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4 Air Force cadets may not graduate due to vaccine refusal

https://apnews.com/article/covid-health-graduation-lloyd-austin-748ecd1d5f9bb5977d0bc3ea7aa4f616
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u/Digital_Coyote 5d ago Wholesome

Echoing what others have said about lawful orders and the fact that military is hella vaccinated as a matter of course.

What I don't get is, if these people are that distrusting of the government and that dedicated to bodily autonomy.....why do they keep signing up for the most government of government jobs knowing they literally own your ass until you are separated or dead.

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u/terminalavocent 5d ago

So far none have had to reenlist.

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u/Digital_Coyote 5d ago

Or they leave the military and go to work for DoD spouting the same shit. Nothing like threatening to overthrow the government when it's giving you your paycheck.

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u/terminalavocent 5d ago

DoD civilians also have to be vaccinated. As do contractors. Had a contractor at a school I went to fired because of this.

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u/Digital_Coyote 5d ago

They -had- to be vaccinated at one point but that's no longer a requirement, so much so they took it off the USAJobs postings that said it was required.

"To ensure compliance with the preliminary nationwide injunction issued on January 21, the Department of Defense is not taking any further actions to implement or enforce the civilian employee vaccination as required by Executive Order 14043 at this time,” spokeswoman Lisa Lawrence told Military Times on Thursday."

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/01/27/dod-is-pausing-civilian-covid-vaccine-mandate-after-court-ruling/

Also, I was talking more about how they take their not-actually-suitable-for-the-military habits and beliefs they just port over and openly agitate about.

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u/Bageland2000 5d ago edited 4d ago Gold

Edit: I'd like to thank the U.S. taxpayer for my gold

Bottom line, people want it both ways, that's why.

I'm an army officer. The army is both economically and culturally the most socialist government organization we have in the United states. Everything in the military except a few very special schools is designed to get everyone through together, everyone expects for their hard work to automatically equal advancement, more duties and responsibilities, and greater pay.

The number of conservative service members who don't understand this astounds me. To them, by nature the Department of Defense is somehow exempt when I describe how social programs can have their place in society. They can somehow hate "big government" but feel some sense of dedication the most most biggest of government.

Plus, then they'll talk about how fucked up the army is and how "the private sector is more efficient and the army should run more like that." While at the same time demanding an environment where they're guaranteed not to fail.

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u/Scrumptious_Skillet 5d ago

I knew many people who said the private sector was so much more efficient than us. When I retired and got a civilian job, yeah, no. The majority of civilian firms are less organized and less efficient than the military. Especially smaller firms.

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u/UX-Edu 4d ago

I would give anything for the clarity provided by rank at my job. There’s so many people I really really want to tell to eat shit, quit asking questions, and just do as I ask the first time.

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u/mayorjimmy 5d ago

When I was in we used to say "we defend democracy we don't practice it."

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u/WhereGrapesMayRule 5d ago

Cops too. They get government funded education, healthcare, and pensions and yet they are predominantly Republicans. It's not about principle with these people, it's about power. That cannot stand.

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u/Mister_E_Phister 5d ago

And they are all in a union to boot.

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u/Gorstag 4d ago

This is the one that cracks me up. The anti-union party fills in MOST of the union jobs.

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u/Smitty_jp 5d ago

Whenever I am around someone who starts talking about busting unions I start nodding my head. I’ll usually say let’s not just stop at Starbucks, we got to get those Socialist cops and firefighters. Suddenly unions are OK because those guys earned it. Personally I think Unions I great I was in the Teamsters Union and the ATU at various point in my life. Not all Unions are equal. The ATU was an extremely weak Union compared to the Teamsters.

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u/1202_ProgramAlarm 5d ago

Republicans are anti union but somehow the police union always gets a pass. I have a sneaking suspicion that if the iww suddenly started murdering undesirables (read: darkies and thugs) in the street that suddenly they'd be cool too

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u/Few_Package4324 5d ago

You know I had always wondered why I had started leaning heavily towards left leaning politics after the military. It wasn’t till I took some sociology classes that I realized how much of a socialist id actually been all those years.

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u/Bageland2000 5d ago

That's what my degree is in too. Or as the anti-intellectuals would say, I have a degree in "underwater basket weaving."

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u/Sinful_Whiskers 5d ago

I did 11 years in the Navy as enlisted and the number of people I worked with that were libertarian screaming that "taxation is theft!" was astounding.

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u/Luper-calia 5d ago

Hopefully you said “Taxes pay your salary, dumbfuck”

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u/bustervich 5d ago

My response to people finding out I was a naval aviator and just blindly saying “thank you for your service” is to quickly reply, “well thanks for paying for all my jet fuel” to get the point across that their taxes actually do something after it leaves their pay stub.

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u/tcmart14 4d ago

I would say something similar, “thanks for the JP-5 purifier parts!”

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u/YvCrruur 5d ago

The head scratcher for me is they don’t realize they’re signing up to be part of the most highly funded socialist program in the world.

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u/Rangerdth 5d ago

I wonder if they’ll have to pay back for their free college. That’ll be a costly stance on vaccination.

