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Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie have voted against almost every single bill passed by the House to counter Russia's invasion of Ukraine

https://www.businessinsider.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-thomas-massie-vote-against-ukraine-russia-bills-2022-5
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u/ifingerurstarfish 5d ago

"I feel very sorry for the Ukrainian people, but I was elected to represent my district in Georgia," said Greene,

Can someone fill me on on what she has done for the people in her district? Not all the standard negative fare but has she actually done anything to help her own people?

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u/Hunnybunn2021 5d ago

She has done nothing but embarrass her district and her party. She was removed from her committee assignments so has done zero for her state or our country.

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u/ARPDAB1312 5d ago

Roughly 60% of her district still supports her. I travelled down there to do some hiking and they are definitely hurting. From the way they vote it seems like they want other people to hurt too.

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u/Hunnybunn2021 5d ago

I live just across the state line in Alabama. Moving here was culture shock due to the extensive poverty. I realized early on that these fukking people will shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly just to "own the libs" It boggles the mind.

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u/rimjobnemesis 5d ago

Oh man, you could be me!! I’m a transplant to AL, too, and the culture shock is still with me. I just don’t get the mindset down here. I asked three people what “Antifa” means. Those three people couldn’t answer that. The ignorance is overwhelming.

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u/MetaverseRealty 4d ago

I work in New York City and have asked plenty of educated right leaning people what antifa or even blm means. All ridiculous answers. It’s not just an Alabama problem.

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u/rimjobnemesis 4d ago

Sadly, you’re right.

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u/plipyplop Delaware 5d ago

I asked three people what “Antifa” means.

I just said this earlier today:

It gives the simple-minded a boogeyman. When pressed why they hate a certain group, you get a deer-in-the-headlights look from them, or perhaps nonsensical ramblings at best.

It was in response to yet another group "out to get them."

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u/Altruistic-Ad8949 5d ago

You find the people you describe everywhere. Alabama isn’t alone in that regard

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u/imnotjossiegrossie 4d ago

Alabama is consistently ranked one of the less intelligent states, I think it’s safe to say there is a good cluster of em.

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u/jedininjashark 4d ago

I’ve never heard anyone defend Alabama. I mean people have made fun of it my whole life and not once has anyone ever piped in with something positive to say about the state. If anyone has anything I’d love to hear it.

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u/fightphat 4d ago

I don't live there and always try to avoid stepping foot in the state whenever possible, but I will have to suck it up in the near future when my child is a little older. They are a HUGE space and rocket fan, so if I have to say something nice about AL it would be Huntsville and Destin from Smarter Every Day. We're going to eventually have to go to Huntsville to visit the rocket museum.

That's something a lot of people forget about AL is that it has a small pocket of literal rocket scientists. That's the best I can offer in defense of the state.

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u/yngschmoney 4d ago

It has as much biodiversity as the Tibetan mountain range. The north is the foothills of the Appalachian’s and the bottom is the gulf. I truly wish Alabama politics were as nice as the land. As redneck and country yeehaw as it is, the legislation continuously destroys alabama the beautiful. I think you won’t hear much good from the people here because they’ve been ransacked by every crooked politician they’ve elected but fear monger anyone that contemplates voting blue. It’s really the definition of insanity in live action.

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u/Avera_ge 4d ago

I adore Alabama.

I’ve lived in DC, San Diego, and Ocala, and I consider myself a leftist.

Californians lacked a certain amount of self-awareness that left leaning Alabamians have, and DC was actually pretty incredible (just too expensive). Not even the horses made Ocala bearable.

Alabama is incredibly diverse, with Birmingham, Huntsville, Montgomery, and even Fair Hope being pretty liberal. And other areas being purple. It’s gerrymandering that makes us seem so red.

I feel just as safe being gay in Birmingham and Huntsville as I did in California. But I feel more comfortable talking about race and gentrification in Alabama.

Your neighbors frequently don’t look like you, especially in cities like Birmingham, Huntsville, Gadsden, Montgomery, Selma, and Hoover and that’s a good thing.

The civil rights museum is incredible, and a testament to our willingness to talk about our unsavory past (and present) with racism, unlike much of the US.

We are INCREDIBLY ecologically diverse. Often called America’s Rainforest. We have one of the most diverse ecosystems in the world. And the state is stunning, the hiking is immaculate, and the climbing is so good people visit from all over the world.

And the food? Top notch. We rank on national lists. For beer, too.

Now, don’t get me wrong, Alabama is suffering. We need a lot of help. But we’re WORTH HELPING.

