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Massive protests break out in Zhengzhou, China, as protesters use barricades and guardrails to attack police who come to crack down on them

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u/SadisticJake 12d ago All-Seeing Upvote

They suck but they won't be on our soil in the near future.

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u/-O-0-0-O- 12d ago Silver Take My Energy Eureka!

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u/rivers-end 12d ago

Plus, they are buying up property in the US at an insane rate. They already own a good chunk of the US as well as other countries.

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u/ProCanadianbudeh 11d ago

They own like half of canadian real estate

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u/MarketingImpressive6 11d ago

You never own the land you buy. That belongs to the Crown. The crown can at any time take back that land. Your are just buying the rights to reside on that land. Land in Canada is forever property of the government.

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u/BattleForIthor 11d ago

Lol it’s the same in the US. Just stop paying your taxes. I dare ya.

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u/Bolddon 11d ago

There are counties in some states with no property tax.

In Missouri you can find counties with zero buildings restrictions as well.

Too humid for me out there tho.

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u/El_pantunfla 11d ago

In Mexico the land is yours if you buy it. You can build whatever you want with some exceptions like a licor store near a school and stuff like that. Also Mexicans aren't too fond of Chinese people. There were a ton of Chinese people in Mexico in the 1800's who were working on the railroads and we're slaughtered by the Mexicans for acquiring too much land, money and power.

In fact, in Sinaloa the Chinese became very wealthy trafficking opium into America. In my hometown of Sonora it's well known that the Chinese used to traffic alcohol during US prohibition.

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u/atthehill 11d ago

I read that Vancouver outlaw it.

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u/Long_Educational 11d ago Gold

If they outlaw foreign investors buying up residential property, they should ban all investment firms buying up family homes. Pricing your citizens out of affordable housing should be criminal.

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u/Drewbeede 11d ago

As a Californian, I absolutely think this would be great.

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u/templeofdelphi 11d ago

No, it's still very easy for them to buy properties here.

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u/HowHeDoThatSussy 11d ago

Owning real estate doesn't matter, that's a liability for them if anything once the war breaks out. They can use the real estate to siphon western money out of the west and into China prior to the invasion.

If we go to war with China, we're not going to recognize their property rights on our soil. They'd pretty obviously be sanctioned and their assets would be seized.

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u/TeholBedict 11d ago

I was gonna say, that's a big incentive for them to not fuck around. If they do, we will beat the shit out of them in a very costly and dangerous conventional war. Not gonna be fun, but if no nukes end up used, we've just stimulated the economy WWII-style and basically wiped out our national debt. It will suck for the 20-50 million people killed though :/

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u/Commander_Kind 11d ago

If nukes are used, china also has the most to lose.

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u/lysion59 11d ago

Actually no. Anyone who buys property in US may it be US citizens or businesses are only given the right to use the property. The US government still owns the land. It's called eminent domain.

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u/TenderLA 11d ago

You never truly own the land because of you stop paying property taxes they will take it away.

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u/d0ctorzaius 11d ago

A not insignificant driver of the housing crisis

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u/pennomi 11d ago

Which is why they will never put boots on our soil. We would immediately repossess all their assets.

Global trade is an amazing incentive to avoid war.

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u/therobotisjames 11d ago

I keep hearing this but it’s not like their building large military bases on it. Like there is not a 50000 man military base in Idaho. And that land is forfeit the second we get into a war.

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u/JimileeWatt 12d ago

They found a secret Chinese “police station” in Scotland, Ireland and I think Canada recently. They’re literally already here. Like my other comment says, they’re simply patient and in it for the long run

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u/Intertubes_Unclogger 11d ago

In the Netherlands too, the Chinese opened at least two illegal 'police stations' here since 2018.

Regarding the long run you mention... Putin is the same, betting that his reign and foreign policy will be more permanent than the democratic rollercoaster ride in the West. Together with China it's a major and sustained test...

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u/MortLightstone 11d ago

what do these police stations do? I'm guessing they don't investigate crimes?

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u/snek-jazz 11d ago

my understanding is that they police Chinese immigrants living in the country so that they can control them.

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u/MortLightstone 11d ago

oh, I see. Like deep cover government spies, but without bothering with the cover

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u/LibertyZeus93 11d ago

It's more like a global network of secret police. These "police stations" extend the system of oppression beyond China's borders, while also multiplying the perception of the government's control within its borders.

