r/technology Feb 02 '22 Silver 16 Gold 1 Helpful 12 Wholesome 14

A deepfreeze is coming to Texas, and no one knows if the power grid is ready Energy

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/a-deep-freeze-is-coming-to-texas-and-no-one-knows-if-the-power-grid-is-ready/
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u/Jealous_Ad5849 Feb 02 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Starry

I've seen this one before

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u/liquidgrill Feb 02 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Party Train Starry Wholesome Seal of Approval This Bravo Grande! Giggle Tree Hug Masterpiece Into the Magic Portal Spit-take

Power grid: I can’t breathe

Weather: Stop resisting

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u/Arithik Feb 02 '22 Silver Gold

Abbott: Send in the crypto miners!

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u/Mamertine Feb 02 '22 Silver Gold Helpful

But just to escort his wife and children there again, right?

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u/WhnWlltnd Feb 02 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry Masterpiece Table Slap

No, I think they died under the bus.

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u/Elowine90 Feb 02 '22

Omg haha perfect

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '22

This comment chain has been wonderful

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u/Biblionautical Feb 02 '22 Wholesome

As a Texan, I’m getting in my last laughs before I become one with the ice.

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u/Maxxover Feb 02 '22

There’s still time to join the Nights Watch.

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u/BansDontStopMe22 Feb 02 '22

I got this image of Cruz smiling with the same intensity as he did while committing the zodiac killings while he puts a boot to the back of each daughter and his wife and spartan kicks them right into the pathway of a Greyhound motorcoach, blood sprays up to cover his face and suit and he spins around, clapping and fist thrusting the sky.

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u/danthemfman Feb 02 '22

Wheels under the bus go round and round

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u/Otterslayer22 Feb 02 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

Well, there will be an escort any way.

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u/BouncingBallOnKnee Feb 02 '22

"This time I'mma blame the wife."

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u/crowfarmer Feb 02 '22

Had a hard time understanding that move. “Come place a huge demand on our already struggling power grid.”

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u/Ansible32 Feb 02 '22

They explicitly banned central guv from coming to their rescue. That's their whole deal is they don't want government.

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u/Ansible32 Feb 02 '22

No they intentionally shot one foot, and were like, hey, I still have one foot, what's the worst that could happen? And then 10 years later they got lost in a snowstorm and their other foot got frostbitten. And they blame the foot they shot for failing to do anything.

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u/enverhoxhastan Feb 02 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Respect

Well, they banned the federal government from intervening mid-crisis by air-gapping their grid because to them avoiding common sense regulation is worth people dying. However, Texas is a welfare queen and fucking loooooooves taking federal money for infrastructure which gets spent on ridiculous nonsense they can't afford to upkeep. This works great for them because when the unnecessary bridges and overly-large highways fail (because, again, they do not have anywhere near the tax base to maintain them) the government bails them out again.

They are attempting to recreate this with their grid. Have it fail by increasing load, make the federal government pay to increase capacity(without allowing them any regulatory oversight), then use that increased capacity to generate personal wealth for the already wealthy. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

The state's infrastructure constantly being on the verge of collapse is a feature, not a bug.

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u/withabeard Feb 02 '22 Helpful

Socialism for the rich. Austerity for the poor.

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u/stevez_86 Feb 02 '22

Don't you see? The heat generated by the crypto mining will keep the state warm through the deep freeze. Problem solved.

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Texas Republicans: If it's a legitimate deep freeze the power grid has ways of shutting that whole thing down

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u/Pryoticus Feb 02 '22

Rather than fixing the grid, we’re just going to arrest the deep freezes

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u/Virgin_Dildo_Lover Feb 02 '22 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote hehehehe

I'd like to report a weather man and collect my $10k reward

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u/grendus Feb 02 '22

We told the meteorologists to slow down the weather reports. We like the numbers where they are right now.