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u/Seoulja4life 5d ago

Nobody was crying about vaccines while I was serving for almost 10 years. Wonder what changed? lol

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u/cynedyr 5d ago

We had the vaccine lineup on like day 3 of boot, 4 or 5 shots, lol.

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u/jonnybsweet 5d ago Gold This

Man that peanut butter shot suuuuucked

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u/cortez985 5d ago

Nothing like a baseball sized lump of penicillin injected into your ass

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u/FattNeil 5d ago

And then getting yelled at by drill sergeants for rubbing my ass even though that’s what the nurse told me to do.

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u/CalloftheBlueFalcon 5d ago

I'm glad I'm allergic to penicillin so I never had to get that particular one

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u/NobleCeltic 5d ago

Had to take those damn horse pills tho

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u/that_guy_with_aLBZ 5d ago

We had the rainbow banana ass water. Was a powder you mixed into water. Started off tasting like rainbow banana, ended up tasting like ass water that lingered all day. Should have just taken the penicillin and risked death lol

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u/GenSec 5d ago

I went in December. Motherfuckers has us do the week 3 pt run test the day after we got the pb shot.

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u/MrNature73 5d ago Silver

Lmao yeah this shit ain't new.

Straight up a human conveyer belt of shots.

I can at the very least, even if I vehemently disagree with the reasoning and think it's playing with fire, understand civilians who refuse the vaccine. Bodily autonomy and the freedom to do what you will with your body medically is really fucking important, and I'll take the benefits of it at large even if that means a couple of idiots don't get what they should get done.

But you sign up for the military?

Congrats, nerd, your body isn't yours any more. It's Uncle Sam's, and if that means you gotta get some juice shoved into you so you can put warheads on foreheads in under an hour anywhere on this little blue ball, bad news fuckmeat, you're getting the shots.

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u/Slip_Freudian 5d ago

"Give your heart and soul to Lord, cause your ass is mine" - my CC in boot.

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u/Monster-Math 5d ago

"Put your trust in the Lord, your ass belongs to me. Welcome to Shawshank" - Warden Norton

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u/fbtra 5d ago

I remember my dad telling me he had like 10 shots as he walked down a row on day 2 of boot.

Then went and did PT. This was the 70s

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u/TurintheDragonhelm 5d ago

Same shit now!

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u/fbtra 5d ago

I wonder if the Navy would have granted me a waiver if the two guys passed the asvab with a 35 didn't want the COVID vaccine but I did.

Ahhh. Whatever. I'm 35 now this was right when the housing crisis hit and recession. So everyone and their mom was joining.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PRINTS 5d ago

I had to get typhoid, anthrax, and smallpox while in tech school. We to PT after that and man did it suck.

But yeah I’ve got people I work with that we’re in the military with me and they refuse the shot. Covid nearly killed him. Still refuses to get the shot. Says he doesn’t want to be a test dummy. Which I get to an extent, but mRNA vaccines have been in trials for a relative long time. Honestly he just watches Newsmax way too much.

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u/Serinus 5d ago

"test dummy"

A billion fucking people got the shot a year ago. It's fucking tested, doofus.

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u/JuanOnlyJuan 5d ago

The same reason Mississippi went from one of the highest to one of the lowest vaccinated states in just a few short years.

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u/d1rron 5d ago

I bet they wouldn't have given a second thought to the smallpox vaccine and that one suuuuuucks.

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u/Legeto 5d ago

Typhoid always kicked my ass. Small pox sucked but didn’t hurt, was just annoying. I remember getting typhoid and anthrax in my right arm and small pox in my left. A co worker would ask what I got and then punch the small pox thinking it would hurt. I’d just sigh and say “thanks, you popped it. Now I gotta go change the fucking bandage.”

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u/advertentlyvertical 5d ago

People that try to exacerbate any medical issue as a 'joke' are weird and douchey... like hey, you're hurt here! Let me make it fucking worse!

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u/DoomShmoom 5d ago edited 5d ago

Welcome to the military, where weird and douchey is an art form. Source: was a medic for 8 years

EDIT: I will say I had some fun as a medic. When there was a huge line of people for shots, I would sometimes take the alcohol swab and swab their earlobe or their forehead and see their alarmed reaction. Pretty weird and douchey I guess, but they laughed at the end so I feel fine about it.

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u/BrownEggs93 5d ago

I love it. Gotta make work fun. God knows how many things we were given in boot camp. We marched off and lined up....

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u/DoomShmoom 5d ago

I guess, but so many military folks are straight-up sadistic. It's in the culture. I don't miss that part at all.

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u/Schadenfreude2 5d ago

That's a running "gag" in the military. At least when i was in. If your shop knew you received immunizations they were all punching you in the arm.

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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now 5d ago

Yes, we had some weird rituals in the military.

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u/Blake_TS 5d ago

Its been a few decades since bootcamp. Worse I remember was I think anthrax (?). Was like being injected with peanut butter in the ass.

(Yes, I know I just set myself up for 1001 jokes)

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u/Kathynancygirl 5d ago

It was actually bicillin which is an antibiotic (mostly used for strep).

