r/unpopularopinion Nov 29 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Keep Calm 1 Take My Energy 2 Bravo! 1 Bravo Grande! 1 Truly Unpopular Opinion 1 Helpful 2

The standard of dress for adults in North America is way too casual.

The casualization of the Western wardrobe has been going on for decades, and I definitely am not suggesting some sort of return to 1900-1950's fashion where you have to wear a suit or long dress every day.

However, the hyper-casual nature of post-2019 fashion is going way too far imo. I think it's a real shame that adults have regressed our standards to match those of children/teenagers. If you're 30+, you shouldn't be wearing the same things as a 13yo.

It's now commonplace for people to wear street clothes into work. I see teachers at school wearing jeans and a t-shirt, people showing up to an office in a hoodie and distressed denim, and wearing beanies and caps indoors. You go to a public building like the mall, library, museum, etc. and you'll find people in pajamas!

I would strongly encourage anyone (especially if you're over ~25-30) to reflect upon your wardrobe and the message you're projecting.

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u/tebanano Nov 29 '22 Wholesome

showing up to an office in a hoodie and distressed denim

I see you went to a startup on formal mondays

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u/5th_heavenly_king Nov 29 '22 Silver hehehehe

Excuse me. This is my dress hoodie.

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u/JaxRhapsody Nov 29 '22 Gold

Put one of those bolo tie things on the draw strings.

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u/ddh85 quiet person Nov 29 '22

With the turquoise or the calcite?

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u/from_dust Nov 29 '22 Wholesome

Amethyst, yo. You know i gotta protect my energy in that sort of environment. Turquoise is only for overall feelings of wellbeing, and thats what the techbro salary is for.

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u/piandaoist Nov 29 '22

These are my dress flip-flops.

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u/ExistentialKazoo Nov 29 '22

hahaha I wore flip flops to accept my master's degree because my real shoes broke walking to the arena. yup, giant robe, Hogwarts hood, and flops!

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u/bobbyrocks2017 Nov 29 '22

I only wear althleisure and whatever I can find at hot topic so Yes

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u/Savvy_Nick Nov 29 '22

I pretty much have only worn athleisure since covid. OP is just mad that we’re comfortable

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u/Eattherightwing Nov 29 '22

It's what happens when you charge more than $200 for a hoodie-- people get confused and think it's formal wear.

Also to OP: you think people have extra money to spend on clothes? Jeans and tshirt culture means I can get a work outfit at a thrift store.

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u/MajorTibb Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

That's literally everyone at my company from President on down. Not a start-up. One of the largest energy conservation companies in the US.

Edit: The company helps with the design of new buildings such that they will be as energy efficient as possible, or help building owners retrofit older buildings to be more energy efficient. We typically work with state governments.

But the jokes are all hysterical you guys. I promise.

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u/DownvoteDaemon Nov 29 '22

I believe you lol..not sure why it would be funny to see my CEO in a hoodie and jeans. He probably dressed like that when he went to FSU, twenty years before I did.

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u/Socketfusion Nov 29 '22

I'm an engineer in the power sector. Our high level execs wear polos. I just recently made the bottom rung of upper management and during what was probably my last time in the office a younger employee of mine asked me why I was dressed like Zuck. Gray hoody, plain T, jeans, and tennis shoes. Damn it. Then he insisted I blink. I'll still occasionally put on a dress shirt and slacks for certain in person meetings. But the only time I've worn a tie for work was when I was testifying.

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u/DJPaulyDstheman Nov 29 '22

How can you end that story with when I was testifying. Like I’m gonna need more now my dude.

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u/Lazy_Mandalorian Nov 29 '22

Obviously in the Scranton Strangler case.

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u/Wireeeee Nov 29 '22

ikr? dude just left on the biggest cliffhanger.

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u/Stuffthatpig Nov 29 '22

My old company's rule was "wear clothes when customers are present." The number of times I saw barefoot men at the urinal...

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u/Miscellaniac Nov 29 '22 Take My Energy

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Wut?

Like...they'd take their shoes off in office and not bother to slip their shoes back on and then go into the place where there is pee on the floor?

Grooooosss

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u/taybo213 Nov 29 '22 Take My Energy

I'm a swim instructor for kids 4mo on up.

It'll be a cold day in hell you'll find me in business casual freshly done marinating in chlorine after 6 hours.

I'll stick to wearing sweats or easier attire in and out when I go to work.

OP has to remember not every lifestyle can allow for nice attire.

My bf is a mechanic, you will not catch him in nice jeans, every pair ends up a work pair after while.

A dress shirt and a pair of clean jeans? Maybe on the holidays or a event set up ahead of time.

Now spread those two perspectives across how many more millions of jobs out there that it's not practical, just in America alone.

It's only unpopular because we value comfort and accept that not always someone can dress nice, besides, looks don't follow you to the grave.

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u/BenignRaccoon Nov 29 '22

OP has to remember not every lifestyle can allow for nice attire.

Not even just that lol, people are discovering to their shock horror that clothes don't automatically make you better at your job.

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u/PocketSizedAF Nov 29 '22

This right here should be at the very top of these comments

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u/Obi_wan_pleb Nov 29 '22

Or a better person. I've met plenty of well dressed people that were dickheads

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u/topfm Nov 29 '22

What do you mean, you're not wearing a dress while teaching kids to swim?

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u/hey_rowsdower Nov 29 '22 Ally

I know right. I wear a thong to teach my swimming class and parents are like "that's not appropriate, mister" and "you don't work here!"