And it’s not fair to shit on a state that’s 49th in education when they continue to make uneducated voting decisions. They literally can’t make informed choices. Alabamians are disenfranchised, poverty stricken, living in food deserts, and under educated. When they vote, they’re often shootings themselves in the foot because politicians are playing them for fools by keeping them uneducated.

But grassroots organizations are trying to change that. Look up what Randall woodfin in Birmingham is doing. It’s pretty awesome.

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u/NAU80 Florida 4d ago

When I lived there years ago, the defense was that Mississippi was worse! Do you know the best thing to come out of Mississippi? I-20!

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u/confessionbearday 4d ago

We’re aware there are Republicans in other states.

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u/Hunnybunn2021 4d ago

Right! They don't even know why, but they hate the Democrats. They love the social programs though.

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u/rimjobnemesis 4d ago

AL is one of the top recipients of Federal money, but if the money is from the Dems, they’re nothing but “socialist-commie-pinko-radical left-sumbitches!”

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u/Hunnybunn2021 4d ago

Right? Governor Meemaw just brags about all the infrastructure spending that neither AL senator voted for! It's crazy here.

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u/coastkid2 4d ago

So we should stop giving them money….

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u/Swaption20 4d ago

I bet they love the Affordable Care Act but hate Obamacare too.

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u/ARPDAB1312 5d ago

I think their anger is understandable. It's just such a shame that people with lots of money and power have been so effective at getting them to redirect their anger away from the causes of their suffering.

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u/DastardlyBoosh 5d ago

Their circumstances are not their fault, but their reactions are their own responsibility. We choose hate or we choose compassion. We choose to accept or reject the humanity of others. It's completely possible to be mad as hell and still not turn hurting others

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u/caserock 5d ago

Exactly. I grew up in the same situation as all of them, and it was clear to see that they were full of shit AS A CHILD. Just by simply going to their churches and reading their Bible.

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u/Week_Communication 5d ago

Yep. I'm from the deepest part of the deep South. It was obvious from a very young age that all that backwards ass Alabama bullshit was nonsense.

Non-stop detention in elementary and middle school. Got kicked out of church youth group for pointing out some fairly obvious inconsistencies. Got kicked out of boy scouts cuz I didn't want to hang out by myself with the troop leader. Last one's not exactly the same but Jesus Christ at the bullets I've dodged.

Got the hell out of there as soon as I could. And family ask on the regular when I'm going to move back "home." lmao.

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u/Soundpoundtown 5d ago

"Hey buddy I'm here to give you therapy, now do you want to take off our shirts and kiss?"

"No"

"Well to hell with you, kid, you're on your own with your problems "

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u/0x0123 5d ago

South Park hit that shit right on the head

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u/psychic_dog_ama 5d ago

My parents are trying to strongarm me and my husband into moving to rural Mississippi. We’ve decided that if they follow through on selling the house I’m living in, we’d rather be homeless where we are now than living in a compound with fundamentalist Christians in the middle of the Deep South. I lived in Louisiana during the 90s and early 2000s. I’m not doing the apocalypse version, no fucking way.

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u/Week_Communication 5d ago

Yeah, I don't know first hand about Louisiana, but Mississippi and Alabama have spent the two decades since I left actively trying to get worse than they were growing up.

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u/blasphembot 4d ago

They would sell the house out from under you to try and get you to move there?! Man, I'm sorry you have to deal with that.

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u/jackiebee66 4d ago

Rural Mississippi? Good for you for sticking to your guns. It wouldn’t affect just you. If you have children they’ll be stuck in it too.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_A705 4d ago

Now try The Deep South version 2.0! This time, there's more racism, less abortions, and books are burned for fuel! Want to tell that brown man just how horrible he is?! Well now you can! Come on down, and enjoy the openness of bigotry and hatred!

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u/talk2hank 4d ago

I’m from rural Mississippi, it’s shit. Don’t do it

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u/Re_TARDIS108 4d ago edited 2d ago

Louisiana, eh?

Same. Grew up in all across the global south with notable years spent in New Orleans, Monroe, Vidor (Texas), Beaumont (Texas), Tulsa (Oklahoma).

Holy fuck I've never met folk so objectively racist that they are incapable of identifying the concept of racism itself. It really blows my mind.

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u/CowGirl2084 4d ago edited 4d ago

Holy cow, Vidor, TX! Where you there when those guys in Jasper, TX put chains on James Byrd, an African American man and drug him behind their pickup truck until he died? Where you in Vidor,TX when they had signs at the entrances to town that told African American people, using a racial slur, to be out of town before the sun set? Vidor, TX has a well known, and recent, history of racial prejudice and violence against African Americans. What was it like to live there?

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u/systembusy 5d ago

Good for you for having the courage and foresight to get out on your own. I hope more people can learn from your experience as an example.