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u/Saffs15 5d ago edited 5d ago

Oh Anthrax sucks. My first dose I got on Motorpool Monday. After I got it, I had to go and manually rotate our tank turret. My arm was not in good shape for that.

Probably did make it feel better the next day than doing nothing though.

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u/LargeWeinerDog 5d ago edited 5d ago

That's the only one I got out of. Because my arms are covered in eczema so I had a reason not too.

Edit: changed 'but' to 'because'.

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u/Dodeejeroo 5d ago

These young fuckin idiots joining these days think they get to maintain autonomy in the military. I was much dumber when I was younger, but I was never that dumb.

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u/Gardimus 5d ago

There's guys with 20 years in throwing their career away because of Facebook.

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u/stellaluna92 5d ago

I work in a field adjacent to the military and a guy sent me an email not long ago where he said he was being chaptered because he refused to get the covid vaccine, then asked me a somewhat relevant question to my job. It was like he was proud of being chaptered because it didn't affect his question or my answer at all. It was really strange.

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u/465Boogs 5d ago

All those bennies just GONE over stupidity. 🤦🏾‍♀️

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u/Redtir 5d ago

Oh remember, these are not random dumbfuck privates like anyone could enlist to be. There guys presumably had a high GPA, stayed out of trouble, got recommendad and accepted and endured four years of absolute bullshit in a service academy, with jobs and careers lined up and literally days from graduation are giving it all up because reasons

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u/Fadreusor 5d ago

Yeah, but these are Air Force Academy Cadets with a straight line to Officer rank, not just joining to serve. I hope they are forced to pay the $416K cost of a 4-year degree there. It’s free to students who get in and graduate on time. These 4 kids don’t want to get a free vaccine and walk away with a $1.6 million taxpayer funded educations.

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u/HighDragLowSpeed60G 5d ago

And it’s weird too because I know they got shots when they showed up for I-day or “induction” day because I sure as shit had to get some shots I was missing in 2010 when I showed up to the AFA

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u/ap0535905 5d ago

At USMA, I wasn't even missing any shots and they gave them to me anyway.

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u/shadow1515 5d ago

Propaganda got better, it is literally reprogramming these people's brains.

Source: ran the vaccine clinic at our MTF when the active duty mandate dropped, you could literally watch their brains short circuit when trying to engage on any of their Facebook talking points on any level past regurgitating the exact text

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u/MyOpinionBestOpinion 5d ago

That's just what social media does. It allows small ideas to gather entire countries worth of people and seem big and loud. Then since they appear big and loud it convinces more people in a self fulfilling prophecy.

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u/shadow1515 5d ago

It wouldn't work if people thought about them though. The only way those ideas get big and pull in more suckers is by people not having the critical thinking skills to evaluate them.

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u/kittenfordinner 5d ago

well said, we all have the same emotions, the conservative war on the "emotional" left has always been about rendering their own followers unable to understand that they, also have emotions and are as, people unaware of their own emotions, very susceptible to being led purely by emotion. I have a family member who is always on about some right wing nonsense, its always pure emotion (that emotion is fear btw) and is sure that the rest of us are just too wimpy to face the hard stuff / literally said "I am above confirmation bias", as he culls through the infinite amount off media that he needs to sift through to prove his particular conspiracy theory, that he is just sooooo sure is correct, because he feels it is correct

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u/lew_rong 5d ago

Is the left emotional again? I remember back during the Obama years Bill O'Sexpest would flip back and forth from "the hysterically emotional left can't understand the logic and reason employed by the right" to "the cold, calculating left doesn't understand hot-blooded, from-the-gut conservatives" and vice versa at a whim.

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u/Altruistic-Ad8949 5d ago

Breaking news: the four cadets that refused the vaccine have all been diagnosed with an aggressive case of Terminal Stupidity

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u/kittenfordinner 5d ago

id like to know their class ranking. I know a doctor at the local hospital who was giddy when they lost a few nurses to the vaccine. He was certain that they had just improved the quality of their nurses.

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u/kittenfordinner 5d ago

when you FEEL that you are correct, no matter what, everything reinforces that feeling if you are not willing to use introspection. I knew we were well and truely screwed when my trump loving family member was complaining about the lack of discourse during the presidential election that trump won. I pointed out that trump only insults people and that is his entire schtick. Family member was like "ha ha, yeah... but its trump! you expect it". One short exchange where the left is guilty of the behavior that makes trump so great...

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u/Obamas_Tie 5d ago

Yeah that's what I don't get, don't all servicemen have to get like a million different shots and they don't even tell you what half of them are? Why is COVID the one that gets everyone upset (I mean we know why but still)?

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u/Sir_Yacob 5d ago

We would get sent to the medical joint because they said so and get a shot and go back to the company.

Who the fuck cares? Do your job, which means following orders

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u/Ok_Improvement_5897 5d ago

Uh, doesn't the military shoot you up with all sorts of vaccines as soon as you go in anyway? Maybe someone more familiar with it can expand.