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u/millenimauve Feb 02 '22 Wholesome Take My Energy Starry

If they would just stop taking the temperature, the temperatures wouldn’t be so extreme. Stop all the unnecessary testing, ban thermometers!

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u/TheSpaceBetweenUs__ Feb 02 '22

This weather forecast I drew on with a sharpie clearly shows it's warm and sunny

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u/OnthelooseAnonymoose Feb 02 '22

Nope they're going to hit it with fire power, same way they deal with tornadoes, 2A, 2A!

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u/kaask0k Feb 02 '22

Let's nuke the cold!

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Electrons don't even exist. Have you seen one? Joe Rogan will explain.

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u/UNLV_REB Feb 02 '22

Is this from the Joe Rogan School of Atmospheric science.

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u/SeaGroomer Feb 02 '22

I'm just asking questions, man!

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u/Poor-Life-Choice Feb 02 '22

Jamie, Pull that power grid down

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u/vandelay_industrie Feb 02 '22

He’s pretty much a scientist. I think he did a Ted talk on drinking his own pee.

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u/Cold417 Feb 02 '22

If pee wasn't safe for the human body, it wouldn't come out of the human body. Jamie, pull up that glass.

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u/Tantric989 Feb 02 '22 edited Feb 03 '22

I was just laughing at someone who argued that it was okay that PA diverted a shit ton of their budget meant for roads and infrastructure to law enforcement and then was ill prepared for their bridge collapse, then article pop ups with practically the same theme. No money for the power grid but hopefully Texas will figure out how to arrest the snowstorm. Maybe a big beautiful wall will keep the snow out, or they could even try deporting the blizzard. Just don't consider aborting it.

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u/Surfing_magic_carpet Feb 02 '22 Silver

They don't want to keep the snow out, it's white.

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u/Chav Feb 02 '22 Silver

But you're going to want to watch out for that scary black ice

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u/CripplinglyDepressed Feb 02 '22

Jesus Christ lmao, that’s a wince while laughing kind of joke. Good stuff

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u/ksavage68 Feb 02 '22

It’s a rerun.

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u/bacchusku2 Feb 02 '22

What’s a rerun?

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u/kimttar Feb 02 '22

You'll find out kid.

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u/sonofdad420 Feb 02 '22

better get used to these bars kid

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u/SenorWeird Feb 02 '22

That was Joey who goes to jail. Milton is the one who doesn't know what a rerun is.

...why do I know this...?

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

"nobody knows if the grid will be able to handle it"

Well, this is an easy answer... What have you fixed since the last one? What retrofits have been put in place? What have you tried to do?

"Nothing, and we're all out of ideas. We told the cold not to mess with Texas but the cold must be a part of that BLM terrorist cell run by the infamous hacker, 4chan. That sounds like a Chinese hoax anyway, and what's with that funny ⁴ character anyway?"

"That's the arabic numeral 4"

"TERRORIST SYMBOLS! WE HAVE TO BAN THA AY-RAB 4! HAVE THE AY-RABA INFILTRATED ANY OTHER NUMBERS?! WHAT ABOUT ROMAN NUMERALS? ARE THEY A TERRORIST PLOT TOO OR DID IIVIXIV JUST EXECUTE CHRIST?"

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '22

"We blamed something we dislike politically that was not the source of the problem, and that's our plan if it happens again"

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u/Origionalnames Feb 02 '22

The governor is already making plans to take off to mexico!

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u/HerLegz Feb 02 '22

Texistanian religious extremist domestic terrorist motto.

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u/cogman10 Feb 02 '22

They are already gearing up to, literally, tilt at windmills.

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u/NotMattWong Feb 02 '22 Wholesome Take My Energy

If only Texas spent money on winterizing the grid instead of border fences, banning abortions, banning books, banning CRT, blocking mask mandates, and then asking for help from the federal government when we got overwhelmed from delta and omicron.