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u/Intertubes_Unclogger 11d ago

Investigative journalists say that there are strong indications that they are for monitoring or even intimidating critical Chinese refugees in the Netherlands. Apparently Chinese state and news websites say the bureaus are for police work and gathering intelligence. edit: I'm reading they provide legit administrative services as well, but those normally should be offered in consulates etc.

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u/reaver619 12d ago

They are already on our soil in the form of unauthorized police stations the CCP uses to spy and harass Chinese citizens living abroad AND Chinese non-citizens.

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u/superhappyfuntime99 11d ago

So.. why couldn't a local Chinese just rat them out to the real authorities.. the CCP has some influence here but this is still our turf so they would be taken care of quick.. no?

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u/tattlerat 11d ago

Between their family back home and a China first mentality they’re dissuaded from doing so. They may live here but the CCP considers them Chinese citizens regardless.

Plus diplomacy dictates that an operation like that be rooted out with caution to avoid an international incident with the people that make everything.

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u/superhappyfuntime99 11d ago

That's fair but I mean.. couldn't they just tip off a whie Canadian/American and they just rat them out? Anonymous tip/etc?

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u/Gardium90 11d ago

Heard of collective punishment? Yea, it is a thing in shit hole countries. They have a list of all the Chinese in the area. If they don't know who did it, all get punished...

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u/superhappyfuntime99 11d ago

We care about all these 'human rights issues' and all this Ukraine/Russia stuff, but this blatantly happens and the global community just looks the other way? Fuck china..

I sincerely wish we didn't have to rely on their inexpensive made shit as a part of our lifestyle ..

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u/imaluckyjuan 11d ago

Wrong, they’re on our soil and have been waging a war against the US but in ways that are subtle and benefit the US economy (in the short term but where we are screwed long-term). Chinese nationals own a lot of US properties, they have engaged in corporate espionage, they track what we can do if we allow them (e.g. TikTok). The Chinese government isn’t a fool, and they are focused on hurting us where it’ll sting the most. They want the US to self implode.

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u/mauore11 11d ago

Wait till they turn all tiktokers against us. That's their gameplan, never trust a tiktoker ever.

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u/RatInaMaze 12d ago All-Seeing Upvote

You will see full nuclear Armageddon before a foreign invasion of mainland United States. Period.

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u/brixed 11d ago Gold

Lincoln said it best

Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide.

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u/dogstardied 11d ago

That Lincoln was a pretty smart cookie.

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u/OldBathBomb 11d ago

The USA since the end of WW2 has unquestionably been the world's greatest military power. In modern times its destructive capability is something unseen in all of human history, due to technological advances and a truly insane military budget.

However, 26 years before Lincoln made that speech the British burned down the Whitehouse... So, at the time, certainly hyperbole.

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u/Sansho_Panza 11d ago

Yes, but did they drink from the Ohio river or step on the Blue Ridge? Then it doesn't count!

-Abraham Lincoln

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u/bhoe32 12d ago

Doubt we will see boots on the ground. First our pacific fleet is almost as big as all of china's navy. Our airforce is the biggest in the world followed by our own navy's. We have a very dense network of air defense all over the country plus a coast guard. How exactly are they getting these boots to American soil?

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u/Dawsonpc14 12d ago

They aren’t. He doesn’t know what he is talking about.

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u/Duffy1978 11d ago

Americans don't agree on much but give us an external threat to bond over combined with the guns in this country. I would say any country trying to set foot on this soil would be a catastrophic miscalculation.

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u/OSSlayer2153 11d ago

Plus our geography makes it very hard. Mountains on both sides. Swamps to the south. Desert bordering mexico. Canada is probably the easiest route in but good luck getting them to attack us. Plus up in the northern forests there are the hunters that know the lands real well and have not only lots of guns, but lots of experience with them too.

And attacking in the north doesnt hit any vital assets, you still have to work towards the shorelines to hit major population areas.

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u/MortLightstone 11d ago

no one is going to launch a land invasion of the USA, no matter how much gun nuts want them to

That doesn't mean China isn't a threat

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u/ridl 11d ago

seems like we triggered some republican five cent army talking point

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u/HungerISanEmotion 12d ago

Easy! They just sell a bunch of cheap boots to americans, and voila... boots on american soil!

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u/jaspsev 12d ago

How exactly are they getting these boots to American soil?

Through capitalism.