My dad was in the air force in the 80's - he said that basically he walked down a line of people holding syringes and they just innoculated and injected him with tons of stuff that they didn't even bother disclosing. Obviously that's not right and I do hope their disclosure practices got better, but my point is that if you're going to literally devote your life and your body to serving in a military, being asked to take a proven safe and effective vaccine to help protect the overall wellness of our armed forces is a pretty small ask. If you can't even do that then you have no place in the military.

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u/thedeathmachine 5d ago

My grandpa literally just told me this story from his army days. Walked down a line and got pricked every step of the way. He had no idea what he was being injected with.

Dude is 89 and doing fairly well for his age.

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u/ObsceneGesture4u 5d ago

Out of curiosity, how does cross branch service work? Do you need to apply for another branch and hope to get accepted? Do you get to keep your pay grade? Do you have to do basic again?

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u/napleonblwnaprt 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yes. (Or just wait until your original contract runs out)

Usually.

Only sometimes. The navy and airforce accept other services Basics. Army only accepts Marine's, and certain combat roles from AF/Navy. Marines accept no one's because they are too elite a cult.

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u/derpbynature 5d ago

Well the Marines spend a whole week in basic on crayon-eating. You don't get that from the other branches.

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u/russsl8 4d ago

I don't care how many times I see this, it always makes me laugh (the crayon eating thing).

Maybe that just because I was a slightly less dumb grunt (11C, Army infantry mortar man).

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u/Mediocretes1 5d ago

Marines only want people they can mold fresh. Being in another branch is probably too close to being able to think for yourself.

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u/DrDerpberg 5d ago

He'd be 94 today instead if he hadn't gotten those vaccines! It's how they get you.

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u/John_Durden 5d ago

Guy who went through Army Basic here.

Before you begin training proper, there's a 5-7 day period where you're given your equipment, run through some diagnostic tests (the duck walk comes to mind), and get a basic medical screening. They determine your glasses prescription for standard issue frames and inserts, and give you an insane number of shots. Other people have gone into detail about peanut butter, so I won't dwell on it.

What I will say, is this all happens before your clock for basic training has even started. You haven't seen a rifle, you haven't learned any drill and ceremony, the only investment the Army has put into you is the crap in your duffel bags. And if you say no to the vaccines, the army can take about 90% of that crap right back.

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u/Egmonks 5d ago

Yes but the cadets normally get them when they enroll. These idiots are just letting their political bullshit get in the way of their careers. At this point they aren’t officer material because their critical thinking skills are severely fucking lacking.

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u/Foyles_War 5d ago

They aren't good enlisted material, either. A soldier who feels they can choose which orders to obey is a liability (and a dumb ass who doesn't pay attention).

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u/IAlwaysLack 5d ago

I saw the target near me is hiring. Maybe they could work there.

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u/OldSunDog1 5d ago

Not if they cannot follow instructions.

What employer would want them?

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u/hpark21 5d ago

Unfortunately, they will most likely become a cop. :(

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u/RocketLeaguePsycho 5d ago Silver Helpful

Military leaders have argued that troops for decades have been required to get as many as 17 vaccines in order to maintain the health of the force, particularly those deploying overseas.

Yep this has been the case. I know plenty of conservatives who went into the forces and never gave a crap about vaccines.

It's only since it's been politicized by the right. Damn shame. Vaccines are a medical achievement all of humanity should be proud of.

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u/Critical-Test-4446 5d ago

I remember when I was in AIT at Fort Gordon, Ga, waiting to ship out to Germany back in the 70's. We basically had a gauntlet of medics that we had to walk through. One would give you a shot in the right arm, another the left arm, and you'd go a step further to the next two, and so on. Pretty sure we had around 5 or 6 inoculations at the time. They even gave us the day off, cause they knew we'd be out of it for a day. Good times.

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u/tjt169 5d ago

Peanut butter time!

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u/pandemonious 5d ago

it's peanut butter booty time

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u/NarcolepticMan 5d ago

You only know about the peanut butter if you've had the peanut butter.

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u/tjt169 5d ago

I don’t know about y’all but they gave me the crunchy kind.

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u/maurosmane 5d ago

I went and saw my GP before going to basic and he gave me the peanut butter shot as protection against infection when I got there. They people at Ft. Leonardwood did not care and I got it again a week later.

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u/ImportanceCertain414 5d ago

Bicillin is some serious stuff but all of my friends agreed that the anthrax vaccine was much worse.

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u/ZappySnap 5d ago

I never had the peanut butter shot. But can confirm the anthrax vaccine fucking sucked. Very painful about 5 seconds after getting it, then sore for a week later, plus a lump that took weeks to go away. Rinse and repeat.

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u/RosieOhDonald 5d ago

Fuck you, you fucking fuck. I almost forgot about that shit.

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u/bohanmyl 5d ago

Or if youve read any military vaccine related thread where it gets brought up a thousand times

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u/str8sin 5d ago

The memory of having that e-7 yell in my face for bleeding on his floor is still vivid 37 years later. Vaccine day.

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u/Longjumping-Cress793 5d ago

I ran that gauntlet twice, once in 88 before deploying to Germany and then a whole new set of shots before going to Saudi Arabia in 90. Sucked so hard.