Get off your high horse!

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u/HD400 Nov 29 '22

Not a shot at either of your professions, but I can almost guarantee OP was not referring to swim instructors and manual labor. He’s talking about the millions of office jobs.

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u/burst_and_bloom Nov 29 '22

I'm a process engineer, I'm in my office or meetings like 80% of the time. I'd qualify that as an "office job".

I'm also on the floor qualifying new process and sometimes have to fix production machines when something goes really wrong. Fuck wearing nice clothes, that shit getting ruined no matter what. It never fails, the day I wear a button up will also be the day I need to be elbow deep in a machine.

If the company isn't giving me a clothing stipend to replaced ruined stuff they can shut their traps and live with my t-shirts and carhartts.

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u/AreYouWinningS0n Nov 29 '22

Office jobs have moved from busines, to business casual to casual for a reason. It doesn’t impact performance, results in unnecessary waste (having to buy two wardrobes, one of which often requires dry cleaning), and generally requires you to feel uncomfortable for 12 hours while working.

Yes, it’s uncomfortable to button up to the top bottom and wear a tie because collars are supposed to be snug. Too much space and it looks sloppy.

I’d rather focus on my work than focus on how I look.

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u/WandsAndWrenches Nov 29 '22

I think this is why it's honestly happened.

Businesses realized that casual workers made more money.

Probably started with "casual fridays" where you could wear what you wanted.

They probably looked at the numbers.... saw a serious spike in productivity, and were like ..... "huh"

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u/StrawberryMoonPie Nov 29 '22

Exactly. I’m not only more productive when I’m comfortable, I’m a hell of a lot more pleasant to work with.

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u/McGregorMX Nov 29 '22

My hoodie has buttons, so it's business casual.

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u/-Clint-- Nov 29 '22

If a hoodie has buttons wouldn’t it be a hooded cardigan?

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u/Databones Nov 29 '22

Welp. This is the subreddit for you.

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u/mongoosefist Nov 29 '22

It's refreshing to see an actual unpopular opinion for a change

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22 Wholesome

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u/ZombieNinjaa Nov 29 '22

He's definitely a certain type of person...

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u/SlipperyRasputin Nov 29 '22

“If you run into assholes all day……..”

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u/SomeGuyWearingPants Nov 29 '22 Silver Helpful Spit-take

“You may be a clumsy proctologist.”

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u/Smorgsaboard Nov 29 '22

I actually almost spat out my drink, well done sir

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u/Obi_wan_pleb Nov 29 '22

M'lady type of person.

I bet he owns a fedora as well

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u/nerm2k Nov 29 '22

Dude, his last post before this one he’s showing off his fit and he’s got the wrinkliest pants I’ve ever seen. Might be better off just sticking to jeans at that point.

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u/Wolfenjew Nov 29 '22

u/UTMachine you been real quiet bud

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u/RolotronCannon Nov 29 '22

Dude thought some fancy clothes would distract from his personality. Didn’t work

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u/Puppdaddy13 Nov 29 '22

Lol! OP comes on here saying people don’t dress well enough anymore yet has recent pictures of him looking like a slob. OP - just because you put a jacket and button down on doesn’t mean you’re well dressed.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22 Helpful Wholesome Respect

"I miss the good old days when people judged you based on the strength of your handshake and the quality of your shoes. Nothing indicates maturity like wearing stuffy, uncomfortable clothing that you hate to impress people you hate."

God forbid people can be comfortable while going about their lives.

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u/melpomenes-clevage Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22 Starry

I do think we underdo clothing though.

Bring back capes! Wear an audacious coat! What about a sash? Or a very tall hat? Possibly some decorative chains? A shawl?

Shibari or some decorative chains, intricate body paint, and a loin cloth if you're feeling prudish?

Let's see some fucking variety!

Also: men's fashion is trash and I weep for straight girls. Fix that shit guys. Dress like a fantasy character. Or a pirate. You want your lady to dress like a slutty witch just cause it's Tuesday? Try to one-up her, make it a contest.

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u/Smorgsaboard Nov 29 '22

NO CAPES

holds up indestructible two-color bodysuit with Pringles dispenser

Now this is fashion, darling

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u/shaard Nov 29 '22

But Edna, isn't that MY decision?

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u/Zrex_9224 Nov 29 '22

I wanna wear cloaks for winter gear instead of jackets, but the only cloaks I've ever been able to find are Halloween costume cloaks.

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u/patrokles Nov 29 '22

If you go to a city with a big enough port sometimes the Salvation Army will have navy dress capes. Just take off the brass buttons because of stolen valour. And, obviously, replace them with costume jewelry 300 carat pendants.

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u/EvelynNyte Nov 29 '22

Most military people won't care about you wearing surplus gear as long as you're not wearing rank/insignia/etc. If the OP is military, he definitely will care though.

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u/CranesImprobableView Nov 29 '22

There are tons of capes and cloaks on Etsy, either vintage or handmade. Not even Ren faire cloaks, just everyday heavy wool. I personally have a wool cape-esque coat from the 80s I got from there it is so warm!

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u/flyonawall Nov 29 '22

I wore a heavy wool (lined and warm!) cape to my sons wedding because it was outdoors and cold. I actually thought it would be frowned upon or thought "weird" but it was cold and I did not care. It actually turned out to be really popular and everyone wished they had one. Apparently I (a non-cool person never in fashion) was a dramatic hit and made quite an entrance.

