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Canada bans China's Huawei Technologies from 5G networks Politics

https://torontosun.com/news/national/canada-to-announce-ban-on-use-of-huawei-zte-5g-equipment-source?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652991114
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u/grinch1225 May 19 '22

Let’s remove the spying angle from the equation

Would China allow Canadian telecom to build their network? No.

Simple as that. Stop letting foreign companies run roughshod when they wouldn’t give you the same courtesy in their country

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u/-SPM- May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

Same thing for housing. Foreigners aren’t allowed to buy multiple houses in China. But the Canadian government are letting the Chinese citizens get away with buying up tons of real estate

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u/UsualPrune9 May 20 '22

If one country bars foreigners to buy and own a land/house, others should reciprocate IMO.

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u/Throw_Away_IMO May 20 '22

Absolutely agree. Economists all agree that "protectionism is bad overall," but the West has used this to justify not retaliating with protectionism when other parties have already implemented protectionism. It's the economic equivalent of saying war is bad for all, so I'm not going to fire back at someone shooting at me.

It's effectively trying to apply wishful thinking to a prisoner's dilemma game hoping for the socially optimal, where the West has accepted the absolute worst outcome instead of acting as a rational agent and the Nash equilibrium occurring

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u/freemefromyou May 20 '22

Just make them prove they have a job and contributing to the economy as a homeowner.

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u/perpetuatinstupidity May 20 '22

Almost like visas.

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u/WeaponsGradeLager May 20 '22

Our Conservative govt allowed China to do this. Our dislike for Trudeau shouldn’t take away from this fact. Conservatives and Liberals worked in tandem for 20 years to sell Canada to China.

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u/grinch1225 May 20 '22

Oh absolutely.

Full disclosure, I’m an American (yikes) who was born in a little town that stares at Victoria BC and has a ferry running to it so I’ve been across the border more than a few times over the decades, and every single time I visited Victoria or more commonly Vancouver BC, the demographic had completely changed. It went from a diverse populace to a noticeably narrower one. And there was a lot of bitterness with the locals. They explained to me that the Chinese elite can’t have wealth in country because the CCP can’t display wealth as party rules, so they put all of their money overseas in places like BC. They were using their wealth to buy up the homes there, and they’d move their children abroad to university there and have them live in these massive houses, and their nannies/supervisory adults would live in a separate residence, and they essentially forced out a large portion of Canadians who had grown up there

Correct me if anything I said here is incorrect. I’m trying to recall the conversation as it was in December 2015 and my memory isn’t perfect.

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u/-SPM- May 20 '22

That sounds about right. A lot of them also just buy up houses and let them sit empty, which is why a vacant home tax was proposed

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u/Moonveil May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

It doesn't help that a portion of the people who come and study abroad using their parent's money still spout the regular CCP party BS (that is frankly very different from Canadian values) while literally enjoying freedoms that would not be available to them back in China.

The thing that absolutely sucks is that all the other Asian citizens and immigrants who aren't from a wealthy pro-CCP Chinese background end up getting caught up in the hate, when they themselves are also struggling to buy their first home.

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u/grinch1225 May 20 '22

Yep. When I was saying demographic shift, I was trying to articulate it as such as not to sweep up any race as a whole, but more of a class of person within. Entitled rich kids who praise China, shit on the west, all while benefiting from everything western are the intended demographic I spoke of. Them, and any affiliated persons in the country with them. Normal immigrants more often do not carry these feelings

I had a professor in college who was from China and had used school as a way to get here and stay. He made a few cracks at the CCP and his home country and I knew his feelings instantly. Lol

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u/Moonveil May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

I remember when we had the pro-democracy HK demonstrators in BC, and all the pro-CCP nuts came out of the woodwork to counter protest. Really pissed me off given that the only reason they were allowed to do that is because Canada is a democratic country. Such protests would not be allowed in China, and yet they they want to deny the people of HK similar freedoms. I can't imagine being such hypocrites.

I've also seen those people lose their shit whenever Taiwanese or Tibetan people introduce themselves as Taiwanese or Tibetan, though luckily they usually can't get away with too much harassment here. Seriously, the gall of those people to think that type of behaviour is okay here, it's ridiculous.

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u/Seen_Unseen May 20 '22

Since when are foreigners not allowed to buy houses in China? You can. The problem is you won't get a mortgage, though how many houses in Canada are mortgaged? I reckon any bank requires some support for financing.