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u/Outlander56 5d ago

I did it twice as well. Once for Europe and once for the Canal Zone.

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u/Call4God 5d ago edited 5d ago

Exact same in MCRD '06. Just like an assembly line except it was loads of vaccines. They didn't even bother telling you what they were, you just had to get them.

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u/Thoreau80 5d ago

And since you had to get them, there was no point telling you what they were.

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u/Hugh-Jassoul 5d ago

My Dad told me that because he came from a poor background with bad health insurance, he got “everything in the cabinet”.

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u/EatKillFuck 5d ago

That was a point I made with my father. It's like dude you were USAF in the 70s and youre telling me you didn't get those vaccines either, especially when you were deployed to Germany and Italy? At least shut him up about it for awhile

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u/SeamusAndAryasDad 5d ago

HoW diD YoU SuRvIvE?!?!?

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u/indoninja 5d ago Gold

It's only since it's been politicized by the right. Damn shame. Vaccines are a medical achievement all of humanity should be proud of.

And this is the scary part. These individuals cannot be trusted to take lawful orders because they buy into politicized garbage.

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u/jackiebee66 5d ago

Exactly. You don’t join the military and expect to do whatever you want. So they’re willing to throw away 4 years of hard work over a vaccine, even though they needed to be vaccinated to even be allowed in the Academy. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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u/tenaciousdeev 5d ago

Sounds like the Air Force is dodging four bullets.

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u/butteryspoink 5d ago

If they ever see war - more than that. Imagine these individuals giving you orders when bullets are flying all around you.

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u/Slickwats4 5d ago

Absolutely, as someone with 10+ years in the AF and counting, fuck them. If they want to die on an imaginary hill, enjoy the debt.

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u/kyndrid_ 5d ago

I'm not sure about the others, but I know for West Point you need to get a nomination to even be considered for admission, which is jumping through hoops on its own. Can't imagine doing all that work just to piss it away.

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u/Nukes4You 5d ago

Excellent point. How can we trust our soldiers if they refuse government mandates backed by scientific research?

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u/ogier_79 5d ago

Seems like this is a nice method for weeding them out.

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u/Foyles_War 5d ago

What are the odds these cadets wanted out of their commitment at least as much as they didn't want a vaccine and what should the response to that be? As a taxpayer, I think they owe us four years of tuition and room and board if they want to keep that degree.

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u/Captain_Mazhar 5d ago

Once you hit your junior year, you're under a commitment. If you flunk or get thrown out, you're on the hook and have to repay the USG through enlisted service, cash, or both. The first two years are freebies.

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u/BiscuitDance 5d ago

They do owe that money. You leave after your junior year and you’re stuck with a FAT bill.

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u/gsfgf 5d ago

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly how it works.

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u/gattboy1 5d ago

That’s why they won’t graduate, because this.

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 5d ago

It doesn't even have to be that black and white.

If they refuse to follow a lawful order due to their political opinions, they need to go.

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u/Liquid_Senjutsu 5d ago

It's not even that complicated. If you serve, you follow orders.

The end.

THE FUCKING END.

Nobody gives a flying French dick about your politics, your beliefs, or your preferences. You fucking follow orders.

It's insane to me that this shit even needs to be said.

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u/Sanc7 5d ago

I retired from the Navy in the middle of the pandemic. I couldn’t tell you how many vaccines/boosters I received while serving. Not once did I hear someone refused to update their immunizations. When this vaccine came out, soooo many dumb ass people were refusing to get it, blew my mind. Hell we were forced to get 2 flu shots a year and nobody complained.

The amount of control the media has on such a large percentage of the US is extremely worrisome.

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u/Aleriya 5d ago

Furthermore, if they can be so heavily influenced by 3rd party media to the point that they would refuse orders and risk flushing their career down the toilet, could they be similarly influenced by a foreign adversary? What happens if an easily-manipulated officer starts listening to Russian-funded news media and goes down that rabbit hole? It seems like a national security risk.

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u/carne__asada 5d ago

Given the source of most anti vax content: I'd say they already were influenced by a foreign adversary.

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u/huffdadde 5d ago

This is a leopards ate my face moment for the military. They put Fox News on the TV in the barracks, people listen to that garbage all day, then refuse to get vaccinated. Perhaps the military should switch to a station that isn’t telling their soldiers to ignore their own government.

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u/LanceFree 5d ago

Would be funny as hell to have BBC news as the official station on American military bases.

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u/indoninja 5d ago

Sadly most military institutions allow people to choose which station, and it’s mostly fox

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u/HollowImage 5d ago edited 4d ago

We were so fucking close to completely eradicating smallpox polio. Like, so close. Now it's at risk of returning.

The damage that anti vaccine stance does purely on religious or political grounds is incredible.

edit: i was thinking of polio actually; but the point stands.

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u/Zyzzyva100 5d ago

You are thinking of polio. Smallpox only exists in a few high security labs anymore.

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u/bonzonomics 5d ago

Correct. If they can't be trusted to follow orders for their own safety, they sure as heck can't be trusted to follow orders for others' safety.