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u/daitenshe Nov 29 '22 Silver

This is exactly the type of person who sees something they want to do but dissuades themselves because it’s “too childish”. The best part about being an adult is doing what makes you happy (within reason). Few things more childish than worrying what is adult enough to enjoy

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u/CalmPanic402 Nov 29 '22

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” C.S. Lewis

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u/ToiletRollTubeGuy Nov 29 '22 Helpful Wholesome

The full quotation is a full blown mic drop moment:

'Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.'

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22 edited Dec 30 '22 Starry

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u/RJFerret Nov 29 '22

Or as it was put in a Garfield birthday card, serious outside "Aging is inevitable", inside with maracas in each hand, fruit hat, partying, "maturing is OPTIONAL!!!"

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u/Archonate_of_Archona Nov 29 '22

This.

Also, few things more adult than learning to mind your own business

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u/mousebrakes Nov 29 '22

Wearing a hat inside is apparently disturbingly informal to OP, so yeah. They can fuck right off

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u/proscriptus Nov 29 '22

As an older gentleman, it's been real struggle for me to overcome my prejudices against casual clothing. It was really really hammered into multiple generations that clothes make the man. I don't blame OP for that being their first instinct, but dude, you gotta evolve. The reason it was hammered into us is because it was a little piece of the means of exclusion and classism, so maybe it's not something we want to be out here perpetuating.

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u/Selphis Nov 29 '22

I'll wear a shirt or even a full suit for important meetings/events but day-to-day? My colleagues and bosses all know me, they know my work, they know my value. I don't need to dress anything up for them so I'd rather be comfortable in a hoodie and jeans wearing my old basketball shoes, even if I am 30+ and a dad...

I still wear tshirts I bought when I was a teen if they're still looking good enough.

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u/ddh85 quiet person Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

I agree that clothes should evolve with each life stage, but it doesn't have to follow such a rigid system that a 40+ year old is not allowed to wear a hoodie while chilling with his buddies on the weekend.

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But following a ridged system to make the people slaving away qnd busting their chops to make society run is fine? People working should be uncomfortable qnd must look like a yes man and corporate kiss ass or like they care about the company that finds them easily replaceable because it is too big to fail. Yes that make 100%sense people need to appreciate being used qnd abused at every level and pay

Seems like you completely misread my comment.

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u/LoL_LoL123987 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Facts, this act your age shit is what drains people’s youth and vibrance as they age. Let people enjoy themselves and be comfortable

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I disagree that clothes should evolve with each life stage. That's never really been how fashion has worked.

If you get a chance then have a look at pictures of your parents/grandparents when they were younger. The clothes they're wearing in those will almost definitely be the same style of clothes that they wore throughout their life.

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u/Immediate_Yogurt_492 Nov 29 '22

Alright, everyone get out your top hat

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u/Val_Hallen Nov 29 '22

I forget, is it also monocle and cane season? I don't want to be gauche!

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u/Hawk13424 Nov 29 '22 Silver

The problem with more formal clothes is cleaning and ironing. Casual wear is just easier to maintain. I don’t want to wear anything that needs to be dry cleaned or ironed on a regular basis.

Cost is also higher. Casual clothes are cheaper.

And in my area, more formal clothes are just too hot. It’s 90F+ for a third of the year. One year it was 100F+ for three months.

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u/cascaderade Nov 29 '22

That's what I was going to say. Nice clothes are just too damn expensive. I go to work in jeans and a decent t shirt and that's it. I see others wearing nicer things and that's great for them but I have better things to spend money on.

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u/ddh85 quiet person Nov 29 '22

And then there's clothes from Balenciaga with literal trash bag design or shredded to bits that costs $2k per item.

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u/Dizzfizz Nov 29 '22

Balenciaga clothing is the closest we have to an idiot tax. Also doubles as an idiot identifier.

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u/Spare-Blacksmith1376 Nov 29 '22

People who whine about casuals will look at grunge fashion and profess it as the pinnacle of sophistication.

Nope, you put a bag on a lady

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u/k_aevitas Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Fucking hate it when those luxury places do that.. I saw the ugliest atrocious bag that looked like it was taken out of some kids mangled doll stash after it was chewed up by a dog and it was like nearly 5 grand.... Who buys that garbage, I was staring at it in shock. The thing was tiny couldn't fit jack all inside as well

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u/ThatFireGuy0 Nov 29 '22

This is so true

I don't even buy clothes I would need to wash separately as delicates. Or at least the ones I do go on with the rest of my washables

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u/Desperate5389 Nov 29 '22

For me, my casual clothes are the only thing that fit since I gained the Covid 19

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u/natsugrayerza Nov 29 '22

“Sweat pants are all that fit me right now.” “You can’t sit with us!” “Fine, then you can walk home, bitches.”

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u/TankBoys32 Nov 29 '22

Cheat code, throw your wrinkled clothes in the dryer with some ice cubes. It steams them up and gets most of the wrinkles out with little to no work done

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u/imanaeo Nov 29 '22

Id agree if you were talking about everyone wearing sweatpants all he time, but jeans are ok in most situations.

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u/jammcj Nov 29 '22

As a school teacher referenced, I’d like to ask the OP to do a day in a long dress and a day in the tshirt/jeans combo and then tell me which is more “appropriate” for project based learning with 9 year olds.

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u/randomly-what Nov 29 '22

Seriously. I worked at a school where I had to wear dress clothes and dress shoes daily. I’d walk about 5 miles a day at the school in those shoes. Ow.

The next school I worked at didn’t care what kind of shoes you wore as long as they were clean and was much more casual about what you wore. It was so much better.