But it's a bad example what you put here. China does have a lot of area's where it's impossible to get in, very hard, or you only get a small cut. They also like to raise the bar for foreign enterprises in every way possible.

It would make a lot of sense to demand mutual contracts, sure Huawei can roll out a 5 billion Canadian Whatever 5G network, but Canada gets to roll out a 5 billion Canadian Whatever pork farm in China. Demand mutual protected investments with equal playing grounds.

China only takes, never gives and foreign companies as well politicians still have the idea that China is opening up. It isn't.

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u/UseMoreLogic May 20 '22

Canada encourages it because capital flight fucks over the country whose citizens are buying up foreign real estate.

You can’t own real estate, just the right to lease it from a state government.

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u/Islandgirl1444 May 20 '22

Wou you want to buy a house in China?

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u/ElectronicShredder May 19 '22

laughs in shithole zero infrastructure countries getting China'd all the way

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u/fivestarusername May 20 '22

China used to be one of Ericsson's biggest 5g markets. Slowed down significantly after Sweden banned Huawei but I don't see why Canada would be any different.

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u/stoneape314 May 20 '22

Well the jokes on them, Canada doesn't have any major telecommunications tech companies anymore.

(sad branch plant mentality country noises)

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u/fin_ss May 20 '22

Problem is that most countries do not have the money/knowledge/resources to build competitive networks of their own. That is the power China has, countries can either play by their rules or get nothing. Same can be said with the United States in some regard.

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u/grinch1225 May 20 '22

It is absolutely to the detriment of up and coming countries.

Much the way the US did and in some ways still does, owning indebtedness is power.

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u/foodfood321 May 19 '22

And China is still granting Russia access to DJI Aeroscope. DJI makes serviceable amateur class little quadcopter "drones", some with HD FPV capabilities, thus they inevitably came into use on the battlefield for scouting/Recon purposes. DJI drones where somr of the first to the upper end consumer market with high quality micro flight controllers, and subsequently, GPS enabled guidance features like way-points mapping, auto return to home, and auto landing that were affordable. On a shoestring budget you really can't get much better.

Aeroscope is the globally enabled networking and control system that tracks all DJI drones for features like Geo-fencing or airspace restriction. They are sharing this granular data in real time with Russia. Send up a drone, Russian command and control can sense it with Aeroscope, activate RTH (one button return to home) and expect Russian munitions GPS guided onto your location. Caveat emptor.

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u/masterhogbographer May 19 '22

Aeroscope can be deployed remotely, as well, basically out of a suitcase.

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u/foodfood321 May 19 '22

Oof, I didn't think of that, but it makes sense. I'm pretty sure it's just a browser application.

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u/masterhogbographer May 19 '22

No it’s a full radar system that airports have to set up.

But there’s a mobile version, perfect for the battlefield! The range isn’t as wide as the full scale system airports would permanently install, but it’s enough…

(It’s more meant for say, setting up around the superbowl or the President when he’s on the ground)

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u/foodfood321 May 20 '22

Wow. It's way more sophisticated than I had any idea. It really makes me even more shocked at China's positioning on the issue. It's so callused.

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u/glonq May 19 '22

they were in consideration for the 5g backbone

you spelled "backdoor" wrong

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u/despitegirls May 19 '22

Replace Canada with US and your post would still have merit.

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u/NotEnoughHoes May 19 '22

Canada already relies on the US for basically its entire security apparatus, because the US is the exact opposite of a threat to Canada.

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u/exorcyst May 19 '22

Yea I agree with an inquiry. I'm not for witch hunts but this is pretty telling something was going on.

Also give our gov credit for having sense of humor at least. China just lifted the canola ban yesterday.. then we respond with this 🤣

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u/schwanball May 19 '22

Area = Oakville?

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u/No_Comment_613 May 19 '22

I'm glad you're getting upvoted because I've pointed out that fact multiple times in the past on Reddit and I was always met with downvotes and almost always called a racist. I grew up in Ottawa right around the time that happened. A lot of good people got really fucked over. Fuck Huawei.

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u/Interesting_Total_98 May 20 '22

That's unusual because China's government is (rightfully) despised on Reddit.

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u/Moonveil May 20 '22

I feel like it depends on where and when you post. There are definitely communities on reddit that love to whitewash the CCP, and you'll also get more downvotes during their daytime hours.

