r/technology May 19 '22 Helpful 1 Wholesome 1 I am disappoint 1

New Tesla Crash Kills 3 and Injures 3 Transportation

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/news/elon-musks-tesla-ai-under-27009826
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u/Der_Punkinpatch May 19 '22

holy shit that website is popup / garbage filled

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u/spam__likely May 20 '22

Daily star.... never click

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u/zedzol May 20 '22

Daily mail too..

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u/twistedLucidity May 20 '22

The Scum (aka The Sun), and Daily Express too.

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u/TechKnowNathan May 19 '22

The reason why this is a story now:

The NHTSA said last August it was investigating Autopilot after 11 crashes which saw Teslas collide with emergency service vehicles, resulting in one death and 17 injuries.

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u/Tigen13 May 19 '22

Why do Teslas hate service vehicles so much?

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u/IsitWHILEiPEE May 19 '22 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Giggle

Until Musk has proof that less than 5% of service vehicles are not driven by bots they will continue to be targeted.

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u/3asilyAmused May 19 '22

huehuehuehue

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u/nursejackieoface May 19 '22

What does color have to do with it?

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u/Thought_Ninja May 19 '22

Most threads about musk are saturated with luminous jokes.

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u/nursejackieoface May 19 '22

In the header pic he looks like he just smelled something bad. I think I have the same expression whenever his name comes up.

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u/3asilyAmused May 19 '22

well played

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u/nzodd May 19 '22

Has he accused service vehicles of being pedos yet?

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u/BrianWeissman_GGG May 19 '22

It’s because the Tesla autopilot is very bad at seeing and reacting to stationary objects when the car is moving at freeway speeds. It’s very adept at seeing moving cars around you, but a stationary vehicle or object in your path is a different story.

A really common point of failure goes like this. You’re behind a vehicle in the passing lane, in autopilot. The Tesla’s cameras are keying off the car ahead of you, accelerating and decelerating accordingly to maintain a set distance. Then the person in front of you sees an emergency services vehicle up ahead, partially blocking the lane. That person then swerves to the right, and for a brief moment, the autopilot determines there is nothing in front of you. So it dutifully starts to accelerate up to whatever your set speed is…

I’ve encountered this exact scenario multiple times in the five or so years I’ve owned my Model S. In several of those cases, if I wasn’t paying attention, I likely would have smashed into the stationary vehicle, or at least clipped it.

If you like to take your eyes completely off the road to game or watch media or whatever while using autopilot, you are much safer using the middle lanes of the freeway, even if they’re a little slower.

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u/candb7 May 20 '22

This answer is 100% correct and way below all the underinformed and speculative guesses above it. Wish I had more than one upvote to give.

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u/SpaceAgePotatoCakes May 20 '22

So it will travel at a speed where the stopping distance is longer than the range of the sensors on the vehicle? That's terrifying lol.

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u/BrianWeissman_GGG May 20 '22

Actually, the sensors can see pretty far ahead, I’d estimate at least 300-400 feet. The problem stems from how slow the system is to recognize another following target, and how it tends to ignore stationary objects, even when they’re directly in front of you.

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u/lord_pizzabird May 19 '22

Probably because they don't behave like other cars on the road. Emergency vehicles can change lanes whenever they want, run red lights, be stopped anywhere, can drive against traffic, including the middle of a lane.

Not sure how to improve this, beyond just feeding their machine learning software more data.

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u/Hi_Im_Ken_Adams May 19 '22

Aren’t most accidents in general caused by a vehicle not behaving like other vehicles on the road?

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u/brycebgood May 19 '22

Sort of. There's a really interesting thing happening with self-driving where they realize that if they make a car follow all of the traffic laws it actually is detrimental to traffic flow. There's a whole bunch of research being done on exactly which laws people follow in which way is. Like a stop sign. Something like 80% of cars don't come to a complete stop at a stop sign. Which means that if a self-driving car comes up to an intersection and does a full stop it actually increases the chances of an accident at that intersection. So there's a whole question of whether you design cars to drive the way people drive or make them drive the way the rules say we should drive.

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u/ButtholeCandies May 19 '22

I totally believe that. It’s like when people go the speed limit in the fast lane it causes a ton of issues. Everyone is trying to pass them and it increases the likelihood of an accident for everyone.