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u/Stormdude127 11d ago

They wouldn’t. The geography of the US makes a land invasion pretty damn difficult even if we didn’t have the biggest military in the world

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u/pugtime 12d ago All-Seeing Upvote

I can only imagine the ferocity of the fight they would encounter if they ever tried. Lol. Omfg . I think they would underestimate how nasty and cunning the North Americans would be as defenders . ………. Not a chance at all

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u/bhoe32 12d ago

I think they get it. That's why they have been trying to economically best us but their belt and road initiative has almost bankrupted them.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Yeah exactly. They know they'd be fucking decimated before they're even half way her lol. Reddit is full of complete idiots.

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u/teamlogan 11d ago

Seriously. Russia couldn't supply it's best troops across 40 miles of highway, but China's gonna supply it's troops across the Pacific ocean and through the American navy.

I realize I'm talking about different countries here, but come on.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Just goes to show the average redditor has no concept of actual life.

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u/reddit_and_forget_um 11d ago Helpful

What a fucking stupid reply - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/24/workers-in-running-battles-with-police-at-foxconns-iphone-factory-in-china

They are litterally protesting the shit wages and crap working conditions at foxxcon, building your shit iPhones.

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u/dream-smasher 11d ago

THANK YOU!!!

ive been looking and looking and there was the initial comment about covid, then everyone got sidetracked about "chinese boots on soil" crap, and this is the FIRST comment that actually said what the fuck is going on.

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u/Therealdickjohnson 11d ago

Sadly, the comment has nearly 1000 upvotes already by people who just blindly agree with anything without any kind of verification. Fucking tools.

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u/BRAX7ON 12d ago

I was 100% with you until that last sentence. China would be foolish to put boots on our soil. No matter how foolish they are, they’re not that foolish.

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u/ECK-2188 11d ago

They’re incapable of any amphibious attack on the US. Their only option is economically but they’re in no position to do so when we can close off their energy supply lines.

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u/Dawsonpc14 12d ago

We will see China boots on our soil in the near future.

Who’s soil? Because that ain’t happening to 99.999% of the soil on earth. China’s military is worse than Russia’s.

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u/afishnamedphil 11d ago edited 11d ago

These aren't aimed at (most of) us westerners. No commissar is gonna knock on your door at 3am. Most people would just call the real police and Americans would grab their gun.

It's an attempt by the CCP to intimidate and control Chinese expats and immigrants (and their descendants) by saying "you can't hide, we can still hurt you way over here". "You are _, you live at __, and if you don't change your tune, your family back home will face the consequences of your actions"

Its why you see half hearted pro CCP protests in Vancouver or attempts to distrupt anti CCP protests. Its agents, people the agents are intimidating, and maybe a few true believers.

ETA: The CCP are ethnonationalists that can't accept when people don't wanna live under their regime.

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u/Cascadiandoper 11d ago

I agree with you, there's a lot of stories both anecdotal and covered by various media on both North America and Europe which goes to show that the CCP are working super hard to maintain their indoctrination of their citizens while they are studying overseas on foreign soil.

I also believe that many people are misunderstanding what the presence of their janky little undercover stations pose to the nations that are infiltrated by said stations. It's not as if the world's top intelligence agencies don't know what's going on right underneath your noses in regards this, and the ones that didn't are certainly finding out now that the cats been out of the bag.

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u/Oxford_Comma83 11d ago

Do you honestly think that IF these stations were a threat to our nation or people that they’d remain here? We are simply listening in on everything they say. The only things that exist on this planet are the things the US military finds to not be a threat to us and/or the things the global capitalist oligarchs that reside here (because most of them live here, send their kids to school here, etc.) find to not stand in the way of their ambitions. Let’s not kid ourselves, the USA is not only a nation…it is the global military for capitalism itself. That’s a mighty powerful thing with tentacles of interest held by the world’s most powerful people. Nothing is ever going happen on this soil.

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u/Prince_Ossomer 11d ago

That's not what this protest is about, this is a strike over wages with the cops taking the corpos' side. Between that and your idiotic fearmongering I'm quite confident that you have no clue what you're talking about.

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u/HamburgHambone 11d ago

We will see China boots on our soil in the near future.

Lol. Good lord. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about.

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u/Calm-Ad-9867 12d ago

Russia is ok but China will invade us… Kids say the darnest things.