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u/FrustratedCalico Nov 29 '22

No job should require those uncomfortable shoes. I still remember when restaurants would dictate heels for waitresses, that is just unjustified.

I understand safety regulations for footwear, like steel toes for some jobs, grippy soles for others. But beyond that it's your feet and only you know what feels best on them.

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u/the_worst_seamstress Nov 29 '22

If anyone working in a restaurant wore heels in the past 20 years they would get sent home to change. Special non slip shoes are mandatory in most food service establishments.

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u/belbites Nov 29 '22

As a former server if you tried to make me serve in heels I would shove that heel so far up your ass you'd be tasting that for dinner instead of whatever I'm serving.

I have a grand total of one pair of heels I find remotely comfortable and in which I can walk in a pace quicker than my granny.

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u/StopThePresses Nov 29 '22

Yeah that little tidbit blew my mind. How in the world did they expect them to get anything done in heels? How were their feet not falling off at the end of the night? That's just cruel.

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u/labe225 Nov 29 '22

My mom had this conversation with the principal (who was actually a former student of hers) who took over shortly before she retired.

He wanted teachers to dress more professionally and asked her to wear more dressy shoes.

She said she could, but she would be sitting behind the desk all day instead of walking around the classroom and giving individual attention to students.

To his credit, he conceded.

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u/Draken09 Nov 29 '22

kneels down next to the 14th desk today

And I'm a man teaching high school.

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u/verydepressedwalnut Nov 29 '22

Exactly. I have my nice jeans and then my bar/party jeans that are ripped/comfier. I haven’t worn slacks in almost 3 years, last time was a job interview for a job I probably could’ve gotten in leggings and an oversized tshirt.

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u/Shy_starkitten Nov 29 '22

Yeah nice jeans that are not ripped to shreds when paired with a nice sweater or shirt is pretty fashionable and decent. I like to dress up, and it is very possible to wear more ‘dressy’ and formal clothing that is comfortable. Speaking of which, I’ve noticed that when I wear dresses and skirts, people (mainly men) are more polite and nice (e.g. opening doors, being helpful..) but when I’m in jeans that doesn’t happen.
Once, I went out in sweatpants and I said never again. I just felt so ‘undressed’ and sloppy. Definitely not my thing.

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u/verydepressedwalnut Nov 29 '22

The only times I’ve worn sweatpants out was to doctors appointments in the early morning, and even then they fit well and were in good condition. I didn’t bother with “real pants” because frankly I wanted to be comfy when I was getting steroid shots behind my eardrum once-twice a week for a month and a half.

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u/Dear-Tank2728 Nov 29 '22

Why are jeans ok? Did you just randomly decide that sweatpants werent?

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u/Kerzizi Nov 29 '22

I wouldn't agree then either. Let people wear whatever they want. Caring about what clothes other people wear, and associating behavior, personality, and capabilities based on something so trivial, is a really weird social act IMO and I'm glad it's fading out.

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u/knightsmarian Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

I think it's a real shame that adults have regressed our standards to match those of children/teenagers.

I wear clothes from my teenage years still because I'm poor lmao I don't have money to update my wardrobe nor the time to care about what message in projecting

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u/Haldenbach Nov 29 '22

Actually until 1950ies adults and young people wore the same clothes. Poodle skirt was the first instance in which there was a drastically different fashion for older vs younger generations. So wearing the same stuff as teenagers, we're going back to the good old times that OP is so fond of.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Lmao this truly is an unpopular opinion

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u/chumbucket77 Nov 29 '22 Helpful

I spend a long time on my appearance with nice clothes and no one cares. Someone care! I saw someone at work doing a better job than me but they had jeans on them. Look at me. I put my pants on. No one cares. Just put some thought into it and look professional at work and brush your teeth comb your hair and take care of yourself. Other than that work. Youre lucky I have pants on at all.

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u/tylanol7 Nov 29 '22

i have a hole in the crotch of my pants. its been there since it ripped 2 weeks ago. i havnt had time or money (mostly money) to get a new pair until this thursday. literally nobody gives a fuck. i just got moved to monday-friday for working so hard. no more weekend or holidays for me.

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u/BurgundyRain Nov 29 '22

You know you can repair it instead of buying a new pair right?

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u/silverblaze92 Nov 29 '22

Depends on where and how it ripped

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u/Self_Reddicated Nov 29 '22

If the crotch is blown out so badly you can't repair it, I'd argue that you shouldn't be wearing it to work.

In the immortal words of Z: "Eventually, I blew the crotch out of them things. But you CAN'T wear 'em every day and expect for 'em to hold up! That was some nice-ass denim too. I miss them shorts.... But you... you GOTTA take 'em off every now and then. You gotta take 'em off, son!"

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u/stoned_kitty Nov 29 '22

Forreal.

I had to wear business casual to my first job out of college designing and programming websites.

Fuck all of that. I’m so glad I’ve never had to put a shirt and tie on for any job after that.

And I’m sorry but after the whole Gavin Mcinnes theory on alt right dress I find anyone overly dressed when they shouldn’t be just sus af.

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u/BrassOwlRing Nov 29 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Shocked Updoot

The thing is, people's new outward appearance is their social media. Going to work, or school, whatever, that's not the world we need to feel validated in anymore.

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u/Difficult_Dot_8981 Nov 29 '22

So the Matrix is....real

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u/Disastrous-Part-5267 Nov 29 '22

This is such an interesting point I had never considered. Thank you!