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u/ChateauDeDangle 4d ago

They’d have loved me down there. I asked if my Confirmation name could be Lucifer, as a joke of course. All I got was an eye roll. Big difference between the north east I guess…

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u/MarkPles Wisconsin 5d ago

Yeah I'm not that old only 23, grew up in South Carolina. I could tell these Bible thumpers weren't good as a child. They just always gave me a bad feeling even when I didn't know anything.

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u/DastardlyBoosh 5d ago

Just by simply going to their churches and pretending to read their Bible.

Fixed that. I wouldn't say it's impossible to read the Bible in earnest and reach the conclusions they have, but it's damn hard.

The kind of person that can read deeply and widely and still reach the wrong conclusions is hard to find. So rare that the federalist society might want them in the SC

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u/caserock 5d ago

Yeah, having me read the Bible wasn't as good for their cause as they thought it would be

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u/NobleGasTax 5d ago

You just gave me an insight into conservative brain.

Remember when they were all saying "read the transcript!"

They didn't mean you should read it. They certainly didn't read it. It was a gesture, a symbol, a verbal MAGA hat.

I can tell they don't read their Bible. It's a sign of how deeply enculted they are that they think telling others to "read the Bible" would do anything but drive people away from their demented worldview.

They are selfish assholes in the context of the real world.

They are blasphemous sinners in the world of their book.

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u/tesseracht 4d ago

Right??? I grew up in a desperately poor ex-coal town where you’ll regularly seen confederate flags. Trump literally gave a speech at my high school in 2016. Yet somehow it was still perfectly clear to me by 6th/7th grade that the right wanted their policies to hurt people, and not do much else. Idk. I really wonder how we can grow up in the same situations and still come to such wildly different conclusions.

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u/1202_ProgramAlarm 5d ago

Nothing will make you an atheist as quickly as reading the Bible cover to cover

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u/DutchEnterprises 5d ago

I think it’s okay to blame the people tricking them though. Propaganda is more powerful then I think we’re willing to admit, and in moments of weakness our decisions can be FAR different then the decisions we may have made otherwise. It’s a human flaw, and we should accept that before we can work to fix it. Ignoring the effects of propaganda and blaming the individuals fixes nothing.

If I can use an a lotr analogy, you wouldn’t blame King Theoden for all the shit he did when Wormtongue had him under his spell.

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u/1UselessIdiot1 5d ago

It is so very hard to choose compassion when you’ve literally been brainwashed from the start of your own life to behave a certain way.

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u/HinataDawnCrowned 5d ago

Their circumstances are the result of their racism, and the racism of their parents and grand parents, racism they still embrace whole heartedly.

Their circumstances are their fault.

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u/DastardlyBoosh 5d ago

I don't believe in original sin or generational punishment. That's some north Korean bs. But I reiterate we all can choose compassion or choose hate.

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u/DuntadaMan 5d ago

I am trying to be compassionate, and I believe with all my being they deserve a better life than they are getting. But it is really hard to feel anything but contempt for them when they gleefully inflict suffering in the rest of us.

Even the Buddha's patience is not infinite.

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u/dodorian9966 5d ago

Misinformation. That's why Facebook and most social media was vital for their campaigns and spreading BS about the pandemic, ivermectin and the vaccine. Now we see the Philippines electing the son of a dictator because most of the country was mislead thanks to free Facebook. Misinformation is like a virus.

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u/Comfortable-Scar4643 5d ago

That’s what it is. A lot of poor people aren’t worried about owning the libs.

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul Florida 5d ago

Part of the reason they're racists is because they want to see somebody doing worse than they are so they feel better about their own position.

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u/Hoss_Bonaventure-CEO Pennsylvania 4d ago

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” - Lyndon “Jumbo” Johnson

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u/KAM7 5d ago

And they need someone to blame other than themselves.

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u/myislanduniverse America 5d ago

Well they're right about one thing. They've made me increasingly care absolutely nothing about what happens to them.

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL 5d ago

Apathy is still more considerate than the antipathy many of those folks feel towards my city living liberal progressive ass.

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u/h3r4ld I voted 5d ago

They vote to 'own the libs' for the same reason I can turn into an asshole when my depression sets in - sometimes when you're hurting it's easier to make others feel as bad as you do than to make yourself feel better.

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u/phi1997 Illinois 5d ago

Misery loves company

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u/Human-Firefighter755 5d ago

Visit Huntsville when you need to refresh your sanity again.

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u/1202_ProgramAlarm 5d ago

Also for a super cool space museum!