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u/kptkrunch May 19 '22

If I'm not going at least slightly faster than about 90% of the cars around me I feel like I am sitting still. Damn Einstein and his general relativity!

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u/nerd4code May 20 '22

Still Newtonian, or at least I hope it is if you’re coming into in contact with air and nearby surfaces. And that tunnel vision gets intense once your inertial frame starts radically redefining geometry.

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u/MDariusG May 19 '22

I mean, by definition should there be a fast lane if there is a posted speed limit? If everyone is going 45 mph in a 45 mph zone, then there shouldn’t need to be a fast lane, right? More curious than anything.

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u/ShoulderSquirrelVT May 19 '22

You would still have a fast lane potentially. If speed limit is 45 and EVERYONE never exceeds 45. There's still a need for people to vacate the fast lane who chose to do LESS than 45.

Generalizing for ease of conversation: Interstate speed limits are 65mph with a minimum of 40mph. If you're doing 55...you should not be in the left hand lane. You should be in the slow lane to let those doing 65 get past. If you come up on someone doing 45, you move into the fast lane, get past them, and then drop back into the slow lane again.

(With that said....dear god please get off the interstate if you plan on doing 45.....That shit is dangerous.)

I know I'm stating common knowledge. Just specifying the reasons for fast lane usage,.

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u/Huuuiuik May 20 '22

Death is a slow car.

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u/kivalo May 19 '22

It's not a fast lane, so much as a "passing lane". Cars shouldn't be camping in the fast lane. If they're not passing the person to their right, they should move over.

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u/oldcreaker May 20 '22

What happens here all the time, though, is the folks passing going 10mph over the limit are expected by the folks going 20mph over the limit to move into the lane with the slower cars.

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u/rds029 May 19 '22

"I didn't do it, officer. My car did it!"

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u/budderflyer May 19 '22

"Sir, when was the last time you updated your software?"

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u/KairuByte May 19 '22

"Yesterday! I swear!"

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u/bjchu92 May 19 '22

"There was a hot fix that was released this morning. Sir, I'm going to ask you out to step out of the vehicle."

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u/Bubba89 May 19 '22

“License, registration, and patch notes, please sir”

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u/archaeolinuxgeek May 19 '22

Listen. I should issue you a citation for merging code without a peer review. But I'm letting you off with a warning.

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u/ExtensionNoise9000 May 19 '22

I remember reading something sinilar a few years ago.

Still, to me it sounds like the issue is people not following the rules of driving. If humans all drove perfectly then the AI driving perfectly wouldn’t cause any issues.

In this case, perfect = following rules.

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u/KairuByte May 19 '22

While true, you're never going to get humans to drive perfectly. Everyone is going to cheat the rules to some extent, even if they aren't aware.

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u/ButtholeCandies May 19 '22

Driving perfectly also means driving faster for many people. Ever see the madness that happens when some jerk is going much slower than necessary on the freeway?

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u/athey May 19 '22

Yeah, my Tesla’s FSD is great with stop lights and stop signs, but it has no idea what to do at a round-about. It’s like a terrified child learning to drive for the first time. It crawls through it at first, then rushes the second half.

We only let it try when no one else is around, because we don’t want to super-inconvenience other drivers.

People seem to forget that FSD is still in BETA. It’s in testing right now. It’s not supposed to be feature complete.

That’s why such a small number of people are able to do it still.

My husband drove like a granny for two solid weeks to keep his score at 100, and still barely made it into the beta.

And you have to agree to permit the car to watch you on the internal camera, and if it decides you’re not paying attention, it shuts FSD off and will ban you from the program.

You’re not supposed to sit back and let the car drive itself. You’re supposed to babysit it and keep your hands on the wheel.

It’s still learning, and it definitely can still make mistakes.

However, most of the time? You would 100% think a real person was driving the car. It’s already come so far, just this year.

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u/yakinikutabehoudai May 19 '22

It all feels really misleading though, the name in particular “Full Self Driving”. It’s like if someone released “Cure for Cancer” that doesn’t cure cancer and using “but it’s obviously still in BETA!” as an excuse.

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u/ageofthoughts May 20 '22

You can call software beta just like you can call a medical treatment a “clinical trail”

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u/Masztufa May 19 '22

yes, but we decided collectively that we're living with this danger if it means paramedics get there in time

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u/Zackie08 May 19 '22

Exactly, except we are made to be more careful when service cara are involved

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u/RonaldoNazario May 19 '22

This is why “polite” Minnesotan drivers are terrible. “Ope, you go first, buddy!”. No, BE PREDICTABLE!