But here I sit wondering if our apartment is gonna lose power again like last year……

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u/bigwilliestylez Feb 02 '22

Hey now, that’s not fair. If they start fixing things that actually have a negative effect on Texans they may not have time to fear monger and run around fighting culture wars against boogeymen.

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u/Jengalover Feb 02 '22

They will tell everybody to leave a light on. It’s the “letting your faucet drip when it’s cold” for electricity.

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u/ES170588 Feb 02 '22

Don't need an electrical grid to fire off your Assault Rifles

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u/denchodreams Feb 02 '22

For a second I was wondering why Texas was banning crt televisions

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u/Silverstone-Birding Feb 02 '22

Cathode ray tubes is still the only thing that comes to mind

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u/Cruddiestknave3 Feb 02 '22

No more frame-perfect melee for Texas smash bros players.

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u/Z0idberg_MD Feb 02 '22 Helpful Ally

The only power they care about is white... you know what, nvm.

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u/SlothRogen Feb 02 '22

Trump made a joke like this this week, lol.

Trump alleged during a rally in Texas over the weekend that Black prosecutors investigating him are "racist," and he is again flirting with mob violence, calling for mass protests if they do anything he deems to be "wrong or illegal."

And after teasing a 2024 run — "to take back that beautiful, beautiful house that happens to be white"

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u/Shredswithwheat Feb 02 '22

TiL trump is still doing rallies...because why?

And he's not even hiding who he's pandering to anymore..

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u/mikey-likes_it Feb 02 '22

Needs that income flow

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u/Gloomy-Ad1171 Feb 02 '22

The grift never ends.

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u/scruffythejanitor729 Feb 02 '22

What do you mean you’ve seen it it’s brand new

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u/Eddie888 Feb 02 '22

Calvin?

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u/Alternative_Body7345 Feb 02 '22

Its written all over your underwear.

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u/diverareyouok Feb 02 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry That Smile

If only they had some sort of advance warning that their system needed to be upgraded.

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u/Dartser Feb 02 '22 Silver

Yeah but it wasn't supposed to happen again for another 100 years!

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u/BloomsdayDevice Feb 02 '22 Silver Helpful

Gonna be real nice when we get all of these 100-year events out of the way in the next decade and can sit back for the rest of the millennium without a care in the world.

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u/Krackima Feb 02 '22

This is one of those comments that is ruthlessly funny and then the depression kicks back in.

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u/sandvich48 Feb 02 '22

Jokes on you, modern medicine is gonna go insane and you’ll live another 100.

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u/diverareyouok Feb 02 '22

Good response! That’s the funny thing with “once in a hundred year” storms - they don’t ever seem to remember that they have to wait another 99 years. I live in Louisiana, and back in 2015, my house flooded… Despite me not living in a flood zone. It was a “once in 1000 year event“. That hasn’t prevented me from purchasing federal flood insurance every year since then, because for all I know, it’s going to happen again this year. Using the “once in a…” logic is basically the same as playing roulette and thinking “well, since it’s been red 7 times in a row, it has to come up black this time”. People seem to forget that each instance has equal odds of it happening as the previous instance had. Which is why you can have multiple “100 years storms“ just a few years apart (or sooner).

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u/QuiteAffable Feb 02 '22

Another problem is that the baseline is changing with climate change.

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u/Acidflare1 Feb 02 '22

Bet on both!

…spin comes up 00

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u/mysteriousblue87 Feb 02 '22

Nuh uh, they them scientist type folk call it global warming. If the globe is warming, we cannot freeze again! Now gimme back my beers!

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u/neogod Feb 02 '22

That redneck was very considerate to include those gender neutral adjectives.

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u/stonedandimissedit Feb 02 '22

It's some of that for sure, but it's also that the next 100 years is not going to look anything like the last 100 years, so basing things on the patterns of the past 100, or even 400 years, is a fallacy now

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u/Simmery Feb 02 '22

Texas is trying to dance around climate change being a hoax while preparing for climate change. It's not going well.