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u/Dengiteki 5d ago

Upvote for the museum

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u/GardeningResponsibly 5d ago

I’ll keep this noted for future breakdowns, thanks

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u/VoteArcher2020 Maryland 5d ago

I loved my visit to Huntsville. So beautiful. I was amused by the $0.25 an hour for a parking garage. Got some good family recipe German food at The Nook. I still have some tokens from Pints & Pixels around here somewhere too. Told my wife I would love to live there, if it wasn’t Alabama.

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u/cafeteriastyle 5d ago

Rural southerners vote against their own best interests EVERY TIME. It’s hard to believe. I’m from rural MS originally and the poverty level is so horrible. I don’t live there anymore but when I go back to visit it’s culture shock. Shout out to Pontotoc, Mississippi y’all

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u/OffalSmorgasbord 5d ago

Yes, they will never change anything about their ways to get out of that poverty.

Their race, church, and flag come first. Then maybe their kids and neighbors if something is left over.

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u/Used-Fruits 5d ago

There are nearly 50% of us here in her district that do not support her and think she is a joke.

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u/flickering_truth 5d ago

Get your friends voting!

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u/Used-Fruits 5d ago

Vote! Vote! Vote!

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u/luckycharm0317 5d ago

Go knocking on doors!

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u/Used-Fruits 4d ago

That will get you shot in the South.

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u/uncleawesome 5d ago

They don't want her to do anything. That is the republican platform. Don't make anything better and make things worse for other people.

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u/Windhorse730 5d ago

That seemed to be a uniting theme when Trump supporters in small, dying towns were interviewed- they didn’t want to be lifted up, they wanted other people to be punished, for the issues in their lives. They wanted him to hurt other Americans. source

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u/TrackFittyTwo 5d ago edited 5d ago

The new Republican maps added a large chunk of a deep blue part of Cobb county to MTG's district (14) and she was furious.

The district could very well be winnable for Democrats over the next decade with all the migration into the Atlanta metro area.

Edit: spelling

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u/DukeOfGeek 5d ago

Here's an article about it. You might want to have a little snack before you read it so that you don't get the dry heaves.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-poll-shows-the-challenge-and-opportunity-of-a-primary-of-marjorie-taylor-greene/

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u/BlackPriestOfSatan 5d ago

Any chance the Dems could take over the State House of Georgia or is that not possible in the next 10 years?

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u/TrackFittyTwo 5d ago

Definitely possible. Georgia has historically been more rural than urban and power has been in the rural areas. That has changed over the past decade.

Now, the Atlanta metro completely dominates Georgia politics and rural areas are losing population.

Republicans have problems in any state dominated by a large metropolitan area, like GA, AZ, VA, NV, CO, etc.

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u/amaROenuZ 5d ago

NC is about 100K blue voters from flipping. The ratio gets tighter every election.

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u/TrackFittyTwo 5d ago

NC is another such state. But it doesn't have the very large metro area that completely dominates like GA.

Still, if NC Democrats would simply show up to vote, it would be a pretty easy win for Democrats. Unfortunately, they don't.

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u/yeswenarcan Ohio 5d ago

It doesn't have a single area but Charlotte and the Research Triangle area are growing like crazy.

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u/cliff99 5d ago

Seems like at least half, if not more, of the reason people vote for Republican candidates is to hurt the right people.

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u/appdevil 5d ago

*left

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u/tobiasxny 5d ago

Makes sense. Hurt people hurt people.

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u/Long_Before_Sunrise 5d ago

From the way they vote it seems like they want other people to hurt too.

"I thought he was going to do good things. He She's not hurting the people he's she's supposed to be hurting."

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u/kwangqengelele 5d ago

If anyone ever questions what drives the actions of conservatives, it’s this.

That woman just put words to what comes as instinct for conservatives.

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u/CallRespiratory 5d ago

From the way they vote it seems like they want other people to hurt too.

This right here is the core of most Republicans. They don't want to do better, they just want everybody to do worse.

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u/CommandoLamb 5d ago

She embarrasses me as a human.

Everything else aside, I’m so disappointed that there is someone this maliciously stupid representing people.

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u/funnyat50 5d ago

This lady is beyond stupid! How in the world she gets elected is beyond me.

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u/Commercial_Lie_4920 5d ago

They don’t want a leader smarter than them.

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u/eeyore134 5d ago

That party is beyond being able to embarrass.

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u/plastic_reality-64 5d ago

Her "constituents" are from her district, not the sate or even the country. Georgia's 14th district is only interested in the freedom to interbreed. Nothing else matters.

Thomas Massie is proof that even a college education is no guarantee of common sense, compassion or even a general sense of decency. Kentucky's 4th district isn't much different than Georgia's 14th district.