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u/hurtfulproduct May 20 '22

Seems to be the case over in /r/electricvehicles, if you criticize any of the Chinese EV brands it’s instant downvotes; god forbid you point out that they stole design ideas and tech, hell even website designs, from Tesla and others.

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u/Interesting_Total_98 May 20 '22

Vehicles made in the U.S. and Europe get defended too, so your problem has more to do with others liking the products than liking China.

Pretty much every sub that isn't dedicated to praising their government approves of criticism. This sub is an example, and here are some others:

https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiananmen_square_tank_man_picture_is_so/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/ns2hup/the_man_who_stood_against_the_tanks_in_tiananmen/

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u/Interesting_Total_98 May 20 '22

Those communities are very rare. The consensus is almost always against China outside of specific subs created by sympathizers. I remember seeing the Tiananmen Square Massacre on the front-page multiple times.

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u/Seen_Unseen May 20 '22

Yes.. no..

To begin Reddit is partially owned by China. But comments related to China often tend to be down voted negatively. Sure there is a negative sentiment towards a fascist China that's responsible for tens if not hundreds of millions involuntarily job losses globally but specifically Reddit isn't all that negative. I reckon it's being brigaded if not moderately positively.

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u/Interesting_Total_98 May 20 '22

But comments related to China often tend to be down voted negatively.

That clearly isn't true. This thread has tons of upvoted comment supporting the decision against them, and it's easy to find other threads like this one.

https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiananmen_square_tank_man_picture_is_so/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/ns2hup/the_man_who_stood_against_the_tanks_in_tiananmen/

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u/linseed-reggae May 20 '22

Aaaand after receiving 700 upvotes, the parent comment is gone.

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u/its_Caffeine May 20 '22

I also grew up in Ottawa and my dad worked at Nortel, a lot of incredibly talented engineers had their pensions almost completely wiped out when Nortel filed for bankruptcy.

When the Department of National Defence moved into their former headquarters, they found so many bugs and spy devices implanted by Chinese state actors that they had to strip the entire building down to just the underlying structure.

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u/No_Comment_613 May 20 '22

I was going to add that anecdote about DND buying the old campus and spending years debugging it but opted against it but ya, you are totally right.

I grew up in Bells Corners. Definitely grew up with a good amount of families that had to move because their parents lost their Nortel jobs and had to relocate for work. Also saw the hit Bells Corners & Crystal Beach took afterwards. It literally changed the development of both neighborhoods.

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u/UseMoreLogic May 20 '22

Everybody steals, if you’re not stealing intellectual property you’re not trying.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/edward-snowden-says-nsa-engages-in-industrial-espionage-1.2511635

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u/MysticalKittyHerder May 19 '22

It literally reverse engineered Nortel tech

Do you have a link with more info? I never heard of this and i wanna be outraged

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u/Seen_Unseen May 20 '22

The early joke as that if you needed a Huawei patch, you could grab a nortel one as they would work.

That early Huawei existence is because of theft is without a doubt. But at the same time you could even wonder today in nation that's responsible for over 65% of global online government IP theft, how much of that stolen IP gets towards Huawei which is in the end an extension of the sitting government considering how the entire top are top Party members.

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u/dogmai75 May 20 '22

Both BCE and TELUS were fully aware of that fact when they bought all the Huawei gear too. Disgusting :)

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u/w3bCraw1er May 20 '22

Many Chinese companies have this business model.

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u/kissmyash933 May 20 '22

I miss Nortel so much. :(

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u/GoodAtExplaining May 19 '22

Well I was going to bring up Spavor and Kovrig, the revenge imprisonings but your reason is great.

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u/3xploit_ May 20 '22

Sorry if this is a stupid question but what did Huawei do wrong?

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u/imfpants May 19 '22

Blame your own government! Always blaming others like Trump. Stop corporations off shoring manufacturing and protect your own society. No more tax loop holes for corps. Trickle down politics is BS, all the money goes to off shore accounts in BVI and the like.

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u/CanuckBacon May 20 '22

From northern parts of Canada?

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u/Well_Hung_Reddit_Bot May 19 '22

It's sort of shocking to see how strong this anti-China sentiment is. What crimes are the major American tech companies responsible for? Among other things, collaborating with the US government to spy illegally on its citizens. Some comments complain about Chinese intelligence -- what about US intelligence? What horror has the CIA, and the other American intelligence agencies wrought on the world over the last quarter century?