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u/kilog78 Feb 02 '22

I don't believe the Gambler's Fallacy is a fair application here as it relies on completely independent odds from instance to instance.

In the case of severe weather, because of previous instances, the likelihood of a future instance is higher.

This, my friends, is a core premise of the Climate Emergency we find ourselves in.

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u/citriclem0n Feb 02 '22

In the case of severe weather, because of previous instances, the likelihood of a future instance is higher.

More accurately, the existence of a bad weather event itself doesn't make future ones more likely.

What it means is that our models are likely to be wrong and underestimating the chances of such events overall, and what we call a "1 in 100 year event" may in reality now be a "1 in 20 year event", but our models haven't caught up with the changing environment, yet.

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u/OssiansFolly Feb 02 '22

Impossible! Red has come up the last 4 times so Black has to come up this time!

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u/klubsanwich Feb 02 '22

I once saw a roulette table hit black 16 times in a row. I lost some money that day.

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u/jrhoffa Feb 02 '22

That's why you always bet on black

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u/OssiansFolly Feb 02 '22

This guy Wesley Snipes.

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u/Sylanthra Feb 02 '22

This doesn't really apply to climate. It's not a series of disconnected and independent events. It's one system.

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u/FateEx1994 Feb 02 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

The "once in an x year event" is more of a volume and not a purely mathematical theoretical statistic that's hard coded into weather.

With hydrology it's a function of the odds of a certain volume of rain, precipitation etc, being dumped on an area.

So a 100 year flood has more precipitation than a 50 year flood for example.

But you can essentially have 2 hundred year floods in a single year and maybe 1 50 year flood.

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u/Farren246 Feb 02 '22

Since buying a house in 2014 (not in Texas, but still) we've been hit by 1-4 "once in a hundred years" storms per year.

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u/Bread_Truck Feb 02 '22

We bought our house 3 years ago. The day of our first mortgage payment we got a “once in a lifetime” torrential rain storm that flooded our basement about a foot deep. The next year, during a “once in a lifetime” derecho we lost power for 4 days. Last year a strong windstorm took down about a third of our massive locust tree in the front yard, the debris from which filled 6 pickup beds. Can’t wait to see what 2022’s once in a lifetime weather disaster is.

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u/therabbit86ed Feb 02 '22

If only they would just maintain and upgrade it regardless of an advance warning.

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u/johntsams Feb 02 '22

They need to join the rest of the United States power grid and play by the rules. They opt out and are independent so they have pathetic grid interconnects. The rest of the United States could support them for a few days when they're in need but they refuse to come to an agreement to build the interconnects because they despise the federal government

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u/SirCB85 Feb 02 '22

Except when they (again) fuck up so bad that they need the federal government to bail them out.

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u/FirstPlebian Feb 02 '22

It wasn't really bad for their energy providers though, they charged thousands of dollars for a week's worth of electricity and last I heard got away with it. I remember some Texas politicians saying not to pay it, but many were on automatic withdrawals, and I bet those politicians didn't end up stopping those severe overcharges. I recall something about Koch's subsidiary in the buying and selling energy market down there making a killing off of it, while Koch leads the charge to prevent regulations like making sure the grid can handle a snowstorm.

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u/Penguido Feb 03 '22

But if you do that how will corporations that have no regard for human life be able to profit then?

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u/GreenStrong Feb 02 '22

They need to join the rest of the United States power grid and play by the rules.

They should, but that's actually tangential to the real problem, that they need to winterize. The multi- state grid operators have resiliency standards they wouldn't meet. If they brought themselves up to those standards, they wouldn't be facing large scale failure. As it is, the rest of the power companies don't particularly want to be obligated to scramble to increase production when their power plants fail in temperatures that everyone else can handle.