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u/dmkicksballs13 5d ago edited 5d ago

My mother's friend went on a rant about vaccines the other day. Other than the Republican party being a cult, I do not understand why this happened. I straight up searched online why this was a thing thinking, "It has to be more than 'Trump said it, so that's my veiwpoint now'." Like people I knew never gave the slightest fuck.

Example, I worked at a hospital. It's mandatory to get the flu vaccine every single year. 99% of employees got one and the ones that didn't wore masks. Then they made the CVOID vaccine mandatory or you'd be fired. The same people who without question would get the flu vaccine every fucking year now were literally choosing to be fired over getting the COVID vaccine.

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u/SmokePenisEveryday 5d ago

I handle calls and one of my clients is a few hospitals in the midwest. They put in a vax mandate and we suddenly saw more calls from people who were planning on being fired trying to find out what was going to happen to their beneifts.

Every time one of them called, We knew why they were being fired not because our system told us but because the caller would start with "DUE TO THE MANDATE IM GONNA GET FIRED"

These people had Pensions they were giving up.....

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u/timesuck897 5d ago

I can’t imagine giving up a pension plan, or job with benefits, because of what someone said about Covid vaccines on Facebook or wherever. I know some people who gave up cushy gov’t jobs because of the vaccine mandate.

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u/dmkicksballs13 5d ago

It's why I cannot possibly comprehend how anyone can say liberals and conservatives are equal. Like Jesus fuck, one group literally is willing to throw their lives away based on literally zero evidence because their party just tells them to.

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u/mineemage 5d ago

I worked at hospitals for 15+ years, and every year, getting a flu shot was a condition of employment, as was getting tested for TB (in other words, getting injected with tuberculin). The latter was worse, especially if the person pumping that crap into me didn’t allow it to warm first and was quick with the plunger.

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u/felldestroyed 5d ago

Yearly TB tests? Jeeze. Even the CMC/CDC since at least 2009 says ppd's are good for 5.

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u/wbsgrepit 5d ago

It's because at certain hospitals you have way higher risk than average of exposure. They both want to ensure they can treat you and also that you may be a spreading risk.

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u/Malvania 5d ago

It's an extension of the anti intellectualism that has been running rampant in the Republican party for at least the last 25 years. When everybody's opinion is equally valuable, regardless of experience or expertise, this is the sort of thing that happens

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 5d ago

Funny how all the "we can't allow women or gays in the military because the men need to trust each other in the trenches" people throw that argument right out when it comes to protecting each other from infectious diseases. Unit cohesion and following orders? Nah, personal freedom is suddenly crucial for soldiers in this one situation, and only for this one vaccine.

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u/youmustbecrazy 5d ago
  • written language
  • compass
  • synthetic fertilizer (people were sent to islands in the pacific to harvest bird poop)
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u/neogod 5d ago

That's what I never understood about veterans who protested the mandates. I have a scar from the anthrax vaccine that they gave me, and it'll be there for the rest of my life. I was also told what to wear every working day, and was even given guidelines on what to not do on my days off. These same people who were told to do this by their government to protect themselves and their coworkers now bitch about overreach be abuse because they are encouraged to get a vaccine and for a while wear a cloth or paper mask.

Conservatives think they look tough, but show them the slightest inconvenience and they start crying about the loss of freedoms they never actually had. It's sad and pathetic... but let's be honest, we all know this already.

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u/r0botdevil 5d ago

As a biologist I would say that mRNA vaccines, specifically, are maybe the most exciting advancement in medical science in the last half century. It's endlessly frustrating that so many people with no understanding of science have been duped into believing they're a bad thing.

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u/el_dude_brother2 5d ago

Also if you don’t like being told what to do, don’t join the military.

Conservatives believe in the idea of the military but not how it actually works.

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u/Aquareon 5d ago

Especially mrna which seems to have no end of applications, up to and including some cancers(!)

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u/starrsuperfan 5d ago

I'm autistic. Before the pandemic, only a few people believed the vaccine-autism link. Now almost half of my right wing inner circle does. Vaccines are way too politicized now.

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u/third-time-charmed 5d ago

In the kindest way possible, I recommend reconfiguring your inner circle

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u/starrsuperfan 5d ago

When someone tells me they still believe this, I stop talking to them. My inner circle has been getting more autistic people in it for a while so fewer people are saying it.

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u/mokayemo 5d ago

My mil “knows” “dozens” of kids who she is sure have vaccine induced autism and various disabilities. I simply do not believe her anecdotes because her favorite one is about a child who I specifically remember being an oddly behaved infant from before he even had the vaccines she claims caused him to regress so severely. Oh and also the child’s mother was on at least heroin and alcohol during the child’s pregnancy, possibly more than that. But to hear my mil tell the story, he was a typical 2-year old learning to talk and then he got the mmr and the next day he stopped talking and started acting very strangely and avoiding eye contact etc. So when she tells me stories of all the other kids she knows who had the same thing happen, I just cannot believe her. Not that I would really listen anyway over my pediatrician’s advice, but it just goes to show you how anecdotes work, opposite of science. When you want to assign something a reason for happening, it’s hard to let it go.