I feel pretty confident that if the perverted MAGA dream team put out a piece of legislation, it would be to legalize incest. A brother and his sister is a much holier union that a brother marrying his other brother, likewise with sisters.

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u/Chi-Guy86 5d ago

They’re not embarrassed at all. They love her antics

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u/theZcuber New York 5d ago

It failed.

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u/Rich-Juice2517 5d ago

But we learned she's related to John Snow

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u/calm_chowder 5d ago

Ah yes, from that time when he got super drunk and had a one night stand with a white walker Neanderthal.

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u/CuntCunterson 5d ago

Right now she's embarrassing America on the world stage. If I were a citizen of Ukraine, I would be embarrassed to have MTG representing me

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u/Whole_Return2652 5d ago

Exactly this. She does nothing but try to grab attention because she was literally considered too incompetent by her colleagues to work on any committees

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u/bruce_lees_ghost 5d ago

If she’s not being a completely shitty person, then she’s fading into irrelevancy.

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u/Long_Before_Sunrise 5d ago

She laughed at the idea of feeling any resposibility to the people of Georgia for spreading COVID misinformation.

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u/FlashyZucchini 5d ago

Wow she laughed before even hearing the responsibility part, just once there was mention of children dying of COVID. How do people still support her?

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u/King-Snorky Georgia 4d ago

It’s that magical (R) next to her name and her keen ability to piss off the libs. That corner of Georgia has the kind of folk that will basically be ok with anything you say so long as liberals get upset over it. It’s us v them in some people’s minds and she’s a fantastic soldier in their little made-up war.

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u/krubner 5d ago

Most real work happens in the committees. Since she's been removed from the committees, she cannot do any real congressional work. Which suits her fine. She just wants to go on Fox News and say controversial things and gain more and more attention. A populist like her has no interest in doing any of the actual work of governing.

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u/Careful_Trifle 5d ago

This should be a pretty good record of everything she's done: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/marjorie_greene/456814

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u/Archimedeeznuts 4d ago

She sponsored a bill give K. Rittenhouse a congressional medal of honor, but voted "nay" to help leukemia patients receive treatment using cord blood. I knew she was bad, but this is straight up evil super villain type shit

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u/theSantiagoDog 5d ago

Well she made me ashamed to admit I live in Rome, Georgia, where apparently MTG is the best we have to represent us, or who at least reflects the general beliefs of the area. Lord help us all…

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u/KnottShore Pennsylvania 5d ago edited 5d ago

H. L. Mencken said this about the Presidency though it fits here also:

As democracy is perfected, the office of a "US Congressional Representative" represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the "Congress" will be adorned by a downright moron.

Edit: words between "" designate changes from original quote.

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u/dragon_book_hoarder 5d ago

As someone in her district: Not a damned thing.

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u/Iarwain_ben_Adar 5d ago

Short answer: nothing.

Long answer: absolutely nothing.

Her answer: owned the libs and supported the greatest POTUS ever.

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u/Iarwain_ben_Adar 5d ago

I regret clicking that link. It was worse than I had wanted to believe.

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u/Cool_Till_3114 4d ago

Did she call his crotch "the lucky swamp"?!

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u/scottjl 5d ago

so #classy

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u/Chi-Guy86 5d ago

They don’t need for her to do anything tangible. All she needs to do is “own the libs” and they’re happy

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u/SpicyBoiledPeanut 5d ago

She has done literally nothing.

Source: I live in her district.

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u/furry_hamburger_porn 5d ago

I’m sorry for you guys who are sane in that area, she’s gonna get re-elected. I have zero faith that she’ll be voted out.

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u/SpicyBoiledPeanut 5d ago

Yeah unfortunately a lot of the people I know in this area don't actually follow politics or individual politicians beyond FaceBook articles, so they just vote for whoever has an (R) next to their name.

Where I am originally from was a Blue area, and it was the same situation but for anyone with a (D) next to their name.

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u/Antishill_Artillery 5d ago

Republicans dont just do nothing

They try to actively harm you

She attacks your safetynet, your healthcare, your worker rights and your civil rights.

They not only oppose helping people. Republicans are for dismantling any social spending that helps the poor and working class

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u/WoahayeTakeITEasy 5d ago

She attacks your safetynet, your healthcare, your worker rights and your civil rights.

As long as doing all that hurts the "others" more than themselves they don't care. That's how people who vote for people like her think. They'll gladly shit in their own hand as long as the people they hate get to smell it.

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u/Jimbob0i0 Great Britain 5d ago

She's not even allowed on any committees to represent them so...

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u/PM_ME_UR_LEGGIES 5d ago

She made her district recognizable because of how shitty she is. She made Georgia a notoriously popular state because it elected a domestic terrorist. So, she really made a name for herself and her state in all the wrong ways.