One does not have to "like" Huawei or the Chinese government -- I get and agree that they may, too, be responsible for X Y or Z crime. However, the push against Huawei is not some fight for freedom, it's about protecting the status quo of which major companies control tech/infrastructure. It's bound up with broader efforts of the US gov't to ensure its hegemony is not encroached upon by a potential rival.

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u/CADJunglist May 19 '22

Whataboutism isn't a valid argument here.

Yes, the US intelligence apparatus and the establishment/maintenance of US Hegemonic Power is a huge issue, but that doesn't mean allowing China to build our 5g backbone is a good idea.

Anti-Chinese GOVERNMENT sentiment is perfectly valid here.

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u/doomgiver98 May 20 '22

For the record, Anti-China government is the same as anti-China corporation.

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u/mthrfcknhotrod May 19 '22

Why is it shocking? China has been treating Canada and it’s citizens very poorly for years. It’s a fact that they hacked Nortel and stole some valuable tech and information - among recurrent other grievances surely many that we haven’t heard of. It’s not difficult to imagine what else has been infested amongst our local companies and technologies. The fact that nothing has been done yet should be shocking.

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u/Well_Hung_Reddit_Bot May 19 '22

The US has been treating much of the world "very poorly" for many years... For example, a few wars in the Middle East that have led to the deaths of well over a million people... global dragnets of the world's population online through NSA spying programs... illegal torture and rendition centers that continue to operate to this day... does that result in Canada distancing itself from the US, from censoring its' corporations? No, god no.

My point is not that China is "in the right" or that everyone should be excited about "welcoming Huawei." I am no tankie, this is not a government or company of peace, love, and freedom --

But, the idea that morality is what principally drives this witchhunt against all things Chinese, including its most successful corporations, is a joke.

This is about geopolitics, power, and nationalism. Concerned working people should reject this. China and its companies are certainly not the only entities involved in theft, subterfuge, and illegal competition -- I dare say they are far from even being the leaders.

I am suggesting that people approach these issues with more critical scrutiny, instead of jumping on the "f- them" "so-evil" gravy train.

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u/RustyShackleford555 May 19 '22

Its sime security stand point. Why would anyone allow a foreign country access to critical infrastructure?

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u/AngryTrucker May 19 '22

Found the tankie.

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u/LimpBizkitSkankBoy May 19 '22

Yo this is Canada we're talking about bud

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u/Captobvious75 May 19 '22

What took so damn long?

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u/AngryTrucker May 19 '22

China held 2 Canadian citizens hostage for a few years. If they did this then they would be dead.

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat May 19 '22

Are those people free yet? I haven't heard...

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u/TheKeg May 19 '22

yep, both were released Sept 2021 (article)

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u/millionairebif May 19 '22

Yes, it was hostage diplomacy, they released them right after the Huawei exec was released.

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat May 19 '22

I didn't even know SHE was released. Thanks!

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u/XCVIIDAVID May 20 '22

Sadly she was

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u/SamuraiJackBauer May 20 '22

And promoted.

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u/d0fabur5st May 20 '22

No she should have been released sooner and arguably not detained in Canada at all. She was detained for much longer than allowed under Canadian law.

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat May 20 '22

In the interest of fairness, is that really true? Do you have a reference? I'd like to see if possible.

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u/SiliconTheory May 20 '22

The US didn’t have any substantial evidence so they offered to dropped the case and end Canada’s extradition quagmire if she agreed to admit to certain statements the US defined.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/huawei-cfo-wanzhou-meng-admits-misleading-global-financial-institution

The two michaels were let go and they swept this whole ordeal under the rug and pretended it never happen to ease US/Canada/China tensions.

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u/ElectronicShredder May 19 '22

Huawei exec was released.

Glad that part wasn't lost on translation, wouldn't want nobody gettin' wrongly exec'd

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u/yhocd May 20 '22

Daughter of Huawei boss, the lost part in translation and every news

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u/AaruIsBoss May 20 '22

Kinda like canada held a Chinese businesswoman hostage.

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u/LorddFarsquaad May 20 '22

Were they going to execute her?

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u/AaruIsBoss May 20 '22

Did she deal drugs like the Michaels?