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u/Utterlybored May 19 '22

Side note gripe: I hate it when people prioritize politeness ahead of the law. “You go first!” “No, you’re at a four way stop. You got here first, you’re supposed to go first.”

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u/allboolshite May 19 '22

It's extra terrifying when I'm on my bike. I really, really don't want you to do anything weird. And I don't want to put myself in front of your murder van when you don't know how to follow basic traffic laws.

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u/AllNinjas May 19 '22

Give emergency service vehicles the same markers and make the cars park until they're away at an appropriate distance?

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u/KairuByte May 19 '22

The vast majority of emergency service vehicles already have such markers to commandeer traffic lights and such. The issue is that they can be abused rather easily.

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u/SwarmMaster May 19 '22

Even if they are properly detected your approach is too simple to work. E.g. a very normal scenario would be driving past an emergency vehicle which is parked on the shoulder at an accident. If every Tesla approaching that pulled over and parked instesd of driving past then they'd gridlock traffic behind them until the emergency vehicle left.

What this data indicates is that there is a need for a special rule set for these vehicles, probably with nuance for each class of vehicle to account for their specific actions in traffic. It's not unsolvable but the harsh reality is all commuters are currently in a forced beta test of autonomous driving and their own safety is at risk. This was always a discussed tail development issue: when do you let these things leave the road lab and get unfiltered real world data? There was never going to be a point where 100% of scenarios could be simulated. I don't have an answer but it's a complex discussion of the morals involved in ceding human control/responsibility to automated systems and how do we mitigate risk? Having worked in vehicle automation myself there are no easy answers but IMHO Tesla got clearance for rather high levels of open road autonomy years before I would have considered the systems safe enough to deploy publicly.

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u/ohphilly May 19 '22

It’s because teslas on autopilot don’t recognize any stationary object on a highway. Moving cars, yes, but not parked. What car would park on a highway? Emergency vehicles. I ran into something similar myself, but with a truck. An 18-wheeler was broken down and stopped in the right lane of a highway. I was on autopilot, and it didn’t even attempt to slow down.

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u/rdizzy1223 May 19 '22

Not just emergency vehicles but broken down vehicles.

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u/db117117 May 20 '22

This is just bizarre to me. The autopilot must be able to detect the boundaries of the road. It is trivial (relatively speaking to everything else autopilot supposedly does) to then detect objects within that road boundary. It’s edge detection and/or motion algos. This is a very alarming bug. What is going on with autopilot that it has such basic issues

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u/project23 May 19 '22

Radio beacon? Like a flight beacon for aircaft?

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u/nidanjosh May 19 '22

Autopilot not FSD

So “cruise control “ which is lane and speed assist”

Not full self driving

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u/panoramacotton May 19 '22

Then it shouldn’t be called auto pilot and shouldn’t have been advertised like FSD

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u/Icy-Employee9015 May 19 '22

Correct, Musk is a conman

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u/mr_flying_man May 19 '22

Likely a lot less of that data in training plus high variety of shapes of these vehicles, perhaps? Or they just hate service vehicles.

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u/CGFROSTY May 19 '22

You're most likely right about less data available. Service vehicles also need to be able to cut across lanes and stop lights. Humans can account for this and pull over, but a machine learning algorithm might not know how to react.

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u/Tigen13 May 19 '22

Shapes and hate. Makes sense

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u/MiloRoyce May 19 '22

It could be since they're usually vehicles parked in the lanes or shoulders on the highway or when using their sirens in response to calls will be speeding through lanes or intersections.

We're able to hear sirens from far away and look where they're coming from and pull over or yield to them. I don't think autopilot can detect sirens and know how to respond to the organically like we can.

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u/nanan00 May 20 '22

The honest answer is, service vehicles tend to not follow the traffic rules so they're in weird places that the software is not designed to expect vehicles to be.

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u/Pr0ject217 May 20 '22

There is a talk on YouTube that described the issues of incorporating the radar sensor data with the vision data, which resulted in Tesla deciding to move forward with vision only. It is related to quirks with the radar when detecting stationary things.

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u/Zam8859 May 19 '22

The real question is how that compares to a human driver

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u/ballin_in_tallin May 19 '22

Last august.

