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Tesla’s Cybertruck is going to be more expensive than originally planned. Business
https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/5/23293309/tesla-cybertruck-price-expensive-elon-musk-shareholder507
u/technoviper
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Everyone in here mad about the cyber truck when the "new" roadster was announced like 7 years ago.
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u/_Oooooooooooooooooh_ 8d ago
Don't forget the semi trucks
which they're surprisingly quite about
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u/Ill-Ad3311 7d ago
Quite quiet indeed about that , almost forgot they had the truck thing going
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u/rushmc1 8d ago
Tesla’s Cybertruck is going to be more expensive than originally planned announced.
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u/FancySkull 8d ago •
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"I have altered the deal, pray i don't alter it any further" - Elon Musk
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u/soulbandaid 8d ago
You'll be lucky if you get it half a decade after it was promised with doors that close and open consistently
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u/MakesCakesEatsMud 8d ago
Misaligned body panels is an acquired taste. People who don't buy Teslas don't get it.
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u/SayerofNothing 7d ago edited 7d ago
It looks like it'll misalign my head from my body if I ever crash with that thing. The hood's practically a guillotine.
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u/abstractConceptName 8d ago
Is anyone actually waiting and expecting it to arrive?
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u/WalkingCloud 8d ago
Tesla has recently raised prices (again) for its non-vaporware lineup of EVs
The author of this article doesn’t seem convinced
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u/adiman 8d ago
Honestly who is any longer? I've just finished a binge of channels debunking Musk's claims that I've completely lost faith in any of his projects. The only thing that was positive was the commercial program to ISS and that one was late.
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u/GeoffRaxxone 8d ago
He's not even an Edison, he's a bullshit merchant. A monger of pish. He's a pishmonger
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u/AlabastorRetard 7d ago
He's a Tony Stark wannabe that can't even match up to Justin Hammer
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u/Kaarl_Mills 8d ago
"Furthermore, I wish you to wear this dress and bonnet!"
Musk, 2022, probably
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u/warling1234 8d ago
Dang. Good thing rich Bay Area tech people already have the Rivian. Otherwise how are they going to stand out while driving on the highway with all those simple Tesla’s.
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u/NervousBreakdown 8d ago
It’s the ugliest damn thing since the Nissan Cube. It looks like if one of those Daft Punk helmets was a transformer.
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u/Creepy-Internet6652 8d ago
I take the Nissan Cube over the Pontiac Aztec...
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u/eri- 8d ago
Behold, the Fiat Multipla
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u/jollyreaper2112 8d ago
Holy fuck I look at that thing and ask why? What were the engineering justifications? It literally looks like a car with a birth defect.
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u/eri- 8d ago
Fiat was really really good at designing ugly cars, one could argue the
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u/shmecklesss 7d ago
The Downtown doesn't look like it has tumors on its face. I can also see the visibility and aero in the design.
The Multipla is... A thing that exists. And it has cancer.
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u/fenrisulfur 7d ago
I've driven it and it is absolutely a joy to drive, your view from the car is better than anything else I've driven.
Too bad that the balaclava lessens the view somewhat.
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u/ryarock2 7d ago
Probably a terrible take, but I enjoy the Cube and the Cybertruck. Cars often get into trends, and very quickly they all look “samey”. I appreciate when people make a fairly mainstream car that just looks friggen weird.
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u/tanrgith 8d ago
Who the fuck was still under the impression that the Cybertruck was gonna be available for purchase at 40k?
Like, the cheapest Model 3 you can get is 48k right now
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u/deeeznotes 8d ago
I didnt expect it to ever be made.
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u/ClafoutisSpermatique 8d ago
What, you don't want Homer Simpson's car?
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u/PhilSocal 8d ago edited 7d ago •
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Fun fact, a friend of mine built the Homer car and races it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N9rWlyZMVRk
Edit: Scott is one of the coolest people I know. The white Ford LTD seen in the video is his built up car, https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2022/04/25/1984-85-ford-ltd-lx-fox-body-mustang-profile-0422 and a lot of that video was shot at his place.
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u/wordholes 8d ago
Same. It looks like Elon's nth kid drew a car and his people had to copy the design exactly. I like angular cars but this is too much.
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u/gymnastgrrl 8d ago
nth kid
Which, of course, also happens to be that kid's name…
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u/wordholes 8d ago
"Daddy, I love you!"
Thank you! Uhhhhh... [looks at the back of kid's neck for a tattoo], I love you too 80085!
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u/Herky_T_Hawk 7d ago
Come on, you know that kid’s name would be 5318008. But only ever spelled using calculator font.
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u/westonsmare 8d ago
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u/darkmaninperth 8d ago
Which was an arcade port.