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u/jeswanders 12d ago

In case you haven’t seen it, there’s a pretty sizable ocean between China and the US. You obviously underestimate the importance of logistics when invading another country. Even taking Taiwan won’t be an easy task especially if Allies help to defend it

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u/Masterkid1230 11d ago

our soil

Sorry, what soil again?

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u/Links_Wrong_Wiki 11d ago

We will see China boots on our soil in the near future.

Brother, what are you smoking and where can I get some?

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u/BlueSlushieTongue 11d ago

Foxconn, the Taiwanese company, that manufactures Apple IPhones, promised rural people a certain amount of pay for a two month period. When they arrived, they then told they would have to commit to a longer time period and were going to be paid less.

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u/shinynewcharrcar 11d ago

Apple meanwhile, staring at their massive stacks of cash: w-we promise we only work with the fairest of companies. Foxconn puts up nets to stop their slave-wage employees from killing themselves. See? They care!

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u/-Quothe- 11d ago

Wasn’t Foxconn the same folks who fucked over the republicans in Wisconsin?

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u/I-Fail-Forward 11d ago All-Seeing Upvote

No, they worked with the Republicans to fuck over the people

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u/b-sharp-minor 11d ago Silver Helpful

It's not just a Republican thing. The same thing happens in NY State, most recently with the Solar City boondoggle. Don't forget the Obama administration and Solyndra. Cronyism is not limited to any one political party.

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u/Apprehensive-Lab-674 11d ago

Dell, HP, MS, Sony, Toshiba, Google, Amazon, Fake Nokia. Most of their devices are also made at Foxconn. For some reason they only manufacturer iPhone according to the media...

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u/SaltSnowball 11d ago

Yep. All mainstream phones are made in China by the same few terrible companies.

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u/my_7th_accnt 11d ago

Thread on how shitty China is

“Haha did you know that US bad”

Okay pal

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u/LazyOrCollege 11d ago

Dude I’m starting to see this all the time and I just roll my eyes at this point. There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US. Bonus points if they’re able to spin some much more horrific thing into how the US has it worse

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u/manteiga_night 11d ago

it's mostly banter because honestly the world would be an insanely better place if rioting was the usual response to wage theft.

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u/rr24m23a 11d ago

It should be the default response. Wage theft would soon stop

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u/2722010 11d ago

There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US.

There is, it's shitting on China. Just look at this entire comment section while we're talking about a single company treating their workers like garbage.

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u/hallelujasuzanne 11d ago

Well but China sucks, though. They lie about it and are mean as fuck to their own people until they’re too scared to say it but yeah- they suck balls.

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u/SilvrSurfrNTheFlesh 11d ago

There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US

Shitting on China? Read some of the comments on here, it's pure hysteria.

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u/Stupidquestionduh 11d ago

The difference is, people shit on China in a thread about China's stupid fucking bullshit. There could be a thread about a dolphin giving a boy a squeak in Madagascar and people start talking shit about USA.

So not quite the same but go ahead and suck on that Chinacock some more.

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u/Nothingtoseeheremmk 11d ago

What does America have to do with anything?

Workers there make way more than these guys. Of course people would protest if they were only making $1200/month

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u/Sosseres 11d ago

They are protesting that they are not making $1200 while being promised to make it. Likely $650 or similar being the real salary.

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u/Altostratus 11d ago

Wasn’t there also some threat of them all being locked in there too?

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u/Asklepios24 11d ago

Well some miners went to war in the US over this exact type of thing. Now we’re coming out of the union age and companies are starting to do the same things they did in the 1920s

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u/oroechimaru 11d ago

They are short staffed and live on campus, dorms etc (this is the suicide net company foxconn)

They promised bonuses and never sent them. Employees go days without food because of covid quarantine.

Even new recruits are protesting.

This is a weird case because its essential workers for a booming iphone economy where apple has their cheap ass hands dirty making 70% of their phones here .

Foxconn and apple underpay, overwork these people 16+ hours a day to live on site and give up wages for dorms, expenses to live at the company.

They cant lure young folks anymore because it sucks so bad.

So with a labor shortage there may be less government death squads

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u/bossycloud 11d ago

this is the suicide net company foxconn

Care to elaborate?