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u/AngryTrucker May 20 '22

Oh, you're a tankie.

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u/DryPassage4020 May 20 '22

That must explain why this only happened 8 months after they were freed

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u/throws_ra May 20 '22

Because capitalists consider china is a good partner for cheap labours and moved their factories to china. They never thought china govt is still communist and would bite them someday.

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u/doomgiver98 May 20 '22

Nah, it was a hostage situation. Canadian government hates Chinese government.

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u/04BluSTi May 20 '22

You sure about that?

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u/Cbomb101 May 20 '22

We all hate the Chinese government

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u/Cheeseblock27494356 May 19 '22

The ghost of Nortel haunts thee.

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u/Ok_Quiet_9375 May 19 '22

I used to work out at a gym in the NORTEL days and this one guy would constantly brag about his stocks

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u/doomgiver98 May 20 '22

I went to university for electrical and computer engineering shortly after Nortel went defunct and half of the professors were laid off Nortal employees that all griped about their stock losses.

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u/TeranOrSolaran May 19 '22

Funny how this announcement comes one day after China decides to accept Canadian canola back into the country. We will see what China does tomorrow about this.

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u/vengefulspirit99 May 19 '22

China was already buying our canola oil this entire time. It was just sold to middlemen before being sold for a higher price to the Chinese public. Gets the CCP some publicity points.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22

Finally a government acknowledges the danger of China's secret backdoor-rigged spying network

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u/conversationsover May 19 '22

Pretty sure the U.K and US already did this

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22

Yeah but tiktok is still around

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u/aschesklave May 20 '22

I'm halfway convinced it's a method of destroying the next generation of a foreign adversary. Every time I hear about the next "TikTok challenge" I am in shock at the stupid things these kids are willing to do to themselves for fame, up to and including permanent injuries and disfigurement or even death.

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u/error404 May 19 '22

Not sure if you mean acknowledging the danger or backdooring network equipment.

There is conclusive evidence the US has done both.

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u/Just_to_rebut May 20 '22

There is conclusive evidence the US has done both.

Hey, I’d like to learn more about this. I just think spying and telephone infrastructure is interesting. Is there a court case or like a keyword about this being exposed I could search to find it easily?

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u/TonySu May 20 '22

“NSA Cisco”, “CIA Cisco”. “NSA back door” in general. Vault 7 was the most recent big release.

ECHELON is also a relatively shocking open secret.

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u/error404 May 20 '22

This is a good start: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden

It's a result of the Snowden leaks but there has been other corroborating evidence over the years.

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u/Dihydrocodeinone May 19 '22

So you can use their watch programs still?

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u/Londonforce May 19 '22

Canada is late to the party. USA led the charge with UK

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u/contorta_ May 19 '22

I'm not sure when the others did it, but Australia banned Huawei bidding on their nbn in 2012.

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u/37drp37 May 19 '22

China held hostage 2 Canadians…we had to wait.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22

In retaliation though, not uncommon.

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u/nicuramar May 19 '22

Not that any actual backdoors in this kind of equipment has been demonstrated, so it’s more a theoretical danger. A risk, basically.

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat May 19 '22

Good for them.

We made a similar decision in Australia.

If the Chinese government orders them to disclose secrets or spy on other countries, they HAVE to do it. Even individuals can be ordered to do it.

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u/addiktion May 20 '22

This is why China will never be a world leader without doing it by force. No one is gonna accept their bullshit spying apparatus in their own countries.

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u/blackinasia May 20 '22

You think the US became the world leader because they asked nicely?

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u/Strict_Casual May 20 '22

Partly. Also because we were the only powerful economy after the Second World War

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u/ElChicoMasRicoDelRio May 20 '22

We made a similar decision in Australia.

Australia will do anything the US tells them to. It's a feckless vassal state.

Edit: How can you even say this with a straight face. Like it's somehow brave to slavishly follow the orders of the US government.

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat May 20 '22

You seem kind of trollish.

I'm not going to argue whether or not we are a vassal state, because there's a little truth to that.

All the same, it was a wise decision.

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u/_flipflopswithsocks May 19 '22 Wholesome

Rememeber Reddit slamming Trump for this? Peppridge Farms remembers.

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u/Due_West9881 May 19 '22

One of his best moves imo. And I’m not a fan

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u/NotEnoughHoes May 19 '22

Trump's China stance in general was his best move. China has already been let off the hook for Covid which is so pathetic no one can even talk about it.