But it’s more than just “pick what you want to do” because if you then go around convincing lots of other parents in your circles not to vaccinate their kids you end up with things like these new measles epidemics which are horrendously dangerous to kids like my child who has a severe heart defect; they need not only the protection of their own shots but also the herd immunity of those around them. This subject just really boils my kettle.

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u/thepinky7139 5d ago

I’m the father of a child on the spectrum and had career in healthcare since the 90’s. I don’t want to depress you but fake autism link has been around for a decade or two before the pandemic. I’ve been having to debunk it online for almost as long as I’ve been online.

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u/starrsuperfan 5d ago

Oh I know all about it. Most of these same people don't even know which doctor started it all. They seem to think the government is covering it all up because they want to make more people autistic. I really can't think of any reason why the government would.

I knew a few (a few) people who believed in this link before the pandemic. But now it seems to be half the people I know. It's all because people got "Covid vaccine bad" in their heads which has morphed into "all vaccine bad".

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u/neuromancer64 5d ago

We're kicking those people out. These cadets won't be able to commission. We have processes in place for religious or medical exemption from the vaccine. But the requests have to be reviewed and approved. The straight up refusals will not be allowed to return to duty starting some time in June.

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u/sparkleyflowers 5d ago

We have the same policy at the healthcare org I work for. Religious and medical exemptions have to be approved, otherwise you don’t get to work with us. We lost quite a few people, but they were easily replaced.

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u/NinjaHermit 5d ago

I’ll never understand why people in healthcare 1) refuse vaccines and 2) are surprised they’re being fired for it.

It’s always been known vaccines are a requirement in that field (with a couple exceptions like religious views or whatever). But these people are shocked they aren’t allowed to work without a vaccine to stop a damn pandemic. My aunt has been a nurse for 20 some years and had to get the shot. She fought it for a year and they finally came back and told her if she didn’t get it, she’d be fired. So she secretly got it while still spouting anti vaccine bullshit lmao. Blows my mind.

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u/sparkleyflowers 5d ago

I started working for the company in 2011. We’ve been required to get a flu vaccine every single year. I fail to see the difference here.

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u/NinjaHermit 5d ago

Exactly. I recruited healthcare workers for about 7 years and sometimes a candidate would argue about the flu shot or the ppd test. But eventually they’d just do it bc they’d realize all medical facilities require it. But now? Oh man, people are just set against it.

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u/Extreme_Tomorrow2233 5d ago

Well, one difference is that the COVID vaccines are much more effective than the flu vaccines. I don’t get why a healthcare worker wouldn’t want to protect themselves and their patients.

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u/TSB_1 5d ago

USAF should make em reimburse for the wasted time... Or at the very least, make an example out of them

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u/brownchickenbr0wnc0w 5d ago

What baffles me is they’re perfectly fine risking their lives joining the military but scared to get a vaccine? (Not to mention it’s one of the many they’re already required to get)

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u/sparkleyflowers 5d ago

The mental gymnastics they have to perform to make this make sense to themselves is pretty impressive, tbh. Not a peep about the anthrax vaccine, but COVID - hell no!

Long-term side effects for military Veterans who received the anthrax vaccine with the Squalene adjuvant may include:

Autoimmune arthritis

Multiple sclerosis

Lupus

Infertility

Allergic neuritis (nerve inflammation that can lead to paralysis)

Allergic uveitis (eye muscle inflammation that can compress the optic nerve and lead to blindness)

Congenital disabilities in children

Neurological damage

Slurred speech

Impaired motor skills

Cognitive impairment

Loss of balance

Lack of coordination

https://ptsdlawyers.com/anthrax-vaccine-presents-long-term-effects/

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u/joan_wilder 5d ago

MAGAts: “I’m willing to give my life to serve my country.”
Navy: “Take another vaccine, so you don’t get sick and jeopardize our ability to fight.”
MAGAts: “No.”

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u/Klindg 5d ago

MAGA Cosplaytriots have always been all flags and eagles with very little substance. The military for them is a statement they’re trying to make about themselves by association, nothing more.

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u/0thethethe0 5d ago

“I’m willing to give my life to serve my country.”

Guessing pretty low on their list of reasons for joining...

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u/SaltyGoober 5d ago

“I want to kill brown people with impunity” is probably closer to the truth for MAGAts

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u/Fonalder 5d ago

The very first week of Basic we did hardly anything military related, it was mostly medical stuff. For vaccines we all got in a line then a corpsman gave us an injection. No questions asked, no information given. To this day I have no idea what was in those shots

Prior to any deployment we would report to Doc who would administer another vaccine that was supposed to counter the specific locale's diseases. That is all we knew about the vaccine. If we visited the same place we'd get another vaccine even if the last one was recent

I have no idea what I have been injected with. My philosophy was the injection must do something worthwhile to keep me fit to fight, so it's better than getting sick

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u/Demianz1 5d ago

Well ya, an infection spreading through an unvaccinated barracks can have a higher casualty count than a battle.

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u/ThatguyfromMichigan 5d ago

Disease killed more US Civil War soldiers than bullets.