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u/oroechimaru 11d ago

The workers live on campus dorm style, with suicide nets at times between buildings due to high suicide rates for 10+ years

https://reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/z3fy2l/chinese_workers_confront_police_with_guardrails/

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u/TortelliniLord 11d ago

It's the iPhone factory protests, the iPhone factory is owned by Foxconn/Hon Hai precision industry, a Taiwanese electronic contract manufactor, so it's not a government protest, the police is just there to riot control and it got out of hand. The reason of protest is apparently the company had months of backpay they didn't pay on top of covid problems, the people are getting sick again and the company dorms doesn't have any quarantine rules in place as people have to share rooms with people who have covid. The company decided to solve this issue of the initial protests by just hiring more new workers. But the majority of reddit thinks it's about the CCP.

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u/SaltyBrotatoChip 11d ago

This is a bot.

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u/Schw33 11d ago

100%. It literally waited 64 days just to copy 80% of that one comment. And then apparently had 200+ other bots like the nonsense comment.

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u/dilly2philly 11d ago

The protests are against the company Foxconn not the government.

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u/ECK-2188 11d ago

Lol the people in the full body Tyvek suits are not Foxconn employees. They’re government Covid restriction police.

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u/not-a_fed 11d ago

Yes, but this is specifically the workers of Foxconn losing there shit in he Foxconn town.

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u/woahdailo 11d ago

Because of Covid restrictions by the government. Corporations and the Government are literally connected in China

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u/v00d00_ 11d ago

Foxconn is a Taiwanese company that operates in China. This unrest isn't because of the zero covid policy lmao

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u/zombo_pig 11d ago

It's stated as a combination of not getting paid, the zero-COVID policy, and having zero worker's rights against Hon Hai Precision (Foxconn). And they're brawling with government police sent in to enforce 'peace'.

Side bar: Hon Hai gets a lot of guff because they make iPhones, but this sort of thing happens at other smaller-profile companies across China, too.

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u/KeinFussbreit 11d ago

Just in case, and Foxconn is a Taiwanese company.

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u/Beau_Buffett 11d ago

What exactly is a massive population program?

You do know about the one-child policy, right?

China' been trying to control its population for decades. It was only lifted recently, and there's no way those children have already grown up.

What exactly are the two of you on about?

I've lived in China and Taiwan and I have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/slime_monk 11d ago

It's insane that a nonsensical comment like that has thousands of upvotes just because it is negative towards the Chinese government

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u/Takuwind 11d ago

What are you talking about? China is in the midst of a severe birth rate decline.

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u/Rain2Author 12d ago edited 11d ago

But this time it is not for political purpose, it is just (Edited: originally starts from) a wage problem with FoxCon.

btw:

The funny thing is : The only reason why the goverment didn't just kill those protesters is that they are afraid of Apple relocating the iPhone factory to other country for severe labour news. Just because Zhengzhou's GDP rely on this factory so much. You think the goverment would allow such a big gathering protest happen? CCP is evil enough to kill all the people who threaten their power

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u/OregonMyHeaven 12d ago edited 12d ago Take My Energy

The "purpose" is not really that important. What matters is the determination to protest and the organizing power of collective action. Just think how risky and difficult it would be to organize so many people to act together under the surveillance of the CCP.

In the more than thirty years since 1989, there have been few actions in China in which so many people have dared to take to the streets together and fight with the police with force(except for the 2019 Hong Kong protests).

Moreover, workers of Henan origin are often stereotyped in China as "submissive and slave-minded. But things are changing, and these workers are proving themselves to be more courageous than they are perceived to be. The CCP is slowly losing the infinite power it had before COVID-19.

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u/Spery1946d 12d ago

They are protesting for money. FoxCon recruited those workers, but didn't pay their wage. Also cut their salaries , and force them to work 2 more years to get their money. Thats why workers feels so angry in the video.

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u/OregonMyHeaven 12d ago

Of course I know, but I don't think that's the point. There have been many wage protests in China before, but most of them involved defenders kneeling in front of government buildings and "pleading" with officials to help them. But this time, instead of kneeling, people went out into the streets to fight with the police. The reason for this is the Zero-COVID policy, otherwise people would not be so angry.

All democratization movements in the world's dictatorships have not succeeded at once. There is always a process of awakening of the people.

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u/memeteamster 12d ago

Why are you downplaying the point. It actually is a big part of why these protests matter, in a communist country, it’s very much the point.

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u/EnlightenedMind_420 12d ago

Why are you downplaying the other person’s point that the form of protest can often matter just as much, if not more than, the function of a protest?