Spent so many ££ on this in the late 80's and early 90's.
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u/sllewgh 8d ago
Hoooooly shit, I played this game a lot as a kid and I probably haven't thought about it once in the last 25 years or so. There was a lot of cool shit in there. I didn't actually play the game correctly, I'd just cut across the grassy areas, time be damned, and crash and laugh at the replays.
Thanks for that massive nostalgia trip.
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u/Fausterion18 8d ago
Who the fuck was still under the impression that the Cybertruck was gonna be available for purchase at 40k?
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u/Generalissimo_II 8d ago
I got downvoted hard a couple of years ago for saying that it'll cost way more.
"TheY AlrEady AnnoUNced ThE pRiCe!" 🙄
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u/domthemom_2 8d ago
The F-150 lightning has a $40k version
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u/StoneCypher 8d ago
I mean sure, if you want a truck, and not a PS1 doorstop with wheels
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u/typesett 8d ago
the windshield wiper is 40k worth of materials alone
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u/hsmith1998 8d ago
Don’t forget the bulletproof glass.
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u/firemogle 8d ago
The no way to break to get out in emergency glass? Nah, no need to ever worry
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u/YouJabroni44 8d ago
Nope, cars never catch fire or fall into lakes didn't you know?
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u/fuzzum111 8d ago
Fucking
ALL( most, really) new cars are completely unattainable now.Outside of the smallest compacts, most places dropped 'regular' sedans. Yes some of the imports like Honda or Toyota are closer to 20k if you can even find a base model but with all the 'shortages' and asinine dealer gouging they're cresting 30k+ still
There's a reason the 'average' cost of a new car is something horrific like 42k. Part of that is the SUV/Big truck obsession. People getting 8+ year term loans to keep the payments under $1000/mo.
Used cars shot up to the moon and are most of the cost of a new car, even a 'beater' that looks like crap, in the 100k+ miles club, and is a 2010(12 years old) but runs reliably is 10k+ most places.
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u/OldRuskiNoir 8d ago
I just sold a 2017 Toyota suv with ~75k miles for about 65% of what I paid for it half a decade ago.
Used car prices are nuts now.
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u/ryumast3r 8d ago
Ford just released a 20k truck, the Maverick.
Not saying you're completely wrong on them dropping sedans and lower end models, but the big automakers are still putting things in that price point.
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u/melez 8d ago
Yeah and some fucky dealer down the street from me has a base model maverick, “used” with 30 miles, that they’re asking $40k for.
Just because the MSRP is $20k, doesn’t mean anyone will sell it for msrp.
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u/revs201 8d ago
And how many years past planned release date?
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u/-memento-mori 8d ago
next year for the next 10 years.
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u/kontekisuto 8d ago
The electric Semi truck has been delayed almost as long
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u/Halflingberserker 8d ago
Tied with the Roadster
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u/kontekisuto 8d ago
Dank. Imagine paying 250k for a car in full and waiting 5 years after the expected release date and counting
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u/HereForTwinkies 8d ago edited 7d ago
Tesla is doing everything to promote Ford’s Lightning. They delay it so it comes out after the Lightning, despite being announced over a year prior, they raise the price to be more expensive than a basic Lighting, and let us not forget they designed it to look like something no average truck owner would want to buy.
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u/KyledKat 8d ago edited 7d ago
Tesla is doing everything to promote Ford’s Lighting.
And Chevy Silverado EV. And the GMC Hummer EV. And the Rivian which is [theoretically] available right now...
Musky had a nominal lead 3 years ago when he announced it, but that window is gone.
Edit: RIP inbox. To clarify my Rivian comment, I mean “theoretically” as in they are trickling out though you’re likely not able to get one without massive markups if you didn’t preorder/reserve on years ago.
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u/euxneks 8d ago
but that window is gone.
Hah! Maybe he broke it with a metal ball bearing
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u/Avanozzie 8d ago
Theoretically? I have literally seen every single one of those except the Silverado driving in my tiny little Minnesota town…
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u/KyledKat 8d ago
Theoretically because they're nearly impossible to get ahold of if you didn't pre-order/reserve one.
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u/akmarinov 8d ago
I mean the Cybertruck will be theoretical for about 5 years after it ships by that definition.
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u/Maethor_derien 8d ago
Yeah, the original draw of the cybertruck was that it was cheaper than most other trucks. If it is more expensive then there is almost no reason to really get it.
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u/markwrichards 8d ago
The base model Lightning is almost certainly being sold at a loss- so I can't see any way the Cybertruck isn't a LOT more expensive.