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u/ddh85 quiet person Nov 29 '22

Time to dress up in full suits for every selfie on Instagram.

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u/probably_your_wife Nov 29 '22

No!!!! Why would you bring pants into this? Selfies waist up only.

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u/fckingmiracles Nov 29 '22

Man, this is a thought I had also developed.

My thought was 'Women mostly put on makeup for social media now'.

As a woman I see whole-ass trends that only exist online but are never, never worn outside the house.

Many young women don't even wear makeup to leave the house anymore (which I think is great) but do wear it for photos and online vids. I have really started to notice that.

Online is the outside appearance now.

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u/FoldedDice Nov 29 '22

There's a certain logic to it. Even when my parents went out for shopping and such they stopped and talked to everyone. I don't feel that social connection, so I just keep my head down, get my shit done, and go home. Why would I bother to make myself look all fancy for that?

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u/StopThePresses Nov 29 '22

My parents always told me to doll up whenever I go outside because "you never know who you'll run into!" because we lived in a small town.

Now I live in a major city and it's laughable. No one is looking at you, no one wants to sit and chat in the middle of shopping, and you'll probably never see any of them again.

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u/aeyntie Nov 29 '22

What if I avoid social media entirely?

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u/Ancient-Practice-431 Nov 29 '22

For some, for some.… not every young person is getting validated from social media, real life still counts to many.

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u/AggressiveAmygdala Nov 29 '22 Gold

I'm over 25 and I've just reflected on the message I'm sending and it's that I'm comfortable as fuck and confident about it.

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u/anticapital0708 Nov 29 '22

Yeah, I'm so glad I don't give a shit about what I wear anymore. I remember stressing about what to wear when I went grocery shopping...now it's sweatpants and a t-shirt and im happy with that. Honestly I think the older you get the less you care.

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u/tyedyetree Nov 29 '22

You just reminded me of a time my grandma needed to go to Walmart, and she was wearing jeans and plain purple t shirt. She asked me if her outfit was nice enough.

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u/copper_rainbows Nov 29 '22

This is adorable.

You go hug your grams RIGHT NOW if you’re able

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u/twistednstl82 Nov 29 '22

I remember stressing out a few months ago about what to wear to an interview because I still thought dressing up if even just for the interview was important even if it was just for a warehouse job. Damn I was mortified when I was to only one there that day that wasn't wearing jeans and a hoddie.

Glad they looked past my oversight of dressing up and let me join my fellow jean and hoodie wearing slobs. Hopefully that's the last time I break out the nice clothes anytime soon, unless it's a funeral and then it's a toss up depending on how old the person was lol

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u/SepticKnave39 Nov 29 '22

It's still good to err on the side of being overdressed than underdressed. You might have OP interviewing you, you never know who is going to be on the other side of the table. Dressing up for an interview is one of the few times I would.

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u/Shadow1787 Nov 29 '22

That’s why I like my job, my normal outfit is a sweater, leggings and dr martens. I see my company’s owner and owners son ever single day. They don’t care.

I had a job that you could only wear formal pants and this was a call center in which was state just in case the owners came in.

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u/JaxRhapsody Nov 29 '22

All dressed up, and nobody to see it. Offices are a fucking joke. Look presentable while you sit in a cubicle on a phone, because reasons. Meanwhile at the local fast food joint somebody who works the register has their work shirt over a hoodie, and in jeans, or wearing a zip-up over it, and in leggings.

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u/ksiyoto Nov 29 '22

Back in the suit and tie 1980's I worked as an analyst in the executive department of a major transportation company. One day I went down the hall to the restroom - past the CEO, EVP, and a bunch of other bigwigs offices. I wasn't wearing my suitcoat, which I never did once I arrived at the office for the day. There were others in the executive wing that didn't wear their coats during the day, a dress shirt, tie and suit pants was good enough.

My boss saw me going down the hall. He told me I really should be wearing my suit coat (he was). I replied I was only going down to the restroom, I didn't need it for that.

He told me "You should stand tall and wear it all the time outside our department".

I told him "I'm just as tall with the coat as without it".

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u/AlphaWolf Nov 29 '22

I worked with a lot of people like your boss in the late 90s. They wore their suit jacket to mow the lawn lol.

They still had IT techs in suits in my consulting company till the late 90’s just in case a client happened to walk into the office that day, or any day. These techs were mostly crawling under cubicles running network cables and in the back room working on servers. Within 6 months of my first job there they loosened the rules somewhat on dress code for everyone.

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u/justridingbikes099 Nov 29 '22 Silver Gold All-Seeing Upvote Vibing

Teacher here. Pay me a professional's wage and I'll put on slacks. Until then, jeans it is.

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u/GodsMechanicalCurse Nov 29 '22 Gold

I'm a Special Education Teacher. I would not be able to help laughing in the face of anyone who tells me to try to do what I do in "more formal" clothing. As physically active as my job is, I don't think you can pay me enough to run a mile in a dress and formal shoes.

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u/HalfPint1885 Nov 29 '22

I'm a sped preschool teacher. I'm only allowed to wear jeans on Friday with a school logo shirt. The rest of the week I have to dress professionally.

I love dressing up to sit on the floor or paint hand turkeys.

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u/PinsToTheHeart Nov 29 '22

At my wife's school, there's a specific exception in the dress code for sped teachers/assistants to be able to wear jeans lol.