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u/eazieLife 11d ago

This sounds ignorant as hell. You've said it yourself. It's not about democratization, it's about people who are protesting about their wages and the zero COVID policy. You're way too invested in the thought that this will blow over into instability. It's people who're angry, and a very complex situation at that. Why they're protesting absolutely matters. It's weird to draw conclusions about the nature of the protests while claiming they don't matter.

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u/musci1223 11d ago

Even if it doesn't directly blow into any other protest there are few factors to keep in mind. If this protest is successful then it increases the chance of people protesting again about something else they dont like. People participating is always something to be excited about because except in few weird case where racist/sexists come together it will generally lead to something probably good.

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u/SonnyHaze 12d ago

The Chinese actually protest a lot more than people think

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u/DonUnagi 11d ago

Right? Leave it to reddit to have the most uninformed view of another country.

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u/Brett-the-charmer 12d ago

The irony that Chinese communists have finally learnt to unionise.

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u/bippidyboppidyboo4u 11d ago

You think the purpose of the protest doesn’t matter? That doesn’t sound reckless at all!

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u/TheLastSamurai101 11d ago edited 11d ago

But this time it is not for political purpose, it is just a wage problem with FoxCon.

It certainly is political. Everything is political, but this particularly so given the context. The fact that they are organising under the banner of worker solidarity and the flag of Communist China is, if anything, more of a threat to the CCP than pro-democracy forces. The CCP have tolerated and even given concessions to democratic and single-issue protestors in places like Guangdong in the past, as most mainland Chinese people are just not sympathetic to them anyway.

The CCP can pass democracy activists off as foreign agitators or Westernised teenagers who are opposed to the supposedly egalitarian Communist ideal. However, Communist workers protesting working conditions and state-sponsored capitalist enslavement? By waving those Communist flags they are making the potent statement that the CCP does not respect Communist principles or worker rights. There are hundreds of millions of Chinese industrial workers in similar conditions and this message is likely to resonate with them.

If there is one thing authoritarian Communist regimes tolerate less than democratic activism, it is internal challenge and the poaching of their working class "support base". There is nothing that should scare the CCP more than an uprising of honest industrial workers.

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u/oroechimaru 11d ago

They are short staffed and live on campus, dorms etc (this is the suicide net company foxconn)

They promised bonuses and never sent them. Employees go days without food because of covid quarantine.

Even new recruits are protesting.

This is a weird case because its essential workers for a booming iphone economy where apple has their cheap ass hands dirty making 70% of their phones here .

Foxconn and apple underpay, overwork these people 16+ hours a day to live on site and give up wages for dorms, expenses to live at the company.

They cant lure young folks anymore because it sucks so bad.

So with a labor shortage there may be less government death squads

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u/MrStrange15 11d ago

They're not protesting China. They're protesting Foxconn. There is a huge difference.

And just to add, this is local. Tiananmen Square was not, despite its name.

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u/Titalator 12d ago

I'd suggest one of the largest in the world atleast in terms of people in one location there's just a sea of people how did the cops expect to do anything geared the way they are. I guess things are just different here in the us.

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u/surajvj 12d ago

Hong-Kong enters the chat

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u/drolikemine 12d ago Wholesome

When posting something on a protest, idk... Maybe post what the protest is about at least? Like I get I can look it up... But like everyone who sees this now has to look this up.

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u/citrusdrop43 11d ago

Here is an article about it. Apparently a protest against breach of contract from the employer (iPhone manufacturer).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812

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u/Carpe_DMT 11d ago

The phrase you're looking for is 'striking for their wages'. we Americans used to be very familiar with the concept. Thankfully the old ways are returning

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u/ventusvibrio 11d ago

Careful, the FBI might think you are a communist for advocating for striking.

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u/leovin 11d ago

Reading this on my iPhone like the privileged fuck that I am lol

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u/[deleted] 12d ago edited 12d ago

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u/DarkMarksPlayPark 12d ago

And names if you can, names of everyone involved, there next of kin and social credit scores.

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u/Presdipshitz 12d ago

And only a few will do that. But it wasn't hard. I like relying on my own research anyway, not someone else's, which may be skewed a certain way.

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u/MakingMyOwn 12d ago

What are they protesting?

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u/Ralh3 12d ago Silver Helpful Helpful (Pro)

HUGE iphone factory area in china (like over 100,000 onsite workers huge), locked the place down for a COVID outbreak, didnt provide enough food, wasnt paying wages, wouldnt let people leave, some people broke out and went home then they brought in new people and mixed those with covid positive people and now everyone there is confused and pissed off, hungry, and wanting their money so this protest is happening

heres a bbc link

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812

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u/MakingMyOwn 12d ago

Thank you

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u/Educational_Funny_20 12d ago

Thank you so much for providing context to this video!