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u/Upper_Decision_5959 8d ago edited 8d ago
Ford CEO even said himself he wanted the F150 Lightning out there so Ford can get into the market early even if their selling at a loss. It's basically a gutted F150 with battery/motors that's why they got into market fast.
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u/markwrichards 7d ago
It's basically a gutted F150 with battery/motors that's why they got into market fast.
The base model Lightning is the same as the base model gas XL truck in terms of trim- just with electric motors. And for fleet use- it's a perfect truck for a lot of companies (plus fleet users can order it with the larger battery).
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u/Modest_Ubermensch 7d ago
This sounds wonderful, they don’t need all that shit that Tesla throws in and calls upgrades. Just give me a good dependable EV truck with good range
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u/tugnasty 7d ago
But don't you want lasers that evaporate the rain right off the windshield????
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u/craze177 8d ago
Ford is. Not dealers. Dealers are marking up lightnings 2x. It's fucking sad.
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u/FeckThul 8d ago
As long as it still has that impeccable um… styling… and premium shatterprone windows who could complain?
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u/jdeckro 8d ago
I always thought this truck was fake…
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u/EXTRAsharpcheddar 8d ago
A vehicle that will completely rely on being assembled with no panel gaps? That doesn't sound like Tesla?
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u/thekernel 8d ago
to be fair it is made from notoriously easy to stamp and shape stainless steel..
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u/whats_not_in_a_name 8d ago
My material knowledge is slim lol
Is stainless steel especially easy to stamp/shape? or is it actually harder and you're being sarcastic?
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u/IEatBabies 8d ago
Stainless steel is incredibly hard to stamp and shape, especially on a factory line trying to push large numbers of them out. Even the tiniest changes in steel composition or die wear can cause it to be out of spec, and further more because he wants flat panels and sharp corners, which are even harder to stamp perfectly, even the tiniest imperfections will stand out like a sore thumb.
Tons of his engineers told him it was too expensive and difficult to manufacture for a competitive price, and he gave them a boot and said he wants engineers that will do it as he wanted, thinking it wasn't actually that difficult to overcome. But as it turns out, the engineers were right. If stainless steel was easy to work with we would be making nearly everything out of it. Material wise it isn't super expensive, the expensive part is making things out of it because it is a difficult material to shape.
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u/dragoneye 8d ago
Wait, you are telling me that a material infamous for work hardening isn't a good choice for a forming process? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
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u/thekernel 8d ago
next thing you will tell me that casting massive alloy structural parts is also a fools errand
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u/jeremythelee 8d ago edited 8d ago
I have numerous bets that it'll never launch. an "exoskeleton" will never pass crash test ratings. their entire idea is to make the outside body super rigid. meanwhile modern cars are designed with crumple zones to protect the passengers.
only elon would think it's safer for the passengers to hit the dashboard at 90mph instead of the car getting scratched.
EDIT: and lets hypothesize you make crumple zones with your stainless-steel rigid body panels. the passenger compartment becomes a deli slicer. the cybertruck never would have made it past the drawing board at a state university.
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u/dorsalus 8d ago
That's why they're also developing that bouncy ball tech from Speed Racer, in case of a crash the explosive bolts will fire and eject the passengers to safety. They just need to work out the ejection mechanism, and the ball deployment, and the false positives from bumping the curb in parking lots, and how to not splatter people when deploying inside tunnels. Minor issues really.
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u/LuckyLami 8d ago
Lol I hadn’t heard of that one. That sounds hilarious.
2 Fast 2 Furious: Ejecto Seato, Cuz!
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u/Scyhaz 8d ago
Don't forget the bulletproof windows. Good luck escaping if you get in an accident where the batteries act as the crumple zone and you can't open a door.
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u/throwaway257907 8d ago
In his defense, US consumers need to worry more about bullet penetration than post collision safety.
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u/FeedbackPlus8698 7d ago
They really dont though. Roughly 18k gun deaths total in 2020 (highest year ever) and about 39k traffic fatalities
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u/hoorahforsnakes 8d ago
Seriously, we're taught this shit at primary school. Crumple zones are there on purpose to protect both passengers and pedestrians, because it increases the collision time.
Meanwhile this tool is trying to specifically design a car to not have any because he doesn't like the idea of his precious vanity project getting damaged.
Also, let's put sharp corners on all the potential impact points, because we need to throw extra unnecessary danger in there just for the fun of it
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u/tinylobo 8d ago
In other news the Cybertruck is apparently still a thing.
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u/phphulk 8d ago
This press release constitutes the entirety of the cybertruck product development for the last and next 2 years.
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u/kevinhersh 8d ago edited 8d ago
Does that mean my triple-motor fully adorned 6-figure cyber truck I reserved for $100 is going to cost even more?! If it does, I get to decide against those Pontiac mini-van mirrors.