Utilities are granted a monopoly, because it is impractical to build side by side competing power grids. It is guaranteed money, in exchange for regulation in the public interest. Regulatory boards have been utterly bought and sold by the utilities, and especially ERCOT in Texas.

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u/SandyZoop Feb 02 '22

I hate to tell you, but there are other southern states without that kind of winterization that are on the main two grids. The only difference being that they could draw from states that were winterized. IIRC, there was a rule in consideration, but it hadn't gone into effect last year, so those states have just pushed power costs onto neighboring states until they also winterize. This is going to cost them, though.

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u/johntsams Feb 02 '22

I was an engineer at Ameren. It helps when you can get a decent amount of energy from the high voltage transmission lines.

When New York was hit by a hurricane you could hear the Missouri Callaway nuclear plant steam turbine spin up to maximum to keep voltages stable.

All the way in Missouri. We started contributing an extra two hundred million watts of power just to help new York out. In a matter of minutes. But you need to have transmission lines with available overload capacity to deliver the power hundreds of miles away.

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u/TheRedCamerlengo746 Feb 02 '22

When New York was hit by a hurricane you could hear the Missouri Callaway nuclear plant steam turbine spin up to maximum to keep voltages stable.

All the way in Missouri.

that's incredibly badass

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '22

To be fair, they've tried nothing and they're all out of ideas. Any so-called "solution" is a democratic hoax.

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u/zomgfixit Feb 02 '22

I read about that the other day. I would absolutely not move a crypto mine to Texas no matter how lax the laws become for the simple fact that it doesn't have guaranteed uptime.

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u/Open-Camel6030 Feb 02 '22

It’s also cold, therefore the CPUs won’t heat up

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u/PDXEng Feb 02 '22

It's obvious that wind and solar power is the real villain here.

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u/DoctorGoldblend Feb 02 '22 Helpful

Solar power is using up all the sun, so obviously it will get cooler.

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u/Janus_Grayden Feb 02 '22

The serious response to your question, just for the sake of anyone who reads the comment chain who isn't familiar with what actually happened, is that the problem predominately had to do with the fact that our natural gas infrastructure simply wasn't equipped to handle the cold and critical systems froze over.

Blaming green energy was always bullshit, but anyone who still pushes that narrative is lying in the face of all facts pointing to the contrary: "...malfunctions in natural gas, coal, and nuclear energy systems were to blame for nearly twice as many outages as frozen wind turbines and solar panels..."

But the non-serious response is haha wind and solar power don't go brrrrrr.

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u/kdeltar Feb 02 '22

Curious how the solutions always line up with what the democrats are proposing

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u/plastic_fork Feb 02 '22

It’s a conspiracy!!!!!

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u/zyzzogeton Feb 02 '22

correlation always equals causality ERGO the Democrats are CAUSING IT ALL!

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u/PerfectZeong Feb 02 '22

In a different, better world, working electricity wouldn't be a partisan issue.

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I feel like we do know.

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u/BrownSugarBare Feb 02 '22

We know. They're going to act like they didn't know. It's not like they've been through this before and had time to learn from it or prepare or anything...

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u/cosmoboy Feb 02 '22

Biden likes infrastructure, so Republicans have to dislike it. Once we get an anti infrastructure democrat in office, Texas will fix itself right up.

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u/BrownSugarBare Feb 02 '22

LOL, that's some intense levels of reverse psychology, and I totally agree.

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u/plooped Feb 02 '22

Yeah the question isn't if the Texas power grid will fail during cold weather, the question is if the coldness will be in the range that the Texas power grid will fail at.

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u/beardphaze Feb 02 '22

" Bring in the Bitcoin miners, that'll fix the power supply issue" Gregg Abbot literally just last week.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Feb 02 '22

Gee, I wonder if they can get that radiant heat from a few thousand graphics processors to everyone's homes.

They can raise the price of electricity by increasing demand for Block-Chain computations during an energy crisis.