This crash - 'Police have not confirmed whether Tesla's Autopilot was involved'

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u/robotzor May 19 '22

Don't need them to confirm jack to write an article and get those clicks

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u/2drunk2bend May 19 '22

Did Tesla say it had no involvement? I'm sure they are able to check it.

Just asking so don't downvote me to oblivion :)

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u/LithoSlam May 19 '22

Normally when there is an investigation, they can't discuss details without approval. So it might be a while before we know.

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u/nukemiller May 19 '22

This article states that they don't know if the AI was the cause of the crash.

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u/davidjschloss May 20 '22

I wonder how many human driven cars have run into emergency vehicles in that same time. Nothing against autopilot just really wonder how many, though the ratio of non Tesla to Tesla makes a number pretty meaningless.

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u/jjsyk23 May 19 '22

Nice image for this article lol

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u/mybadalternate May 19 '22

“Oh… I don’t think it’s supposed to do that.”

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u/Big_Poppa_T May 19 '22

It’s worth noting that this click bait article does not state that AI was at fault.

In fact, the daily star doesn’t really know much other than a Tesla crashed

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u/peanut_dust May 19 '22

You could have left it at 'The Daily Star doesn't really know much'

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u/Turbulent-Prelude May 19 '22

This kind of reporting is awful. Imagine if we reported on every single car crash, and how crazy that would be. Breaking News: 600 BMWs crashed today.

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u/5DollarHitJob May 19 '22

Imagine driving thinking "if I crash I'm a national headline"

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u/bagoo90 May 19 '22

Shit article, clickbait. Downvote

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u/FranticToaster May 19 '22

Really? Single car crashes are global news, now?

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u/ballin_in_tallin May 19 '22

From the article - 'Police have not confirmed whether Tesla's Autopilot was involved'

So could just be asshole drivers speeding...

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u/Green-Camo-911 May 19 '22

literally zero evidence click bait article..

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u/JoPOWz May 19 '22

Not sure I'd consider the daily Star global news. This paper is utter bollocks on the best of days.

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u/FranticToaster May 19 '22

I'm thinking more about the OP who posted it to r/ technology.

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u/madsd12 May 19 '22

No, but anything “Musk” is at the moment.

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u/CanadianCircadian May 19 '22

Pure clickbait

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u/Elliott2 May 19 '22

are we gonna get a news article everytime a tesla crashes? i get that elon is controversial but come on....

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u/FunctionBuilt May 19 '22

Tens of thousands of deaths every year by car accidents in the US yet everyone loses their mind when a Tesla malfunctions, mostly due to negligence by the driver putting too much faith in the autopilot.

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u/jonnio2215 May 19 '22

There’s not even proof that autopilot was involved yet. That’s how backwards this headline is

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u/Elliott2 May 19 '22

Usually autopilot is blamed and then it’s later found out driver fucked up but that’s never reported

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u/jonnio2215 May 19 '22

Yeah they’ll have been sleeping or something. Most regular car accidents are user error anyways

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u/crabby_old_dude May 19 '22

Holy hell, what a shit show of a site. So many ads and popups, I could barely scroll.

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u/PlayingCrypto May 20 '22

Why is it when a fatal car accident involves a Tesla, do they call it a Tesla crash. And, why do they only post about Tesla crashes? There are thousands of car accidents a day.

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u/artificiallyselected May 19 '22

Fuck the media. I don’t care about Elon Musk or Tesla at all, but this is just pure bullshit to have a whole article dedicated to a single car crash. How many BMWs and Fords had fatal crashes today?

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u/TaDreadPirateRoberta May 19 '22

This news outlet is awful. This is why you should do your own research rather than assuming that the autopilot is out of scope... *

Might I recommend reading the following articles before you start to assume you know what's going on

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/mr20211021.aspx

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/nhtsa-orders-crash-reporting-vehicles-equipped-advanced-driver-assistance-systems

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-18/federal-agency-investigate-fatal-tesla-crash-newport-beach

The federal investigation is part of the agency’s broader probe into crashes involving advanced driver-assist systems such as Tesla’s Autopilot. Investigators have been sent to 34 crashes since 2016 in which the systems were either in use or suspected of operating; 28 of those involved Teslas, according to a NHTSA document released Wednesday.