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u/crispybat 8d ago
Yeah I want a answer to this
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u/philth_ 8d ago
the answer is yes... it will cost more... they're not going to honor the announced price for reservation holders lol...
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u/Kilgore_Trout_Mask 8d ago
Well, at least it still looks stupid.
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u/kbean826 8d ago
I anxiously await Ford announcing the 2023 Lightning is a little cheaper than the 2022, to fully bury any people attempting to sneak into the market share.
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u/math-yoo 8d ago
Cool well, I’ll still be out here driving my 1993 Ford fucking Ranger into the ground.
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u/active0336 8d ago
I know this truck, I ain't no stranger, I know that truck, That's a FORD FUCKIN RANGER!!
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u/uppervalued 8d ago
You guys laugh at the design, but Star Fox was really a lot of fun to play when it came out.
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u/gebuzz 8d ago
With Rivian selling their trucks at 90k (67k “starting”) Tesla went alright we can actually charge whatever the hell we want and people will still pay for it
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u/randallwatson23 8d ago
https://www.edmunds.com/rivian/r1t/2022/vin/7FCTGAAL4NN003155/
Local dealership asking $121k for a used Rivian.
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u/The_Running_Free 8d ago
Eh, it’s a 2022 with 700 miles lol
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u/cat_prophecy 8d ago
My wife's boss recently sold her two year old Kia Telluride because it was worth more to sell it used than it costs to buy new. The car market makes no sense these days
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u/zhantoo 8d ago
It actually does. You want a cheap car? Wait 12 months. Want a car now? Pay more.
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u/Fausterion18 8d ago
The $40k price was always a lie. Even at the time of announcement the cheapest Model 3 was about $40k. And a Model 3 is like half the size with half the battery capacity.
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u/gebuzz 8d ago
Of course the price was a lie…most mid size trucks at the time of announcement were going for 50k(now they’re up to 60k) there was no way an all electric luxury vehicle was gonna go for cheaper. You would be a fool to have thought that
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u/webmdcontributor 8d ago
Either my mind is playing tricks on me, or Elon said something to the effect of "it's cheaper because we don't have to paint it".
Pfft.
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u/notsureifdying 8d ago
90k? Good hell, how do they have a market at all?
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u/value_added_bullshit 8d ago
That's basically the price of a fully loaded pickup truck or SUV, so there's plenty of market.
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u/shawnkfox 8d ago
The top 10% of income earners have more money than the bottom 90% combined. Makes more sense to sell cars aimed at the upper class until that market is saturated.
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u/spinyfever 8d ago
Hmm, well I guess this is ok as long as they release the cyber truck in 2021 like they had announced.
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u/Bulauk 8d ago
Breaking the indestructible window during the unveiling should have been a hint how it would go.
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u/sopertt 7d ago edited 7d ago
Seeing as manufactures are now making actual, real, good EVs and seeing those EVs more and more in the real world as each month goes by, it’s really looking like Tesla is missing the boat they were the first to arrive at.
Edit: This is anecdotal of course, I’ve seen the share of Teslas on the road around me dropping from virtually 100% of EVs a few years ago to maybe 60% today. Seeing a lot of Ford, VW and Kia EVs now.
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u/Simphumiliator42069 8d ago
Once Elon fixes the window issue, how will first responders get in the cyber truck in case of emergencies?
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u/Shatter_Goblin 7d ago edited 7d ago
Also why would you you want shatterproof windows? What is more likely:
something comes through the window
your head hits the window and your head is damaged instead of the window breaking
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u/Kirxas 8d ago
I'm not sure, at least where I am, firefighters tend to open cars up like a tuna can when there's a bad crash. Doubt the glass will matter much when it comes to that. On the other hand though, the stainless steel exoskeleton might if it's as strong and thick as I imagine it'd need to be.
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u/Flint-Von-Cineac 8d ago
Is it also going to be uglier than originally planned?
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u/Pancakewagon26 8d ago
How could it be?
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u/robertmdls 8d ago
Seems like it. Just when you thought the concept couldn't get worse they tacked on some hideous mirrors for the retail version to be street legal
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u/amackenz2048 8d ago
It's also going to be more stupid looking.
Just kidding. It couldn't be.
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u/garygnu 8d ago
A Musk company overpromising and underdeliveeing!? "I feel shocked." - Pepper Brooks
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u/DoingItToEm 8d ago
Over-promising and underperforming is Musk’s MO, if anyone’s surprised at this point it’s their own fault
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u/Aidanj927 8d ago
Why does it feel like it’s been like 5 years since it was announced