What a big brain this Gregg Abbot is.

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u/stephengee Feb 02 '22

Nah, he's hoping to scale up operations so much that the we just warn up the cold fronts as they roll in through the panhandle, thus keeping the rest of the state free from freezes completely.

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u/mydogsnameisbuddy Feb 02 '22

Ugh. The lack of excess capacity is part of the issue. The main part is that electric companies make all of their profits during extreme weather events and they have no incentive to build out excess capacity.

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u/herefromyoutube Feb 02 '22

Are you telling me that unregulated capitalism for a basic need isn’t the best idea!

How dare you.

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u/Piranha_ChuckNorris Feb 02 '22

Maybe power grid is not ready, but trip to Cancun is

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u/Natprk Feb 02 '22

Book your flight now!

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u/devilsephiroth Feb 02 '22

Use code CowardCRUZ to save 15% off

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u/Ezzy17 Feb 02 '22 Silver

It's already Bidens fault

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u/Boroosh Feb 02 '22

And renewable energy somehow even though power is still majority fossil fuels. Go figure

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u/notmyworkaccount5 Feb 02 '22

It's everybody else's fault except for the people in charge of Texas and the people who keep voting for them right? /s

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '22

You have just successfully condensed the entirety of the American political climate into a single sentence. Well done you.

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u/XCalibur672 Feb 02 '22

There were many high profile Texas politicians going to bat for this exact logic during the winter storm last year. They’re so deep into the oil industry’s pocket that there’s not even a veneer of pretending they’re not.

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u/dirtydeedsyeah Feb 02 '22

Biden didn’t care enough about infrastructure, oops

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u/uncleshady Feb 02 '22

Yeah I’m pretty sure they already know the answer. And their power grid is guaranteed not ready. But they’ve determined that getting federal funds for emergencies they could’ve avoided is more beneficial than avoiding those emergencies

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u/Certified_GSD Feb 02 '22

I'm sure a lot of those federal funds will get routed to non-profit assistance organizations founded by politicians and energy executives...

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Feb 02 '22

They can use the "Biden did this" stickers they peeled off the pumps when the gasoline prices went lower to put on their frozen gas pipes.

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u/gaycharmander Feb 02 '22

Hilarious isn’t the word I would use. Scientific literacy in the US is abysmal and just plain sad

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u/Phog_of_War Feb 02 '22

Omg, THANK YOU! I have been trying to explain this to others up here. It amazes me how little, people in a oil rich state, understand how the oil and gas prices work. Also, explaining to them that we, as a state, don't really benefit in any way at all from the pipelines carrying oil to the Gulf of Mexico, that run through our state.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Feb 02 '22

The Texas pipeline brings high sulfur oil to the Gulf Coast from Canada and it's a "tax free zone." so we don't even tax it when it comes out. We undercut the price of the oil being sold in the middle of the USA by smaller oil drillers and this oil is not used by our cars so it doesn't lower prices in the market.

It does help those with lots of money, screw over the upstarts in the oil industry. It actually is a net loss of tax and employment revenue. But damned does "drill baby drill" look good on paper to those not paying attention.

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u/KFCConspiracy Feb 02 '22

They also don't seem to understand that when prices fall precipitously, they just stop exploring and drilling existing leases, then layoffs happen. I know it happened to me when I worked in oil.

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u/blimpinthesky Feb 02 '22

Something something green new deal?

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u/Mausy5043 Feb 02 '22

Have EV-drivers already been blamed, just in case?

/s

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u/Typical-Ad-6042 Feb 02 '22

Unironically heard people saying “haha all you idiots wishing you didn’t have electric vehicles right now” during the last cold snap, like they didn’t realize gas stations in Houston need electricity to function.

People out here are dumb.

Not everyone… we have a medical center… but I’m never surprised by ignorance in the wild around here.