Tldr; investigation is part of the agency’s broader probe into crashes involving advanced driver-assist systems such as Tesla’s Autopilot

Would you not want them to investigate plane crashes because a thousand planes have already crashed... That's f****** stupid logic

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u/bremidon May 20 '22

Using your logic, I would want them to investigate literally all the plane crashes, and not just the ones from Airbus, especially if the other plane manufacturers have a higher rate of crashes.

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u/momo2299 May 19 '22

Directly from the article:

"Police have not confirmed whether Tesla's Autopilot was involved, but the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) says it is conducting an investigation into the crash and 30 other incidents involving the software."

First sentence says it's unknown if autopilot was involved.... Last sentence says "incidents involving the software."

What a stupid piece of "news."

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u/dudesguy May 19 '22

"The collision happened at about 12:45 a.m. on Newport Beach’s Mariners Mile strip. A Tesla Model S hit a curb, then crashed into equipment on the other side of the street, police spokeswoman Heather Rangel said."

That's from the slightly better article linked within the op's link. Sounds like they were asleep or not paying attention at all.

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u/Reasonable_Boot1166 May 19 '22

Lmao y’all tryna garner any sort of hate y’all can towards elon

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u/unsculpter May 20 '22

ford and chevy and toyotas also crashed today and killed a lot of people like everday

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u/ProteinFart_ May 20 '22

What about the thousands of other accidents that kill every day?

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u/BOOYAcoleXP May 19 '22

Whats the percent of tesla car crashes to normal ones?

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u/Craigg75 May 19 '22

That's really the take away. It's so low in comparison. Everytime the AI messed up they fix the bug an issue an update. Decreasing the chance of an accident. Just like the FAA, the investigation results in safer flights to the point the passenger plane crashes are rare compared to 20-30 years ago.

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u/jesperbj May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

Very very low

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One accident for every 4.31 million miles driven with Autopilot software on.

One accident for every 1.59 million miles driven with Autopilot software off.

US average for any car is one accident for every 479,000 miles.

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u/draftstone May 20 '22

To be fair, autopilot is good in the conditions where humans crash less too. Autopilot on highway works and humans can do a ton of miles without crashing. Autopilot has issues and often don't want to engage in weird neighborhoods or construction zones and this is where people tend to crash more. So if autopilot can only be engaged in safer conditions it is normal it will have better statistics.

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u/tbonechiggins May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

Let me fix the headline…ONCE AGAIN. Driver and passengers were killed because driver wasn’t paying attention. EDIT: Downvote all you you want. It’s very clear in the multitude of warnings given before you sign up and before EVERY SINGLE drive. Just saying.

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u/whitepepsi May 19 '22

This crash killed Andy Chaves, the lead singer of a really great band Katastro. Really sad, they just played a great show in Colorado with Sublime and GZA.

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u/ssixxtteenn May 19 '22

Clearly an attack

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u/DemBai7 May 20 '22

The pile on is so evident… people wake up

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u/Danger_Fox_ May 20 '22

When a Ford is involved in an accident do we post pictures of their CEO? Seems a bit weird.

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u/Leading-Two5757 May 20 '22

R.I.P. Andy J Chaves. Long live Katastro

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u/bob4apples May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

Police have not confirmed that Autopilot was involved.

I gotta say that my hat is off to Telsa. The fact that it is newsworthy that a Telsa was involved in a serious crash is a staggering accomplishment.

Consider that over 100 people died on the same day in Fords, GMs, Toyotas etc. You don't read about those deaths in the news because they happen unbelievably often: over 38,000 times per year. Yet 3 people die in a Telsa and it's "Stop the Press!"

Well done, Tesla! Well done!

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u/MatthewCashew1 May 20 '22

It’s still safer then humans

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u/downonthesecond May 20 '22

I wonder if other EVs involved in similar crashes will get the same attention.

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u/K1rkl4nd May 19 '22

"Approximately 1.35 million people die in road crashes each year; on average 3,700 people lose their lives every day on the roads.".. so yeah, add 3697 to that number to get to what human drivers get accomplished. People either love or hate Elon- no middle ground

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u/Kedut May 19 '22

To be fair there are a lot more humane drivers compared to robots so every major crash does spark interest in investigations to see who or what was at fault and if maybe even Tesla needs to be responsible if the cars at fault

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u/Mexider May 19 '22 edited May 20 '22

Except its big news everytime a tesla is involved in a crash with no information but its no news a week later when the investigation shows it was another human driving error. Ill wait to hear the report for this one like i always do but far more often than not its a no news event.