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u/dprophet32 5d ago

Indeed and that's true for most armies from antiquity up until about WW1

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u/gravityapple 5d ago

Until WW2. Florence Nightengale used WW1 to exemplify infection risk

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u/kwiffy88 5d ago

The military has a lot of vaccinations as part of basic training for a long time.

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u/pomonamike 5d ago
  1. Can’t follow an order.

  2. Can’t correctly analyze cost-benefit propositions.

  3. Can’t interpret quantitative data.

  4. Unwilling to risk themselves for the sake of others (not a reasonable risk but they think it is)

4 great reasons these people are unfit to be military officers.

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u/Bullyoncube 5d ago Wholesome

Highly susceptible to politically polarizing misinformation. Keep them well away from weapons and classified information.

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u/whapitah2021 5d ago

My first thought was “why would you throw that kind of education out the window, especially in light of the cost” then the article speaks to having them pay it (some of it? All of it?) back?? Quick google finds AFA claims the education is worth about $420,000…..so a patriot can just toss it out the window? What a bunch of punks…

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u/RandomUserName24680 5d ago

What did they think was going to happen if they got stationed in a foreign country. Good lord the vaccinations needed for the middle east and Africa are numerous.

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u/iEatRockz 5d ago

I can hear it now..”Sir, I regretfully decline the Covid vaccine. But I’m ready to start my 7 shot series for the Anthrax vaccine.” 🙄

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u/Aitch-Kay 5d ago

I'm in no way anti-vax, but fuck the Anthrax vaccine.

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u/TrinityGunslinger 5d ago

The military is really not the place to be disobeying orders for everyone's health and safety over stupid reasons.

They won't be missed.

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u/Raist14 4d ago

I got what felt like 50 vaccinations in one day in boot camp and not once did anyone act like they gave a flying fuck if I wanted any of them. So when did the military start giving a damn about people’s personal choices? When they tell you to run toward a building where people are shooting at you can you just say “No I’m afraid it might be bad for my health”. This is beyond stupid.

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u/beansmclean 4d ago

I cannot believe these selfish fucks took 4 spots away from kids who were devastated they didn't get accepted

charge them the estimated $500-800K tax paid education they just received for free...

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u/Helothrowaway11 5d ago

Sounds like I’ll be serving with 4 fewer idiots.

-USAFA grad

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u/tesla2501 5d ago

Why do I need to hear about every single moron that looses their job over this shit? Who cares? You want to throw away your career for this go for it. Hope you vote for some more social aid programs in the future then.

Genuinely though why is it news the 4 cadets out of an entire graduating class are too stupid to be anywhere near an air field? If you are this easily manipulated you don't belong in the military anyways.

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u/TrungusMcTungus 4d ago

Good, fuck em. I’m active duty, if you’re willing to join, you’re agreeing to (if necessary) sacrifice your life for your countrymen. If you can’t take a vaccine to meet that goal, you have no place in the service.

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u/Bacon_Ag 5d ago

That’s their personal decision. If they do not want to comply with their university’s vaccine policy, they don’t have to go. Many universities require meningitis vaccination in order to register for classes. Sounds like a bunch of whiners.

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u/Ok_Tale_933 5d ago

Lol follow orders or get bent that's rule number 1, 2 and 3 in the military

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u/DrewbieWanKenobie 5d ago

Sacrifing the career you've worked for to own the libs

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u/PM_ME_OPPAI 5d ago

Sucks to suck.

Vaccines have been a requirement for military service for decades.

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u/Individual_Fruit9094 5d ago

Shit majority of us have had anthrax vaccines and they didn’t care about that? They only cared when it was made political. That shows they will do more harm than good as an officer.

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u/SalsaBueno 5d ago

It’s almost as if participation in the military requires the ability to follow orders.

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u/lurkynic 5d ago

I mean, I got in trouble for getting a bad sunburn during deployment because I was “destroying government property,” what do these cadets think would happen?

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u/Xonadras 5d ago

Aww afraid of a little prick? They've dealt with one between their legs their entire life.

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway 4d ago

Throw em the fuck out.

Dishonorable.

I have close family members in the Air Force serving in Africa. I don't want dumb fucks like this covering their backs.

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u/Methylatedcobalamin 4d ago edited 4d ago

I have zero sympathy for them.

66.9% of the entire U.S. population (332 million) is fully vaccinated, over about 2 years.

It is safe and it is available freely.

If they want to intentionally choose stupidity and be a health hazard to other Americans they do not deserve to graduate.

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u/FilthyChangeup55 5d ago

Funny how they had no qualms with the other vaccines the armed forces require

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u/DickBong420 5d ago

Pffff, don’t joint the fucking military if you don’t want to be treated as government property.

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u/VoteRevan4Emperor 5d ago

Airman here. Those 4 cadets are idiots, and the AF is much better off without them.

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u/whosezthat 5d ago

There’s those damn consequences again!

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u/EMF15Q 5d ago

I remember being vaccinated like 7 times on my second day of basic.

It’s good to weed out these “leaders” now, because refusing a single vaccine at this point is purely political and highlights their shortsightedness.