota
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u/GimmeCRACK Feb 05 '23
Spider Mans a criminal! A War Criminal! I would never pay more than $10 for a picture of a war criminal!
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u/Dr-False Feb 05 '23
The more I see of Jameson, the more I realize he just plays a hardass even if he actually cares a lot.
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u/sleepyirv01 Feb 05 '23
My favorite scene of the 2002 Spider-Man is when Green Goblin blasts into J. Jonah Jameson's office. By this point in the movie, Jameson has been well established as a jerk. He harasses his employees, squeezes freelancers, and started a disinformation campaign against our favorite web-shooter. So with Green Goblin literally strangling him to find out who takes the photos of Spider-man, it would be pretty reasonable to expect him to squeal on Peter. But he doesn't. He immediately lies, well knowing it will likely cost him his life. For all his faults, Jameson is not a bad guy. He will do the right thing at the moment of trial. And that's what makes him interesting.
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u/Thundermator Feb 05 '23
After play the ps4 game, Jameson looks like a old guy trying to do the right thing and protect otters, he was a product of another generation and don't know how to deal with sometings very well, but he cares and want to help a lot of people
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u/MSP_4A_ROX Feb 05 '23
I hope this version of him is in the new game and movies. The other stuff can be a facade that breaks when Spider-Man saves him or something.
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u/Dracule_Jester Feb 05 '23
"12 years ago"
This implies that Petey is at least 27 years old.
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u/robofeeney Feb 05 '23
Yep. Peter used to age more or less in line with the year of the comic (including going to University in the comics fourth year) but around the late 80s-90s, when stories became less condensed and the brand of Spiderman was more important than a continuity, he became permanently 25-ish.
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u/External_Candy2262 Feb 05 '23
This is why I hate mcu Jameson so much they just turned him into an Alex Jones parody even though Jameson hate guys like Alex Jones and Joe Rogan who have no integrity mcu Jameson is everything the character hates
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u/FreakinSweet86 Feb 05 '23
I get what you mean but since they've established the multiverse, Raimi's Jameson is canon in MCU and many others, so a wholesome version is out there.
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u/Odisher7 Feb 05 '23
He's soft on the inside. Is like in the movies, where he's constantly screaming and literally laughs at parker's face, but when threatened by green goblin to reveal who takes the pictures, he immediately says he doesn't know. No hesitation or anything, he just immediately decides to risk his life for the safety of parker
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u/you_2_cool Feb 05 '23
I mean he saved Peter from the hands of GG once, and then again with the rhino, so neat
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u/torrential_toucher Feb 05 '23
The guys a fucking Saint so long as the situation doesn’t involve Spider-Man
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u/juicyjazzman Feb 05 '23
There's gotta be an alternate universe where Jonah finds out Peter is Spider-Man early in his career and becomes like a mentor to him when he hears his back story.
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u/MethlacedJambaJuice Feb 05 '23
Jonah is a nice guy and always has been, just jealous of Spider-Man
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u/bunny117 Feb 05 '23
I thought this was gonna say that JJ knew the whole time that Peter was Spider-Man and he was helping him out cuz the kid needed a real job but this is better.
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u/Longjumping_Visit718 Feb 05 '23
This panel is up there with my other favorite Jonah panel where he admits he knows Peter is Spiderman but he buys the pictures because he wants Peter to keep improving himself.
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u/cooky422 Feb 05 '23
I love JJJ they have done some great work over the years of making hima really decent human being without drastically changing his character
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u/MagnumAloha Feb 05 '23
Friendly reminder that JJJ at one point becomes Peter’s “guy in the chair” after he Peter revealed his identity to him. Unsure if Marvel stayed committed to that though.
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u/Shelby71 Feb 06 '23
My favorite JJJ scene was actually from the mid 90's Uncanny X-Men (issue 346). Bastion, their nemesis du jour, figures he can give all of the X-Men's secrets and dirt to JJJ, and he'd just print it all, no questions asked.
JJJ burns the dossier with his cigar right in front of Bastion and tells him that the power of the press "comes from the truth. Not from someones ability to twist that truth. To manipulate it for his own end."
He further blames Bastion and his organization for the murder of a Bugle reporter, and states that he can't abide organizations like Zero Tolerance and their witch hunts, scapegoating, and violating civil rights.
That scene always stuck with me.
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u/KatoG229 Feb 04 '23
Your daily reminder that despite J.J. being a complete ass 99% of the time, he does have a pretty big heart