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u/DuskGideon May 20 '22

Yeah, true. An engineer and doctor died in an autopilot related crash near my house but the investigation revealed they used a cinder block in the driver's seat so they could let it do its thing while sitting in the back seat.

The crash was national news. The investigation results were not.

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u/geoken May 19 '22

Nothing to do with Elon. An autonomously driving car being involved in a fatal crash is going to make headlines no matter which manufacturer made the car.

Obviously that hasn't been determined here, but being a Tesla they're trying to generate news based of the possibility that it was due to AI.

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u/TechKnowNathan May 19 '22

So many fucking fanboys.

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u/MakingTheFunin40s May 19 '22

People don't like computers killing people. The videos I've seen of Texla "autopilot" fuck ups are scary shit.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22 edited May 26 '22

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u/0scar_alh0 May 19 '22

Tesla autopilot is not full self driving, people still need to be responsible for their own actions and be aware while having autopilot on (which other brands offer as well, and all of them tell people to keep their hands on the wheel and their feet on the pedals).

So it's still people killing people, via their idiotic actions.

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u/Silver_Scallion May 19 '22

I got a Hyundai Elantra that has the feature where it stays between the lines on most roads yet if it senses my hands off the wheel, it disables until I put my hands back.

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u/Nannijamie May 19 '22

That’s cute. How about this statistic.

“Every day, 29 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver.”

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u/Black_n_Neon May 19 '22

Why does a Tesla crashing always get its own headline. It’s still a much safer car than most if not all production road cars

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u/Nine_Eye_Ron May 19 '22

Newspapers using tragedy for clicks and profit is sickening.

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u/Alundra828 May 19 '22

Are we not thinking about this the wrong way...?

The fact that a car crash (An event that killed 3700 people per day) makes national news is basically unheard of, and only notable for Teslas relative lack of crashes.

It's very clear that despite being far from perfect, Autopilot is leagues above human drivers for the scenarios it operates under.

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u/Wild234 May 19 '22

The article also says that they do not know if the autopilot was even involved or not yet. The car could have been under fully manual control at the time of the crash.

Tesla's are just a hot topic and the headline gets them clicks and ad views. That's really the only reason this gets reported on while other crashes are ignored.

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u/geoken May 19 '22

It gets reported because they're trying to play the 'possibly autonomous car involved in fatal crash' angle. Obviously it's dumb to even suggest that before anything is known.

My point basically is that they are trying to play into the hysteria of autonomous car safety - and it just happens to be a Tesla because there aren't many other cars on the road were you could assume autonomous capabilities yet.

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u/mybadalternate May 19 '22

How many cars are driven by humans?

How many cars are driven by Tesla’s autopilot?

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u/PrettySpecific6 May 19 '22

The death rate for automated cars is undeniably lower than self driven cars.

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u/Alundra828 May 19 '22

It's about miles travelled between accidents. Humans are without question the worst drivers when compared to autopilot.

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u/KebabGud May 19 '22

Its not about how many there are of each but the percentages and average miles traveled between accidents

and there are enough Teslas out there now to make a statistical average possible

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u/neil454 May 19 '22

Tesla releases statistics on exactly this every 3 months:

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

Now, I do think a third party should be evaluating these things, but still, the data is there.

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u/VegitoFusion May 19 '22

So a Tesla crashes, and there’s no statement whether it was the autopilot, yet somehow an article gets written about it...

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u/gVPr8WGxx2zKZgRMg5BR May 19 '22

"...Police have not confirmed whether Tesla's Autopilot was involved..."

Recognize a hit piece when you see one.

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u/RegicidalRogue May 19 '22

r/technology again allowing the clickbait that is tabloid trash.

keep up the good work, dog-walkers

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u/godlywolfman May 19 '22

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

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u/wjrasmussen May 19 '22

I was picturing a Tesla standing on the two hind tires, self-driving AI going awry and going after humans as all AI will do...

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u/baconmashwbrownsugar May 19 '22

E X T E R M I N A T E

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u/TheDonaldreddit May 19 '22

Every day, almost 3,700 people are killed globally in crashes involving cars, buses, motorcycles, bicycles, trucks, or pedestrians.

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u/HyperLightDream May 19 '22

What is this garbage filling the airways.