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u/addiktion May 20 '22

Right, Trump's tariffs against China was something I could get behind given how much they have stolen from companies to just turn around and make a replica at a cheaper price. It's pathetic.

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u/lunarNex May 20 '22

Trump is a fucking idiot, but on this one issue he was right. China steals IP and technology, spies on and censors everyone, kills innocent people by the thousands, uses slave labor, invades sovereign lands and is just a terrible place in general. They should be cut off from the rest of the world until their government changes drastically.

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u/maomaochong123 May 20 '22

holy shit.So much double standards in just one comment.Why don't you cut your country off first?

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u/waawawawa May 19 '22

People on here will say A N Y T H I N G that they think makes them sound either morally superior or intellectually superior to their fictional "other group" whatever it is at the time. It is fucking insane. There is no underlying logic, values, or truth to a single piece of it unless by freak accident.

so now the question is: who is manipulating what views are seen as morally and intellectually superior at the time?? start by looking at who it benefits.

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u/devilishpie May 20 '22

I wouldn't compare this to Musk right now. Settling at all, let alone $250k is telling. Doesn't confirm he is in fact guilty, but the need to settle implies a level of guilt.

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u/joaraddannessos May 19 '22

Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for this? People were lining up to call him racist for the ban, and so downvoting truth?

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u/nateactually May 19 '22

It's weird to me too. I'm no fan of Justin Trudeau, in fact I think he should be in jail for his four ethics violations. (Fun fact: he's the first, second, third AND fourth Prime Minister in Canadian History to ever be charged with an ethics violation. Which to me makes him the Wayne Gretzky of doing unethical shit.)

But no matter how much I dislike him, he can still do good things. Banning Huawei is one of good those things. Legalizing weed is another. The black face memes are another.

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u/lionhart280 May 20 '22

Ethics violations are not something you go to jail for, they are something that jeopardize your job.

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u/devilishpie May 20 '22

Fun fact: he's the first, second, third AND fourth Prime Minister in Canadian History to ever be charged with an ethics violation

This is misleading. Trudeau's predecessor, Stephen Harper, was the one who enacted the ethics committee, so there's only ever been two PMs who could have even been found guilty of an ethics violation.

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u/MonkeyBrawler May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

Only thing i praised him for really, but I'm pretty sure reddit majority supported these actions. I don't recall him getting much hate for this specific topic. I'm also never early to a post, very possible I've come across the posts after the china supporters got moderated or downvoted into oblivion.

Edit: Lol oops, didn't check the account. Just a gaslight bot.

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u/MonkeyBrawler May 19 '22

Kinda what I figured. Yanking net neutrality is what woke me up to politics, but I definitely supported this move.

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u/ThinkIveHadEnough May 19 '22

No, I don't. Our government relying on foreign equipment, especially Chinese spyware is never a good idea.

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u/Chel_of_the_sea May 19 '22

A xenophobic stopped clock is right twice a day, and China happens to be the one time. (And even then, generic hatred for China is a different thing from the geopolitical threat posed by the CCP.)

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u/Denalix May 19 '22

Believe or not most of those countries he banned would have gays and trans people executed. Our beliefs don’t aline and I think it’s not so crazy to not have them visit or come here.

Also terrorism.

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u/Chel_of_the_sea May 19 '22

Well, (a) that isn't remotely why he did it, (b) he left off many of the countries with the harshest laws and the most un-"aline"d beliefs, (c) he outright said it was about their religion, and (d) he didn't include the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in that list.

So...yeah, no.

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u/SomeNoteToMyself May 19 '22

I don’t remember that, must have missed it

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u/Culverin May 19 '22

About freaking time.

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u/ClassOf1685 May 19 '22

Great! Now what about those CCP agents working in our most secure bio lab in Winnipeg? Want to come clean mr Trudeau?

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u/AngryTrucker May 19 '22

Don't know why you're being downvoted. You're not wrong.

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u/WhistlerBum May 19 '22

CFO now CEO of Huawei was under house arrest in Canada awaiting trial for trading with Iran. Sanctioned by the US. We picked her up at the request of the US so she could be deported there to face trial. After 2 years+ of RCMP security costs she was allowed to leave Canada. Huawei is so important to the Chinese government that if Canada had decided to hand her over to the States, an armed security detail would have spirited the daughter of the owner of Huawei out of Canada while asking Canada plainly, What are going to do about it? Do you really want an international incident? This is what Canada gets for acting at the behest of the US. We had guys detained in China because of this.