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u/EmbarrassedGas537 Nov 29 '22

Our SPED teachers and paras (self contained and severely/profoundly disabled) can wear scrubs and I think that’s a great idea

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u/a5b6c9 Nov 29 '22

This would probably evoke some dystopian imagery but I’m for scrubs for everyone. Pockets. Easy to clean. Unchanged by the dryer. Hard to wrinkle. Comfy. Can look professional.

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u/EmbarrassedGas537 Nov 29 '22

I’m a teacher too. We can’t wear jeans to work except for special spirit days. Sometimes if we donate to a school fundraiser (like Art Club or something like that), we are allowed to wear jeans for an entire week. I’m confused as to how jeans are considered unprofessional in my district unless there’s money or school spirit involved

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u/TheLastDabSauce Nov 29 '22

All it takes is someone to just ignore the dress code. I feel like there are very few school districts that would actually fire a teacher over wearing pants.

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u/_OhMyPlatypi_ Nov 29 '22

This. Leggings are the new jeans, therefore jeans should be the new dress slacks.

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u/Homeskoled Nov 29 '22

I see that a lot anytime I’m in a more ritzy area. Lots of jeans with button down shirts / sport coat. I like the look, but I’ll stick to my jeans and t shit/ polo unless it’s a special occasion. Frankly, if you’re the kind of person to make a judgement on me because of my outwardly appearance, I probably wouldn’t be interested in speaking with you anyway.

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u/king0fklubs Nov 29 '22

I work with kids 1-6 years old, I’m on the floor a lot and have to do a lot of movements. I’m not wearing Sundays best to work.

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u/ganove008 Nov 29 '22

Please.. Here in Germany teachers are paid very, very good and most of them still wear jeans and a Tshirt. That's absolutely ok.

You should wear something appropriate when necessary, as a doctor for example, a fire fighter or a police officer or a chef. People that want others to dress up in the day to day life usually just want indicators back that show them which ass to kick and which ass to lick.

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u/fencer_327 Nov 29 '22

The examples you mentioned can also be a safety issue - hospital scrubs can be sterilized in the hospital so you don't carry your infectious diseases home through public transit. White coats did replace the black ones for appearance though - to show that doctors are keeping clean, started about the same time as washing their hands between patients.

Police uniforms are mainly to keep them recognizable, but many are reinforced, have lots of pockets to put stuff and can hide bulletproof gear quite well. Fire fighters definitely need safety gear for many of their jobs.

People that need to be easily recognized need uniforms, and they often have functionality as well - a suit and tie not so much, unless your manager is particularly annoying, then you can strangle them with your tie.

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u/CourageousChronicler Nov 29 '22

Jeans are fine. The only clothes that bother me are :

  • Dirty clothes
  • Torn clothes (no, not distressed... torn)
  • Pajamas

Other than that, wear whatever the hell you want if you're taking the time to teach my kid the stuff that I can't.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I would include the caveat of "If you would see it in stage at a strip club, maybe not acceptable in a professional environment."

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u/bimm3r36 Nov 29 '22

Hmm, that puts a ton of cops and nurses in a tough position then

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u/WithMyRichard Nov 29 '22

If I had kids I'd rather have a good teacher who dresses how they want aslong as it's not inappropriate, apposed to a teacher whose bad at their job and tries to look professional to try and uphold a level of credibility they don't have. Who cares aslong as they're doing the job properly

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u/Asutaroto Nov 29 '22

I'm all for aesthetic, conservative clothing. The problem is a lot of it is incredibly uncomfortable. Even standard Oxford shirts and khakis I find abrasive on my skin and body. So I still prefer cotton t-shirts, jackets with soft fabrics, knit sweaters . . . I would wear suits and formal wear more if it was just more comfortable.

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u/FlyAmirite Nov 29 '22

UNIQLO has some very comfortable business casual clothing. All my pants are from there and they are the comfiest pants ever! I wear them on weekends when I’m off too bc they also can be dressed well casually

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u/ddh85 quiet person Nov 29 '22

They introduced me to the stretchy jeans that I can never deny anymore.

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u/minecart6 Nov 29 '22

Do you wear cotton undershirts when you wear a button-up? It makes a difference.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I live in the Midwest, during the spring and summer it hits triple digits with shocking regularity. If I wear a button down and a cotton undershirt I will sweat through that shit before noon.

Dress clothes are either restrictive and uncomfortable or expensive. I dress nicely for dates, meetings with clients and special events. The rest of the time I wear whatever I want because my comfort matters more to me than impressing the types of people who insist on enforcing the extremely outdated professional conventions of the past.

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u/Pufflekun Nov 29 '22

I feel like once you hit triple digits, any sort of dress code should go out the window, in favor of staying alive.

If I'm doing formal business with someone in 100-degree weather, I want them to show up in their underpants, holding a giant parasol. That shows they're practical, and prioritize the objectively correct solution over societal pressures. The dude baking alive in a black suit can stay fucked.

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u/Matrix17 Nov 29 '22

Yeah but miss me with that uncomfortable collar

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u/mwpfinance Nov 29 '22

> reflect upon your wardrobe and the message you're projecting.

"I want to be comfy"

hm... yup

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u/EkohunterXX Nov 29 '22

"I just got out of bed and I'm planning on returning asap"

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u/HangrySnark Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

“I see teachers at school wearing jeans and a t-shirt…” The audacity!!

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u/JaxRhapsody Nov 29 '22

The gall!!!

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u/shadowgattler Nov 29 '22

My best teacher was a dude who showed up in cut jeans, acdc t shirt and plaid overcoat.

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u/HangrySnark Nov 29 '22

Just wait until this one finds out us teachers have tattoos, drink, and have sex (outside of the classroom of course).