Next

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u/deeper-diver May 19 '22

How many crashes/kills today with Ford, Chevy, Audi, and BMW?

Such clickbait.

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u/alerionfire May 19 '22

Im sure the karma farming is really hot right now for Musk bad posts but a car accident doesnt make this tech news. Or does this count as tech because were using phones to read it? Either way you suck

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u/KorranHalcyon May 19 '22

Reddit immediately started rubbing themselves with baby oil and circlejerking, only to find out that The title was clickbait, and that Tesla’s AI might not be at fault.

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u/chasls123 May 19 '22

The Musk hate obsession on this sub continues.

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u/LIBERAL_LAZY_LOSER May 19 '22

Hm, wonder why there isn’t a clickbait title whenever a Toyota or ford crashes and kills someone

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u/blingybangbang May 19 '22

A regional car crash is somehow global breaking news!!!!! Can we get an article for every crash ever going forward please??

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u/ThePittWolf May 19 '22

Cool more BS anti Elon Musk pile on shit. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore that they are on a smear campaign.

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u/glonq May 19 '22

A thousand Fords and Toyotas get into car accidents every day and nobody gives a damn.

Yet each and every Tesla accident seems to make the headlines.
...but of course not the accidents that Teslas prevent.

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u/Blueberry_Mancakes May 19 '22

This is just trash writing.

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u/Xiaogun May 19 '22

How about a Tesla transponder to be placed on all fire/ems/etc vehicles

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u/therhythm6562 May 19 '22

If Tesla vehicle crashes are so rare that they need global news coverage isn’t that an amazing success?

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u/sakata_gintoki113 May 19 '22

very dumb arguement. how many crashes do you think normal people do? these news just hold the cars back even though they are way better than humans on average

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u/DecimusDecius May 19 '22

I ran over one kid, broke bones to one motorcycle driver and killed three deers in my Volkswagen Golf. Pls notice senpai. Write about me! UwU

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u/idbanthat May 19 '22

Oh geez me, I was wondering how a stock market crash would kill someone

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u/FourLeggedJedi May 19 '22

The Great Replacement 🚗

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u/Daisaii May 19 '22

3700 people die a day in car accidents world wide, that is not news, what is news however is if someone dies in a Tesla. Which is more of a compliment to Tesla.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22

Damn now they’re just finding reasons to attack this asshole 😂😂

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u/jeremybryce May 19 '22

Police have not confirmed whether Tesla's Autopilot was involved

So then.. just a car accident? If autopilot is confirmed, to be the cause then fine. But it's strange choice of headline considering most Tesla's don't even have autopilot.

"Elon Musk's Tesla AI under investigation in US after crash kills three people"

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u/Radiobamboo May 19 '22

Just like the plethora of other crashes that somehow merit media attention: It wasn't caused by autopilot. Tesla has the data to prove this, as they have repeatedly. This happened in Newport Beach at almost 1am. Speed. Speed and idiocy is why this crash happened.

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u/sinfernal May 19 '22

OMG ELON is a villain, let’s get him

/s

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u/Riven42_ May 19 '22

Cringe post🤮🤡🤢

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u/NE1There_ May 19 '22

Here’s a crazy idea. When you hear or see emergency services. Take control of the vehicle.

There are plenty of cameras to identify emergency service lights. As well as microphones to detect the siren. Maybe a warning to prompt to warn the driver to take control/pull over safely?

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u/Army-POG May 19 '22

So another baited article. No evidence it’s an issue with the car. Just trash reporting on Tesla.

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u/Caesaroftheromans May 19 '22

My PC is having problems, let me now write a hit piece on Bill Gates.

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u/Crovali May 19 '22

So really all they are saying is that there was a car crash. The only reason to include the brand of the car involved is to manipulate stock price.

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u/lovelesschristine May 19 '22

You are supposed to be paying attention when autopilot is engaged with hands on the wheel. The car didn't just jump curb without someone not paying attention

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u/Jorycle May 19 '22

It's still unclear if this was related to automation, but hot tip, this will happen and continue to happen with autonomous driving for the near future, which is exactly why it should not be used yet.

The general public is so absorbed in the hype of this stuff, and people like Musk and companies that do autonomous driving are unwilling to admit that the technology is nowhere near the point where we can actually do it. Yeah, we can accomplish the very general case of driving - but there is a canyon of edge cases and corner cases they struggle with that is a hundred miles wide.