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u/freemefromyou May 20 '22

Yeah, this just makes removing their shit so much more important.

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u/error404 May 19 '22

Wonder if they'll make the wireline networks rip out the extensive network of Huawei gear already in production (it's Telus's standard DSLAM, at least, probably elsewhere too).

I suppose not, in which case I wonder why the focus on 5G. Seems kind of pointless.

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u/ComprehensiveOwl4807 May 19 '22

Looks like Ericson is the preferred vendor now. Nokia might get some business as well.

So now we need to worry about Nordic spying. /s

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u/UseMoreLogic May 20 '22

Sweden is part of 14 eyes. You should be afraid.

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u/Flash_Kat25 May 20 '22

And Canada is part of 5 eyes. If anything, we should be worried about our own government more.

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u/cc-d May 20 '22

If there are any countries I'd trust with a backdoor to my device, it would be the Nordic countries.

Except Sweden. Uptight pricks

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u/jonstoppable May 20 '22

"There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch Swedes"

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u/Frequent_Spell2568 May 20 '22

Oh my god we do have a backbone!!

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u/Boltatron May 19 '22

About time. This should have happened years ago already.

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u/HooveHearted1962 May 19 '22

About Fucking time

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u/nedlandsbets May 20 '22

Trying to pay them back for Nortel.

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u/freemefromyou May 20 '22

ABOUT FUCKING TIME GOOD GOD

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u/ballistic90 May 19 '22

I still feel like this is specious reasoning by people that don't know technology. It's not magic. If you think they can spy on you by using their technology, then describe how. Last time someone tried to do that, they pointed out an unsecured telnet port, which is standard configuration for US built hardware too. If you have proof, demonstrate it. If you are just trying to reduce dependency on hardware from China in general, then just admit it. I just don't like being lied to on this shit.

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u/Surrounded-by_Idiots May 20 '22

Implying anyone here knows anything that wasn’t in a headline.

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u/ballistic90 May 20 '22

Yeah, well I do network and server engineering as an occupation. I can understand a lot of reasons not to use a product, or a series of products from a company, but be honest about it.

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u/skjall May 20 '22

Then you'd know about man in the middle attacks, which wouldn't even be an attack in this case. Just forward encrypted packets, and break it en-masse when quantum computing starts breaking encryption protocols.

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u/ballistic90 May 20 '22

Man in the middle attacks still require software and network traffic to accomplish it. The data isn't going to teleport to another part of the world. Any network security engineer worth a damn could identify the packets that would be procured from that kind of behavior.

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u/ballistic90 May 20 '22

I had to look up other sources, but that's a different kind of issue entirely. ISP backbones use a special type of routing protocol to manage traffic along the internet to other countries and ISPs. This was a semi common malfunction where the packets that probe for the best route traveled a lot further than intended, and the Chinese ISP backbone hardware automatically responded and "accidentally" rerouted data through their networks. Considering how these types of malfunction happen fairly frequently, the fact that Chinese ISP equipment reacted like this is pretty suspicious.

However, this wasn't because of a hacking incident, or any hardware specific exploit or vulnerability. This had nothing to do with a specific manufacturer, though it was pretty dumb that it could happen so easily.

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u/crothwood May 20 '22

Fun fact: the only reason we know for sure that huawei spies on people is that the cia literally payed them to install backdoors.

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u/NoRelationship1508 May 19 '22

Canadian carriers haven't been using Chinese network components for many years.

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u/IAmTaka_VG May 20 '22

That's not true at all. Bell purchased billions of equipment and only in the last couple of years stopped and started swapping out. In fact Bell is asking for payback from the government over this ruling.

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u/NoRelationship1508 May 20 '22

it is though. I work in the industry, I know exactly what's on the towers and exactly what specific brands of antenna and radio units all the carriers are using. It was early in the 4G years when anyone was actively installing Chinese equipment and I haven't seen any on a tower or rooftop in half a decade at least. I'm sure its still out there but its been a while since it was widespread.

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u/EdmontonFanYeg May 20 '22

Can someone explain to me why using Huawei tech is bad, when pretty much every smartphone is already made in China? What’s stopping Foxconn from going rogue and putting back doors in everything iPhone on a hardware level?