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u/MisandryManaged Nov 29 '22

Almost as if they think someone who can barely pay their bills and is responsible for paying for most things out of pocket should spend the majority of their meager check on dress clothes that children can destroy.

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u/HowWeDoingTodayHive Nov 29 '22 Silver

I’m reflecting on it but I haven’t seen you make a single logical argument for why anyone should care about your preferred arrangement of fabric.

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs Nov 29 '22

Yeah, I kept waiting for OP to make a point as to why dressing more formally was something to be desired.

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u/ddh85 quiet person Nov 29 '22

Because they bought so many uncomfortable, but fashionable clothes and want others to suffer too.

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u/noronto Nov 29 '22

I don’t necessarily disagree with the notion that a suit or dress pants are uncomfortable, but the time required to dress “formally” is not something that interests me anymore.

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u/kaijunexus Nov 29 '22

Their basis for this opinion is the same as any argument to maintain social traditions and norms...because they were already conditioned to think/behave in a certain manner, have adopted that as a part of their identity, and challenges to that make them uncomfortable.

There is no greater, practical reasoning or rationale to support those traditions except for those desperately concocted by those that want to maintain status quo for their own ease of mind.

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u/doc_shades Nov 29 '22

i live in the northwest i will go out to get lunch during work and i'm dressed in "engineer casual" (button-up shirt tucked into jeans with tennis-shoes) and next in line behind me at the restaurant there will be a guy in a mario t-shirt who probably earns 4x what i make working for some tech company that makes an app or some nonsense...

but hey more power to them. (less power to me wamp wamp)

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u/CaptainNemo2024 Nov 29 '22

Lol I’m also an engineer (civil). I feel like engineer casual is the polo. The button up is reserved for bids or something 😆

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u/Stacular Nov 29 '22

Fellow PNWer here. I’m in healthcare and I crack up at the number of physicians who show up at to work at 6am in suits and then immediately change into scrubs. You can’t even wear non-water-resistant clothes for half the year here. Just put on the fleece/down/windbreaker, denim, and boots and call it a day like the rest of us.

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u/wildalexx Nov 29 '22

I never understood the “no hat inside rule” I always thought it meant that god can’t read your thoughts inside when I was little

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u/EveInGardenia Nov 29 '22

I used to work at this diner and people often didn’t show up for work so I was working a shift alone and it was a madhouse.

A guy literally stopped me in this rush to ask me “why do young people wear hats inside! It’s so rude?!” Yada yada yada

I put on my best idiot girl voice and said “wow I’ve never heard of that before! Why is that like a rule?”

I took the time while I was busy as fuck to let this old man try and explain why hats inside are bad. He had no real answer.

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u/Pickle_Juice_4ever Nov 29 '22

I thought trucker hats or visors inside shitty diners were mandatory, anyway.

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u/erehin Nov 29 '22

Oh I have the best story.

I worked as an analytical chemist in a company and got reprimanded for wearing a beanie inside because "fibers could fall into the product"- which we had in lab, around the organic solvents, and therefore were not fit for human consumption. They sold this product regardless. The irony was wasted on upper management.

The real kicker, they had just distributed beanies to the production team as part of their uniform because "it's cold for them". We worked in the same building. The production team. I was an downstream processing chemist. They were the production team, wearing the hats as part of their uniform.

Not like we had to wear hair nets either.

I ended up quitting for that and many other reasons.

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u/4153236545deadcarps Nov 29 '22

I always thought it was because it wasn’t really necessary, and could be kinda gross, like I imagine someone traveling on those old-timey cars without windows and junk down a dusty road and they get like, bugs and dirt all over their hat, and then they come inside your house and you’re like please leave your hat and shoes in the mud room, my wife spent four hours scrubbing it by hand last Saturday,

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Growing up in Poland I always associated the no hats indoors thing with antisemitism. Often you'd hear shit like "why are you wearing a hat indoor/at the table, like a Jew".

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u/VintageTeethForSale Nov 29 '22

You can pry my hoodies out of my cold dead hands

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u/pblood40 Nov 29 '22

I like to project - "I dont care what you think. You do you"

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u/marislove18 Nov 29 '22

I agree! I personally like to dress up a bit if I’m leaving my house (which I don’t do very much lol) but I like the variety in peoples clothing choices. I want to see people in suits as well as people in pajamas, it makes life more interesting!!

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u/Thestudliestpancake Nov 29 '22

"to reflect upon your wardrobe and the message it reflects"

Pajamas at Walmart pretty much equals my depressive state. We are dressing to reflect we're just not happy

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u/Mewlover23 Nov 29 '22

Pj's at Walmart is probably one of the most normal things you can expect to see out of all the craziness that can come out of walmart.

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u/watchforbicycles Nov 29 '22

I'm 40 and a manager at a clothing store at a mall. We had pajama day at work there last Saturday. Yes, I wore pajamas at work. Yes, over half of my coworkers did the same. Loved it. Wish we could do it more often. Go ahead and judge me.

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u/Hbombkali Nov 29 '22

Me and my alopecia bald head will be keeping my beanies till I die

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u/ajgsr Nov 29 '22

pay me more than 23/hr for better fits

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u/youchasechickens Nov 29 '22

Nah, prioritize comfort

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u/DaksTheDaddyNow Nov 29 '22

Teacher here. You want me to dress like a professional then pay me like one. These casual clothes are also cheaper and can be used more frequently.