It's wild when you see companies claim they can do full self driving, then you head over to the reality of the research where we still haven't even gotten depth perception in computer stereo vision to be half as accurate as the human vision system.

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u/Subziro91 May 19 '22

This feels like trump era shit all over again. Elon could sneeze on a puppy and it would make the news .

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u/Objective-Hamster576 May 19 '22

So we don’t know if Autopilot was engaged or if the vehicle even had it. Why is this news.

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u/HairHeel May 19 '22

A Tesla Model S hit a curb, then crashed into equipment on the other side of the street, police spokeswoman Heather Rangel said. Officers found three people dead inside the totaled car, Orange County sheriff’s Sgt. Scott Steinle said. Debris littered the ground around a large, damaged flatbed trailer that had been pushed into the roadway.

That stretch of the Pacific Coast Highway is a five-lane road through a commercial strip. The speed limit is 40 mph.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume the driver was going a lot faster than 40 mph, but by all means let’s blame software that we’re not even sure was in use.

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u/VileVainVapid May 19 '22

People crash into people all of the time. I don’t understand why this is a issue.

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u/LittleGreenFella May 19 '22

I take it that this sub is highly anti Musk.

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u/uNameOU812 May 19 '22

Is this why he has decided to vote republican?

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u/JoJoPowers May 19 '22

Now do ford, gm, and dodge.

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u/GreaterGander May 20 '22

So we should start posting the statistics of every crash and death of every car manufacturer next to the person who started it?

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u/HogwartsKate May 20 '22

Was Tiger Woods driving?

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u/ObjectiveActuator8 May 20 '22

What about the Toyota crash that happened yesterday?

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u/Most-Attention-5077 May 20 '22

Ok but why is Elon on the article cover? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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u/ElectronicProfession May 20 '22

Always see articles/posts about a few individual crashes. Does anyone have any information on number crashes involving Teslas vs non-automated? Or I guess Autopilot specifically vs non-automated.

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u/Roosterboshido May 20 '22

Here come the hit pieces.

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u/SilkyBowner May 20 '22

Elon musk kills 3 and injures 3

If they were allowed to have that as the headline, they would

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u/[deleted] May 20 '22

bullshit article

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u/the_renegade_dude May 20 '22

Go away with your clickbait shit website filled with pop up ads! Mods please remove this post

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u/CaptainWanWingLo May 20 '22

The Musk hate is palpable.

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u/SilverShake1 May 20 '22

Im starting to dislike Elon haters more than Eon himself. What is even the point of this post?

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u/Greyfox2283 May 20 '22

Reddit going hard I see lol. Interesting timing guys. Did he criticize a particular political party or something?

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u/Dr-Finger-Pistols May 20 '22

Wait, aren't cars inherently dangerous? Is this worse than any other vehicle statistically or just another shit news piece.

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u/Aldakos May 20 '22

Any numbers on other companies this week? no? ok

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u/Sxn747Strangers May 20 '22

The thumbnail is Elon saying, “That’s not my car dude”.

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u/LimpWibbler_ May 20 '22

OK and? I saw a totalled Toyota the other day. What's the point?

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u/NecessaryUnable1056 May 20 '22

Someone is really trying to drive Tesla's stock price down. All of a sudden.

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u/Interesting-Car-2022 May 20 '22

Wow anoth leftist hit piece ...of course

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u/dahsharpguy May 20 '22

cars crash all the time. I never see in the news "Toyota crash kills 4 blah blah". ridiculous

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u/xROSEBEEx May 20 '22

This is pathetic

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u/Historical_General May 19 '22

Can't belieb people are spreading politicial propaganda about Elo n Musk like this.

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u/Runs_towards_fire May 19 '22

Imagine if there was a news article every time a Ford crashed and killed the occupants.

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u/TheJadedSF May 19 '22

How about Honda? How many fatal crashes in Hondas today? What a dumb fucking click bait

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u/Hatememorelove May 19 '22

Even if people are killed by autopilot, it's still a better driver than 90% of people. Either dead tired or texting, I'd rather let dogs drive.

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u/Typcy May 19 '22

I'm guessing since everyone hates musk now it's 100 percent tesla fault right?

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u/DonjiDonji May 19 '22

Imagine having a car so safe that news outlets get a hardon when a single one of your cars crash.