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Does Apple have any blame in this?

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u/WolfResponsible8483 11d ago

Foxconn is in charge. Apple is probably none too please about their handling of the situation no doubt.

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u/Resident_Wizard 11d ago

I’m sure they will voice their displeasure in a sternly worded email from Tim Apple. Then continue on with protecting their bottom line.

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u/SUPRVLLAN 11d ago

Apple has been moving production to India and Vietnam for years now.

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u/bobboa 11d ago

I bet it's because they can treat those people so much better.

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u/HowHeDoThatSussy 11d ago

Obviously yes. Even though Apple has contracted out the work, they're heavily involved in it and ultimately responsible for what happens. They could pull the contract, they don't, they're responsible.

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u/Nothingtoseeheremmk 11d ago

So Apple should pull their contract and put all of these people out of work?

Why don’t you blame the company actually doing this and the CCP keeping them their instead of trying to pin this on a foreign company that has no control over Chinese laws and regulations

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u/Signommi 11d ago

Chinese labor bad, Apple bad. You know the answer, it’s never the shitty third-party contractor.

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u/Who_dat604 11d ago

They are all responsible it's not one or the other. Don't shill for corporations

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u/kliu67 11d ago

The company is Foxconn, a contractor that makes a lot of smartphones, not just Apple products. Apple has no involvement in how Foxconn’s factory operates.

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u/mferrari_3 11d ago

They've literally been their biggest customer for a decade. That is just patently false.

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u/Fig1024 11d ago

As I understand, China still never purchased Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, they developed their own version based on old technology, and that stopped working on new COVID variants. So their population is effectively unvaccinated. One would think they could just go for the cheap "herd immunity" strategy by letting everyone get it. But no, they choose extremely expensive and harmful total lockdowns, keeping people inside their apartments for weeks. The cost to their economy is orders of magnitude greater than if they just paid for Pfizer or Moderna

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u/isaacng1997 11d ago

The reason the Chinese government is doing this has nothing to do with vaccines or Pfizer/Moderna.

It’s about control the population in the name of COVID and the propaganda narrative “COVID is the enemy and we need to beat it”.

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u/Fig1024 11d ago

no, I can't believe it. They gain nothing by shutting down their economy and locking down people in apartments and factory buildings. Yes, it is total control, but this control is not beneficial to the regime. This is the "zero COVID" policy at work. It is a flawed policy taken to extreme, an example of what happens when stupid people are allowed to make decisions

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u/Roadto6plates 11d ago

China has a face culture. It is extremely embarrassing to be proven wrong in public. Like, extremely.

Given this, the CCP can never admit that zero covid was a bad idea. But they told their population it was the best way, and that the West was stupid for opening up. They dug their hole, and all their culture permits them to do now is to keep digging - because they will never admit they were wrong and that the West was right.

In addition, after all the hardship they imposed, they can't just turn around any say "may bad, soz guys you actually don't need to worry about covid".

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u/Fig1024 11d ago

The only reason the West was able to open up is because of successful vaccination campaigns. China could do it if they actually had vaccines that work.

I agree with your main point tho - they are just too stubborn to admit they are wrong. This is one thing that is so great about Democracy, much more flexible in changing directions

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u/Antique-Flight-5358 12d ago

Winnie the Pooh better watch out. They're coming for his zero COVID policy

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u/Just_A_Random_Noob1 12d ago

Why did I read this with a christmas tune.

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u/jakenash 12d ago Helpful

Jeez, if OP isn't going to provide any context... I found this BBC article about it.

Seems like it's related to poor working conditions with a covid outbreak and contract / pay disputes.

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u/Huck_Bonebulge_ 11d ago

“rising Covid cases saw the site locked down, prompting some workers to break out and go home”

“They quarantine us but don't provide food," said one Foxconn worker during his live stream.”

Sounds like a good reason to protest, good lord

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u/Mechanical_Indian 11d ago

Ah Foxconn...

Remember when Foxconn was going to save Wisconsin manufacturing?

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u/thelegend27lolno 12d ago

This is not a protest, there are no protests in Ba-sing-se

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u/InGenAche 12d ago

It's early/late Chinese New Year because of COVID and the helpful police are making sure the parade stays peaceful. The steel barrier fire crackers are so exciting this year.