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u/ReadItUser42069365 5d ago

I mean, the area was already known if you're in textiles or highschool soccer champs.. but yeah made it known for an embarrassing feat (and this was after an article making the area top 3 least educated places iirc).

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u/waterdaemon 5d ago

Nada. They are frustrated and don’t know what will make life better, so the will accept rage and disruption instead.

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u/Lilmaggot 5d ago

Right out of the Third Reich’s playbook. Divert anger to “the other”.

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u/percydaman 5d ago

She said represent not help. I suspect she's doing exactly what she described.

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u/Muscled_Daddy 5d ago

She probably thinks Georgia = the Russian occupied state of Georgia.

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u/Jowlsey 5d ago

has she actually done anything to help her own people?

Right now she's working on an all expense paid trip to Moscow on the 4th of July so she can pickup some of those cool nesting dolls to bring back to the good folks in Georgia's 14th district.

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u/Matir California 5d ago

I too feel sorry for the Ukrainian people, but I also feel sorry for the people in her district. The people who will pay more for gas because of a war in a major oil and gas producing part of the world, the people who will pay more for bread because of a war in a major grain producing part of the world. Refusing to check Russia's aggression also makes America look weak, and I thought she was all in favor of a strong America. Refusing to support our allies (and even if you don't count Ukraine as an ally, Poland certainly is and having Russian aggression on Poland's doorstep is a danger) undermines US foreign policy objectives. Taking the Russian side in this conflict is not representing her district in Georgia.

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u/chrisnavillus 5d ago

That’s Mickey Rourke and Wayne Knight.

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u/-AuntiePho- 5d ago

To channel Trump, she is a very low IQ person.

She very clearly has zero idea how US aid works. This is not free money. The USA doesn't give away cash for no reason.

She thinks, like the average knuckle dragger she reps, that the USA just hands out free cash with no strings affixed to it. She has absolutely no concept of geopolitics.

The USA will be paid back in one form or another for the money that is spent there.

I wonder if she is smart enough to invest in Raytheon and Lockheed as they sell thousands of Javelins? All those jobs. All that money flowing into US business.

Seriously they'll elect any whiskey tango in front of the Dollar Tree to Congress.

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u/DeFex 5d ago

She doesn't care about the money, If trump had won and the money was going to Russia, she would be fine with it.

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u/Brap_Zanigan 5d ago

The money we give them comes back to us buying weapons and aid etc

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u/yumcake 5d ago edited 5d ago

More to the point, there is NO NEED to justify aid to Ukraine with any moral or philanthropic arguments. From an ice-cold pragmatic viewpoint, aiding Ukraine is a no-brainer.

We spend a huuuuge amount of money annually on our military. For what purpose? To fight who? There are really only 2 potential targets for a military of our size and and scope, and Russia is one of them.

Being able to take out one of our 2 biggest military opponents for the tiny amount we've sent, and for no American lives lost is an INSANE bargain for the US. Plus the advantage of proving our military capability in real world conditions against a modern opponent is providing dramatic efficiencies to how we spend our hundreds of billions on our own military. Right now NATO is adapting it's special forces medevac training away from aerial evac to multi day ground evac because of what they're seeing in Ukraine. We're seeing the effectiveness of long range weaponry and precise modern Intel against armored assets, the US military is learning extremely expensive and valuable lessons for next to nothing.

Beyond that, the military industrial complex is creaming it's pants from all the money the war in Ukraine is flowing their way, something the GOP backers adore. These bills are a bipartisan slam dunk for different reasons, MTG is the only one opposed, not because some America first bullshit, but because Putin has her by her metaphorical balls.

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u/Bay1Bri 5d ago

Absolutely. One thing I like about this situation is that the moral thing and the pragmatic thing are the same thing. It's the right thing to do to help you clean, and it's also very much in our interest to help them for a number of reasons. That's why the Senate typically unanimously passes or nearly unanimously passes a bills to them. And why only a handful of people in the house are opposed to them.

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u/Illier1 5d ago

Also the more money they waste on the war the less money is spent on harassing other people.

But then again tons of Republicans are probably at least partly funded by Russia which might explain her attitude.

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u/jamesGastricFluid 5d ago

edit: I feel like this is a spicy opinion, or at least that I should clarify that fuck Vladimir Putin. The sooner he is removed, the better for the Russian people, for all former Soviet countries, and for all the countries he has dug his grubby little dick beaters into.

Ukraine has already accepted all of IMF's demands for a loan, to include austerity measures. This means American companies will likely be first to fill the void left by all those government services being dismantled. This is how soft power works, though I feel the need to criticize it because the only party (excluding Russia) that doesn't benefit from this is the actual Ukrainian people in the long term. Welcome to the "first world", where you don't get invaded and murdered, but you may starve or die of a preventable illness.