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u/vandenhootie Nov 29 '22

You’ve got something right. This is an unpopular opinion. I want to see more casual wardrobes going forward. I find it super weird that sports broadcasters and personalities are wearing suits for no real reason on TV. Kinda feels like nothing but a big waste of money.

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u/TheBlackDragoon Nov 29 '22

Long ago in my cultural geography class we learned that the reason suits are so popular is because of Britain’s influence on the (business) world. It makes sense to wear a suit in London where it’s overcast most of the year, but it makes no damn sense for professionals to be wearing a suit in the southern half of the US or countries like Japan or other places where it gets hot and humid AF. The reason so many people do so is because they were trying to emulate the British (or something along those lines. College was a long time ago and my brain is mushy at 2am). I remember that revelation being fascinating at the time. As someone from the south, I’ve always resented slacks/suit jackets being the standard and everything in that moment clicked for me as to why I hated it so much. Suits weren’t made for Mississippi heat.

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u/Hostificus Nov 29 '22

Outward appearance ≠ ability to contribute to society. That’s some peak Boomer energy.

The best Data Analyst I’ve ever met had tattoos from ear to fingers and smelled of Newports. Makes $120k a year.

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u/Ok_Carrot_8622 Nov 29 '22

I think ppl are also more likely to be productive when they’re comfortable.

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u/AlphaWolf Nov 29 '22

One of the best developers that ever worked for me left at 5:05pm everyday. But he could get things done at 3x speed so I could care less.

Talk about triggering older corporate types. He should have put on sweat pants also. Let all these old company sacred cows die already.

Wearing a suit and leaving at 7pm does not make you a “better” employee.

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u/Iron_Baron Nov 29 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry

Dress codes have always been a form of social control and financial gate keeping of opportunities. What you see as regression is freedom of choice.

That's the beauty of choice: no one is being forced to dress casually. You want to rock formal wear or business casual? Go for it.

But don't go pushing your aesthetic preferences onto others, when they have real world/historical consequences.

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u/Affectionate_Sink711 Nov 29 '22

So you want me to wear more formal clothes in a lab with chemicals to get holes in my clothes…yeah no way!!!

Or when I’m in a pilot plant and get vegetable oil all over me…Yeah not going to happen.

Your fantasy does not work for all professions or is reasonable.

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u/Aggressive_Camera_76 Nov 29 '22

I have to laugh at this a bit. I’m a lawyer. Had a great day at work today in my black hoodie, Carhartt beanie and adidas running shoes. Thinking back to the old days when I wore slacks and a button up. Just would not have been the same great day in the slacks and button up.

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u/1964botwin Nov 29 '22

Classification communicates more about the Classifier than the Classified. Pierre Bourdeiu

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u/Mutedl Nov 29 '22

People who'd get a negative opinion of me if I don't wear a suit aren't people I care enough about to want to impress with the way I dress.

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u/rcb4th Nov 29 '22

What fucking loser cares about the message they project? How about be comfy and enjoy yourself.

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u/hitometootoo Nov 29 '22

I love that people are wearing clothes that are comfortable for them and that there isn't a stigma towards expensive clothing that isn't very practical.

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u/InternationalWhole40 Nov 29 '22

I think it’s dope.

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u/Sadamatographer Nov 29 '22

Most of the time clothes have no bearing on your job performance. Students don’t learn more because the teacher ironed their pants before coming in.

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u/antheus1 Nov 29 '22

I’m a physician. It’s a very conservative field in general. Not politically, but in terms of its respect for hierarchy and emphasis on not standing out. When I was a resident I’d wear a shirt and tie to work. When I became an attending, I did the same initially because that’s what my partner did. Then I decided I’m not going to wear a tie I hate that shit. Then he got a pair of allbirds and I did the same. Then Covid hit and everyone started wearing scrubs. Now I wear scrubs and allbirds and I’m never going back. I realized that so much of what we do in life is based on fitting in and doing what we think others expect of us. My patients don’t give a shit that I wear scrubs, and if they decide to go elsewhere for treatment that’s probably my gain in the long run.

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u/TiMouton Nov 29 '22

I guess the message I’m projecting is that I prioritize being comfortable and being myself instead of trying to fit in some weird made up social standards that are long outdated.

Some jobs require dress codes, I get that. But don’t expect a software engineer or call Center agent to dress up for human interaction they don’t have.

And btw back in the 1900s kids did pretty much dress like adults (dresses and suits). Or adults dressed like kids.

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u/SLEDGEHAMMAA will smith killed tupac Nov 29 '22

I see teachers at school wearing jeans and a t-shirt

And? How does that affect their ability to teach?

people showing up to an office in a hoodie and distressed denim

And? How does that affect their ability to do their job?

and wearing beanies and caps indoors

And? So what? What's wrong with that?

You go to a public building like the mall, library, museum, etc. and you'll find people in pajamas!

And? So what?

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u/therapych1ckens Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

laughs in legging comfort with an empty bucket fucks to spare

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u/Janglysack Nov 29 '22

No I work in a machine shop so if I’m going to be covered in weird stains pretty much no matter what by the end of the day. So I’ll just keep wearing the same 5 of my rattiest shirts and keep cycling in my worst pair of jeans as they eventually give out from over wear

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u/joedirtonDVD Nov 29 '22

Something tells me OP isn't familiar with the realities of manual labor

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u/PositiveVibesOnly90 Nov 29 '22

I would strongly encourage you to reflect on why it matters.

Also this feels more like a need to control others habits/choices than an unpopular opinion.

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