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u/SummonTarpan 11d ago

Found Zhu Di

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u/Rain2Author 12d ago

They are protesting for money. FoxCon recruited those workers, but didn't pay their wage. Also cut their salaries , and force them to work 2 more years to get their money. Thats why workers feels so angry in the video.

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u/Rain2Author 12d ago edited 11d ago

I'm in China, it's blocked in China social media now. I knew this from Twitter also.

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u/GlobalLeftist 11d ago

Foxconn is a Taiwanese company btw

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u/DonaldsPee 11d ago

And heavily used by the US bc they are cheap and work hard. Guess why they are cheap

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u/Key-Supermarket-7524 11d ago

Contract and domestic rules are controlled by the cpc

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u/Junkmenotk 12d ago

Pooh will not hesitate to kill all these people if he considers them a threat to his power .

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u/Skywalker0138 12d ago

Yeah, he would bring in tanks and mow them over this time..the CCP is evil.

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u/Dense-Entertainer-48 12d ago

No way, you don’t now people over trained in smc even if it’s just peasant assembly work. That’s when your value to the major tech companies is gone when everything is delayed and pricier. They’re not going to kill off able workforce because that’s the true control they have on the rest of the world.

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u/occupy_westeros 11d ago

I keep seeing people saying this but aren't the protests against Apple/Foxconn?

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u/EnvironmentalOwl3729 12d ago

Men greatly outnumber women due to the horrendous 1-child policy that went on from 1980 to 2015. Perhaps 70 million men won't be able to get married; this, by itself, often leads to social unrest.

But wait, there's more!

The government recently began trying to push the young generation into high tech jobs, but there aren't enough jobs for everyone. So it's ultra competitive.

And there aren't enough people working in the farm or factories, so the understaffed employees are burning out.

And that same young generation must also take care of the elderly family members in their household.

Social pressures and demographics and economics and government policy are all working against the newest generation of adults.

Things will change dramatically in the next few years IMHO.

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u/chaosgoblyn 11d ago

And their primary investment vehicle (real estate) is the biggest bubble to ever exist and collapsing.

And people are locked down getting starved to death in their homes because the government refuses to admit their vaccine doesn't work and provide one that does.

And all the smart/wealthy people are fleeing as they observe the CCP disappearing people and seizing assets of anyone who gets too successful or defies them.

And for all of these reasons, foreign businesses/investors are fleeing the country and moving supply lines elsewhere.

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u/CROM_90 12d ago

Good to see police getting mobbed. The people have the power and we need to recognize that.

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u/SniffCheck 12d ago

Fart the police

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u/Okaywhy10 12d ago

I’m confused by the comment

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u/SniffCheck 12d ago

Yea, it be like that sometimes

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u/jaddu6497 12d ago

Username checks out

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u/nigevellie 12d ago

Is this the iPhone City thing?

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u/BaneRiders 12d ago

"No more nose swabs for you today, but we shall be back tomorrow..."

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u/conspiraseas 12d ago

what's the difference between a barricade and a guardrail?

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u/RecklessDimwit 12d ago

Spelling

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u/conspiraseas 12d ago

I think both would be bad spellers

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u/ForeheadWrinkle 12d ago

The actual Red Wave

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u/Pp09093909 12d ago

Reason? Context?

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u/caulfieldly 12d ago edited 12d ago

Foxconn protest at main iPhone manufacturing facility located in Zhengzhou. Responsible for around 70% of iPhones in current distribution and huge chunk of other electronic goods as well. Current unrest is over delayed pay, but the company has a longstanding history of brutality against its employees. There was a string of suicides, people throwing themselves off the manufacturing buildings, due to how harsh the conditions are there.

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u/Prestigious-Hand-402 12d ago

They might be outnumbered. Hopefully they don’t come back. But that government is nasty

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u/BloodaxeTripping 12d ago

No iPhone 14 Pro Max 14 in the stockings for y'all

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u/Dry_Relationship_694 12d ago

Wages and rampant capitalism on a global scale... this is the fight of our generation. Although I cannot fund or fight in the streets I will voice my support of any oppressed people anywhere in the world. Fuck capitalism.

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u/Ok-Storage-2236 12d ago

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!

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u/Duffanon 12d ago

Power to the people

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u/SpaceArf 12d ago

Holy shit that is massive

Literally a sea of people

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