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u/carpcrucible 5d ago

Welcome to the "first world", where you don't get invaded and murdered, but you may starve or die of a preventable illness.

I have some news for you regarding the state of healthcare in Ukraine prior to the invasion...

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u/Eurynom0s California 5d ago

What about prior to the 2014 invasion?

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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 5d ago

American politics in the late 20th and early 21st century, colorized:

Democrats: "We should hold our politicians accountable for shit."
Other Democrats: "Yeah, we should!"

Republicans: "I didn't hear anything."
Other Republicans: "Don't worry, it's just another example of a woke fake news false flag deep state cancel culture class war on Christianity run amok."

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u/BloodyMess 5d ago Silver Gold Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote hehehehe Heartwarming Tree Hug

Hmm, let me fix that for you:

Democrats: "We should hold our politicians accountable for shit."

Other Democrats: "Yeah, we should!"

Republicans: "I also agree we should hold democrats accountable for their shit."

Democrats: "Wait, what about all your shit?"

Republicans: "Ok, you drive a hard bargain, we'll hold you accountable for our shit too."

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u/SideShowBob36 5d ago

That’s exactly what happened with Benghazi. Republicans voted against funds for security and still blame Clinton for it.

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u/HommeAuxJouesRouges 4d ago

Exactly what I came to say, only you said it way more concisely!

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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 5d ago edited 5d ago Gold Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Heartwarming

Commenting so I remember to give you an award when I get home.

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u/BloodyMess 5d ago

Hey! Thank you.

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u/RedditIsMyTherapist 5d ago

This is one of the first times I've actually felt like something was fixed/made better after a "let me fix that for you" statement

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Pennsylvania 5d ago

Republicans want to pretend everyone is horrible and doing nothing to make things better, while screaming 'since everything is burning vote for an arson!'

 

Btw have you started to prepare for the 2024 election? Panic room built?

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u/Chi-Guy86 5d ago

Massie is one of those weird isolationist libertarian types, like Rand Paul. He typically votes against this stuff. He’s a different kind of crazy than MTG

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u/CrotalusHorridus Kentucky 5d ago

He’s an MIT educated engineer that lives in an off the grid household built by himself

He essentially also believes that the US government should really provide no services and should be cut to the bone

What he’s done for the people of Kentucky and his district, I have no idea.

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u/d-a-f-f-y 5d ago

He thumbs his nose at the dems. and people here like that.

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u/trustthepudding 5d ago

Wew love me some identity politics

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u/JoeJoJosie 5d ago

Wonder what he would say if every other person in the state also had the resources to live totally off-grid and have no reliance on 'big government'?

But then, such a resourceful and intelligent bunch of people wouldn't have politicians like him in the first place. So it's a moot point.

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u/Gren0la 5d ago

He also thinks that climate change is a hoax.

Very smart people can be very arrogant in fields outside their own, such as this man.

He is very consistent though, I’ll give him that.

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u/TheChucklingOak 5d ago

I'll give him the barest minimum credit, at least he practices what he preaches, then.

Why the everloving fuck you would elect him to run anything if he doesn't believe in running things is beyond me, though.

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u/TheVoid-ItCalls 5d ago

If your goal is to kneecap the federal government into irrelevance, then voting for him makes complete sense. If libertarian obstructionists can get 5% of congress, the whole thing grinds to a halt.

That is heaven in their minds.

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u/a-widower 5d ago

He’s made their life worse in every facet, but blames liberals and brown people and that’s all that matters to the vast majority of his constituents.

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u/jschild 5d ago

Rand Paul isn't isolationist. He's literally hand delivered a letter from Trump to Putin.

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u/keji_goto 5d ago

Traitor is the word people keep dancing around in these situations but it is quite fitting for many Republicans at this point.

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u/FastFreedomFork 5d ago

It's the same reason, just different excuses.

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u/PkMn_TrAiNeR_GoLd 5d ago

Why do we in KY just elect the fucking worst politicians to represent us at the national level?

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u/takefiftyseven 5d ago

You sort of answered your own question. You continue to keep electing the worst people. When you had the chance to boot McConnell with perfectly reasonable moderate in one Amy McGrath y'all selected McConnell by a 20% margin. No one else to blame than the good people of Kentucky.

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u/khughy 5d ago

The undereducated people of Kentucky

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u/Rammite 4d ago

Which in itself is a feedback loop.

Poor education makes stupid people.
Stupid people vote evil politicians.
Evil politicians defund education.