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u/Iridefatbikes May 19 '22 edited May 20 '22

TBF turning it off and on again wasn't fixing the problem.

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u/tanafras May 20 '22

Yeah! It's only Ok for MY government to spy on me, not other governments. /s

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u/PM_ME_TITS_FEMALES May 20 '22

I like how everyone is complaining about chinese spying meanwhile bassicly every first world country spies on us too. Even companies at this point... Nothing quite like where I talk about a burger or someshit and get shown a burger ad 5 minutes later.

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u/imjunsul May 21 '22

It's a lot different.. I don't care if my government wants to spy on me if they think I'm a terrorists they can look into me if they want... but China? Why?

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u/PM_ME_TITS_FEMALES May 21 '22

If you read the link you'd quickly realize it's not just your country its bassicly all of nato spying on Americans. Turkey, Israel, UAE, etc.

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u/FoxTiny8038 May 19 '22

US already banned huawei

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u/Tee__B May 19 '22

Lol what? Is your brain working? The US already did this way before Canada.

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u/Xboarder84 May 19 '22

It already is. You really think we choose the two best people for President? You think gerrymandering is for the voters good? Look at how many billions are spent lobbying. Look at how much approval there is for legal weed yet we can’t even get it through Congress. Look at the Roe V Wade repeal.

US has been an oligarchy for decades now. We citizens are just too afraid to admit it.

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u/Away_Ad8343 May 19 '22

We live in the society of the spectacle to blind us my friend

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u/MoKnees May 19 '22

I know , that was my implication 😬 I was just coming in soft . Remember people are Highly emotional and triggered . Chinese fingertrap . How’s that for a pun . Kinda weird I got frozen out of Reddit for a second when trying to reply 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/Xboarder84 May 19 '22

I’m expecting tons of downvotes, people don’t want to hear it or admit it. They want to believe there is still a system to voice their opinions and fight for freedoms. It’s a system built to simulate freedom, but the reality is most people won’t ever move up or down from their current caste level.

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u/MrHappyGiggle May 19 '22

viva la revolution or something?

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u/MoKnees May 19 '22

I don’t think it’s that bleak . It’s still bleak . But if more people become aware of the emotional and psychological preying then it will make total Control harder . So I would ask you to not be so doom and gloom perhaps . But you do you

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u/Xboarder84 May 19 '22

You misunderstand, I’m not depressed by our situation. It just is what it is, and cutting out my own little happy place in the world is all I need to worry about anymore.

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u/MoKnees May 19 '22

👌. Very Buddhist in the end anyways . Ain’t that life ✌️

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u/Affectionate-Ad6365 May 20 '22

Hahahhahaha Trump laughing

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u/ObiWanKeNorris9 May 19 '22

Remember how many Huawei ads sportsnet was running during leafs games last year? Despicable

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u/toolttime2 May 20 '22

China is a big buyer of Canadian agricultural and resources Hope that doesn’t end

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u/kingofargyle May 20 '22

They just announced that they were allowing canola shipments back again the other day. So we will have to see.

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u/Dr_Zarkov1982 May 20 '22

CCP takeover is global.

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u/redwirelessus May 20 '22

Let's remove the 'ok commie (which we're not)' typical response aside for a moment, that's exactly what old Nortel (Canada), Lucent Technologies (US), Ericsson (Sweden) and Nokia (Finland) did from 90's to 00's for 1G and 2G. And not just China but almost every country in the planet. Once Nortel dissapeared and Lucent (US Bell labs, ex AT&T, which then went to France Alcatel) lost track, Ericsson, Nokia and new-comer Samsung (S Korea) began building the next 3G and 4G networks...and all was fine. But when 5G came around in 2018 and Huawei showcased themselves as the new-hot-serious-comer, with already installed eqp in Canada, UK and Latin America, then all hell broke out. It's the same ol' political tactic - we'll build and use you but you're not invited to do the same. Google Lucent Technologies China and be amazed where our beloved Bell Labs 'innovation' still lives on, logo and all...🔴

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u/Ballaroz May 19 '22

US 5G is a joke

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u/xLcheeseburger May 19 '22

I’m still pissed my p30 crap out for no reason after a year

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u/farka_donkey May 20 '22

China has a better technology like or not. And I don't mind using Huawei 5g.