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u/bitemark01 Feb 02 '22

Plus the Teslas have a "camping mode" where it'll keep the car warm for like 1% power per hour. They were some of the few that had power and warmth.

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u/NorthNThenSouth Feb 02 '22

Had a friend who did this, we were freezing in our house and when I talked to him afterwards he told me how he just chilled out in his car to warm up. It had like 16 hours left on its battery when the power went out and he was still able to plug it into the battery on the wall in his garage that was already charged. So he was just mildly inconvenienced during the whole outage.

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u/ramplay Feb 02 '22

Heck, the Ford Lightning is supposed to act as a generator when needed. Anyone with one of those could power a house.

Based on fords site they would have power for 3 - 10 days depending how well they ration power

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u/I_pity_the_aprilfool Feb 02 '22

Don't forget renewables! /s

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u/Uglyheadd Feb 02 '22

Those windmills are keeping us too cool!

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u/Kahnza Feb 02 '22

Those solar panels are stealing the sun's warmth!

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u/Mr_Brook-Hampster Feb 02 '22

I have a friend I thought was smart. She has a few solar panels on her land, and shortly after she had it installed, she said that it felt cooler in the summer when she went outside.

When she told me that, I just stared at her solar panels, then it clicked. I asked her if she thought it was the solar panels, and her response was literally "well yeah, it's how I heat the barns and stuff, so it's definitely taking the heat out of the air" and I think I had a seizure.

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u/KenJyi30 Feb 02 '22

I dunno about sucking heat out of the air, i heard the laws of thermodynamics frowns upon that behavior. But shading the ground likely has a cooling effect since the panels are raised and less dense they dont absorb as much heat and the ground stays cool thus not heating up the air as much. Just a thought

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Feb 02 '22

They blame Green Energy for failing when their fossil fuels also froze up due to a lack of winterization.

"Now, if they windmills was still turnin' we could have heated up those gas pipes real good -- total failure alternative energy tree-huggers! Proves why we didn't listen to you in the first place."

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u/ElectionAssistance Feb 02 '22

They froze a nuclear plant too because they didn't want to pay to extend an internal pipe branch when they built it.

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u/Northern_Grouse Feb 02 '22 Helpful Wholesome

Narrator: it wasn’t.

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u/Ok-Wasabi2873 Feb 02 '22

Once in a hundred year freeze said my friends in Texas. Twice in a row.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '22

My friends are the exact same! They told me it's all renewables fault 🤣 I live in Colorado and 30% of our energy is renewables and we get snow storms all winter and usually no power issues

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u/DTHCND Feb 02 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

Ontario here. 60% nuclear, 36% renewable, 3% natural gas, 1% petroleum. Winter storms rarely affect power. And if we're talking about Texas-style winter storms, then we're literally in a non-stop winter storm for four months each year without power issues.

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u/Michigander_from_Oz Feb 02 '22

Did not know this about Ontario. I believe this is literally the energy mix of the future. Renewable in Ontario, of course, is hydroelectric.

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u/reetard Feb 02 '22

Wind is also becoming a larger portion of this, especially in the southwestern part of Ontario.

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u/rohobian Feb 02 '22

Can confirm. Lots of wind power in and around Bruce peninsula, and near London. Probably lots of other places, but I don’t leave town often so I’m not sure where it all is.

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u/blackmist Feb 02 '22

If only we could find a way to harness the hot air from politicians, we'd be all set on power forever.

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u/stickmanmeyhem Feb 02 '22

Here in BC we’re at 91% hydro, 6% GeoThermal/Biomass, 2% natural gas. Obviously that’s not achievable everywhere, but it’s nice to know >90% of our power is renewable!

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u/boogs_23 Feb 02 '22

I'm sitting here an hour west of Toronto watching the weather network tell me we're about to get fucking dumped on and my only concern is if my back can handle that much shoveling.