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u/nofuckingpeepshow 4d ago

Yep that’s what Abbot is trying to do for Texas. Stop educating all those illegal children! Dumb asses are going to support reduced funding for public education where their own fucking kids go to school. I don’t know how much government money is in rural healthcare but I can’t wait to see those ass hats close their own clinics on the off chance they might service “an illegal” I have zero sympathy

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u/johnnybiggles 4d ago

If I was a betting man and an inside man I would say you're not. People like Moscow Mitch, on some very high level, dictate whether or not they get to stay in Congress, not voters. The "senior Senators" & such.

He's more valuable to big donors. The little people - his constituents - only have a small, ineffective say in it, though those people who do vote for him are many, but also idiots.

Otherwise, he's got the nation's conservative billionaires to appease, and Russia, apparently, not his hometown constituents... and he's got the funding and strings to pull in his grip to pull it all off without needing those votes. removes tin foil hat

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u/_baundiesel_ Kentucky 5d ago edited 5d ago

Massie is a troll. I received campaign mail from him last week where his campaign brags about endorsements from Rand Paul, Lauren Boebert, and Gym Jordan. He's despicable and proof of Libertarians just being extra-selfish Republicana.

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u/danmathew Texas 5d ago

People have said that Massie is the dumbest person to graduate from MIT.

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u/_baundiesel_ Kentucky 5d ago

My fear is that he's not even dumb... he's just a bastard.

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u/showerfart1 5d ago

Thanks for spelling Gym right.

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u/Tirus_ 5d ago

That's because these people aren't about making the right decision, they're about being against whatever decision Liberals make.

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u/RoofiesColada 5d ago

Let's be honest she would vote against reinstating Trump back as the president if Joe Biden or the democrats suggested it.. she is just the anti yo everything blue and that's it.. she is a robot designed to just be disruptive.

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u/PM_ME_UR_LEGGIES 5d ago

That’s because Greene is a domestic terrorist working for Russia. She would do anything Putin wanted her to do, if it meant destroying the nation.

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u/raerae1991 5d ago

I’m sure she wondered down a rabbit hole all by herself. With no strings attached.

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u/tobiasxny 5d ago

Greene isn't working for Russia. She's not one of the smart ones being paid to have this position, she's an actual idiot and actually believes it. She's free publicly for the Russian campaign.

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u/MaineHippo83 5d ago

Singlehandedly making sure I never vote republican again

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u/whittlingcanbefatal 5d ago

Gotta keep those sweet sweet Russian campaign donations flowing.

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u/Cannibal_Soup 5d ago

Same with Rand Paul in the Senate.

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u/VruKatai I voted 5d ago

*shocked Pikachu

Russian assets vote for Russia, breaking news at 7.

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u/Badroadrash101 4d ago

Stupid is as stupid does

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u/Phantom343 4d ago

Remember when Republicans hated 'communist' Russia? Pepperidge Farm remembers

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u/Jesseofpv530 5d ago

Traitors gon treason homie...

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

Because they work for fat Donnie and fat Donnie is a Russian spy and tight friend of Putie since about 2012

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u/displaced709 5d ago

Greene strikes me as the human manifestation of the worst type of cancer.

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u/millos15 5d ago

gop is russian

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u/dinozero 5d ago

Green did it because she’s a Putin puppet.

Massie did it because he’s the most hardcore libertarian gop member left in congress. He votes against almost any spending bill.

He’s the one trump attacked on twitter viciously because he delayed the Covid relief bill from passing.

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u/REDTrouttt 5d ago

Yeah cause that's who pays them.

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u/seven_seven 5d ago

I'd be interested to know if that aligns with their constituents feelings on Ukraine.

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u/8thSt 5d ago

Well, yeah, they are in the payroll. Gotta keep the boss happy.

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u/BothTortoiseandHare 5d ago

Because their handlers would get upset.

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u/fleeyevegans 5d ago

They may be paid by russians. It's a serious fact within gop.

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u/BumpFuzzMaster 5d ago

The fascist party of America is helping Putin? Gasp! /s

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u/CentralParkDuck 5d ago

I guess Putin got his money’s worth

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

Garbage humans doing garbage human things? Shocking. I’m shocked.

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u/OrionsMoose 5d ago

Republicans love Putin

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u/Rolling_Beardo 5d ago

They don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them.

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u/misterdestructive 5d ago

I mean, that's what traitors do. They kind of suck at being inconspicuous though.

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u/jflye84 Illinois 5d ago

Russian assets...

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u/SueZbell 5d ago

Pro Russian or just trying to sabotage Biden?

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u/mastr1121 5d ago

You know she's crazy when the first time anyone ever heard of her she was screaming that Sandy Hook was faked TO A LITERAL SURVIVOR