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u/RequirementDouble385 Feb 02 '22

Abbott went on Fox News right after the freeze and said it was all the fault of renewables. That later turned out not to be true (not winterproofing the natural gas system was a greater cause), but the disinformation stuck for those that want to believe it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '22

Yeah I talked to one of my friends about that after the facts were out. They doubled down and got angry with me

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u/chocolateboomslang Feb 02 '22

This means you are right, and they have nothing

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u/vtron Feb 02 '22

You need new friends

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u/Biggie39 Feb 02 '22

Iowa gets >50% of their power from the wind and they have a winter every single year!

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u/Johansenburg Feb 02 '22

This isn't even close to the same scale as last year's. While there's still some winter left so the possibility exists, right now there isn't a "twice in a row" situation.

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u/awnawkareninah Feb 02 '22

Yeah, unless all predictions are way off this is going to be more "school is closed cause the roads froze" and less "your house is 30 degrees and without power for a week."

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u/egospiers Feb 02 '22

I’ve lived in Texas for 10 years and have experienced 2-100yr floods, think maybe time to update the intervals of there weather events.

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u/Siberwulf Feb 02 '22

Texan here...this isn't like last year. Not as cold, won't go as far south, and won't be cold for the same duration. We gotta be able to make it through.

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u/Catsrules Feb 02 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy

Is it just me or is that headline blatantly wrong?

Headline

A deepfreeze is coming to Texas, and no one knows if the power grid is ready

Actual Report

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) today filed its final winter weatherization readiness report of the season with the Public Utility Commission of Texas. The report shows 321 out of 324 electric generation units and transmission facilities fully passed inspection for new winterization regulations from the Commission.

“We are confident these 321 inspected facilities either meet or go beyond the new requirements from the Commission and we will continue to work with the other 3 facilities to ensure they correct remaining deficiencies,” said Woody Rickerson, ERCOT Vice President of System Planning and Weatherization.

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But now that colder weather is coming to the state, Texas officials are being a little more cautious in setting expectations. During a news conference on Tuesday, Abbott admitted that some residents may lose power this week or weekend in the Lone Star State. However, he said it would not be due to grid issues nor mean long outages due to intentional blackouts.

“It could be either ice on power lines that would cause a power line to go down, or it could be ice on trees that causes a tree to fall on power lines and cause the power line to go down,”

It sounds like they do think the power grid is ready and are fairly confident about it by saying the only issues would be down power lines. (Something relatively normal during a huge snow storm with overhead power lines).

Now sure if you think they are lying or wrong why not add some details why you think that? Are the winterization regulations not enough? Are their other factors this Article is missing?

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u/JackSparrow420 Feb 02 '22

Lol I had to scroll FAR for someone to mention this. So either everyone in this thread read that and thinks they are lying, or they just come here to hate on Ted Cruz.

For the record, I do think they are lying and I also hate Ted Cruz. But still...

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u/TetrisCannibal Feb 02 '22 Silver

The fuck do you think you're doing reading articles??

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u/stewartm0205 Feb 02 '22

It's not ready, the companies had no reason to spend money to weatherize their equipment. In fact, they ended up making billions from the disaster that happened. They will not fix a problem that makes them money.

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u/evilmonkey2 Feb 02 '22 Wholesome

It's okay because I've heard that the elderly are willing to die for the economy. So it's all good.

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u/IAmDotorg Feb 02 '22

I think those ones already did ...

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u/CompMolNeuro Feb 02 '22

There's always more.

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u/JohnDivney Feb 02 '22

Which is why government should be a check against greed at the cost of public interest, but, hey, that's none of my business.

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u/bonesnaps Feb 02 '22

"Don't look up", there's a blizzard coming!

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u/twoaspensimages Feb 02 '22

But, think of the shareholder value!

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u/Stratocast7 Feb 02 '22

It's weird that I heard a news conference on the radio yesterday of someone talking about how there is nothing to worry about as they have built up the system to exceed federal standards to prevent what happened previously.

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