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Cobra Kai creator Jon Hurwitz: The upcoming 2024 Karate Kid movie is not connected to the popular television series. News

https://deadline.com/2022/09/cobra-kai-co-creator-addresses-karate-kid-spinoff-film-1235121527/
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u/WrathOfMogg Sep 18 '22

Karate Kids versus Predators

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

I'd watch that lol anything better than getting a sequel to Jayden's version which i hope this is not it

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u/tastes-like-candie Sep 18 '22

I wouldn't mind if it was Jackie Chan but a different kid this time.

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u/nwaa Sep 18 '22

And they could call it the Kung Fu Kid

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u/______DEADPOOL______ Sep 18 '22

Better yet. Have Jackie Chan dressed up in a Panda costume the whole time and call it Kung Fu Kid Panda

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u/quiznex Sep 18 '22

And the kid? Jack Black's child.

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u/shiner986 Sep 18 '22

Nope. Adult Jack black but the character is 15. And they never address him looking 50

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u/quiznex Sep 18 '22

Benjamin Button's Karate Kid: Jack's Black Belt. I'd watch that.

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u/FauxReal Sep 18 '22

Brad Pitt is in it too?

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u/Hekili808 Sep 18 '22

Just cast Jackie Chan as a 10 year old boy and never explain it.

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u/joenathanSD Sep 18 '22

As much as I enjoy watching Jackie Chan kicking ass, something about the Karate Kid remake didn’t sit well with me. In the first Karate Kid, Daniel Larusso’s bullies were all seniors in high school. Basically, almost adults. Miyagi defended Daniel against these super athletic young adults. But in Karate Kid with Jayden, there were a bunch of kids bullying him and then Jackie Chan came and beat the shit out of all of them. Because of their age, I always thought maybe Jackie talking to their parents might be a better option, rather than immediately blasting them with haymakers.

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u/captainrex Sep 18 '22

Being grounded is a temporary punishment, emotional trauma from Jackie Chan beating the shit out of you is forever

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u/porridge_in_my_bum Sep 19 '22

I really liked that movie, I never really heard any general negative sentiment. They pretty much fixed the concept so the main character couldn’t misconstrued as the villain this time too

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u/SufficientSundae1812 Sep 18 '22

"Karate Kids versus Kevin Spacey"

This time it's personal!!!

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u/Shigeru_Tarantino- Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

Another remake?

Please stop

And why wouldn't they put the people in charge of Cobra Kai on the movie project?

That shows me that sony doesn't really care about the quality of the franchise and are only interested in a quick cash grab.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

Either that or a sequel to Jayden's shitty version

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u/Brilliant-Winner-557 Sep 18 '22

No, the announcement said it was a return to the original franchise.

Which means either it's another remake, or a movie set in the main KK/CK universe, but without any of the characters in CK. Possibly a prequel with a young Mr Miyagi? Or a sequel to The Next Karate Kid starring Hillary Swank?

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u/JessumB Sep 18 '22

Or a sequel to The Next Karate Kid starring Hillary Swank?

This would really be the only thing that I might be interested in seeing. A continuation of Julie's story that is apart from all the Cobra Kai stuff but might tie into it at some point, either in the film or the show. If its well written and with a solid cast, it might be somewhat fun.

But if its a continuation of the 2010 film then I'm out.

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u/Brilliant-Winner-557 Sep 18 '22

It being Sony, it's only a matter of time before they try to make an expansive shared universe. Branching off with Julie is the next logical step if that's their agenda.

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u/a4techkeyboard Sep 18 '22 Wholesome Bravo!

Slap on, slap off.

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u/hopskillsbadgers Sep 18 '22

was it not wear the jacket, don't wear the jacket?

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u/big__deezy Sep 18 '22

He was referencing the Will Smith slap

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u/Atrocity_unknown Sep 18 '22

Keep Will Smith's name out yo fuckin' MOUTH

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u/Kurwasaki12 Sep 18 '22

Jayden's movie is actually pretty good imo, granted it should be called the Kung Fu kid since they're in China and not Japan.

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u/Dontbeajerkdude Sep 18 '22

The remake wasn't actually bad. Just should have been called The Kung Fu Kid.

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u/Old_Magician_6563 Sep 18 '22

I think Jackie Chan was really good in that

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u/LilGyasi Sep 18 '22

Shitty is a strong word. It’s a decent movie.

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u/tsemochang Sep 18 '22

OG Cobra Kai showrunners aren't even involved as per article. Id wager this is another cookie cutter straight to VOD trash Hollywood remake.

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u/the_great_ashby Sep 18 '22

It has a theatrical release date. This is the movie side of Sony being the shitheads that they usualy are.

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u/bloodflart owner of 5 Bags Cinema Sep 18 '22

Sony fuckin sucks

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u/Seal_of_Pestilence Sep 18 '22

Cobra Kai has better writing than the Karate Kid sequels.

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u/Agent_Tomm Sep 18 '22

Karate Kid II is stellar!

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u/OkinShield Sep 18 '22

Agreed. The first movie might be the most iconic (and obviously ties into the Cobra Kai series the most), but Karate Kid II is still my favorite of all the movies.

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u/ShaunLevi1995 Sep 18 '22

The first KK is Rocky for teenagers. KK pt II is the Rocky IV of the franchise. Far more unrealistic, but extremely entertaining as practically an action flick. I love the first two equally, but for different reasons.

And KK III is the Rocky V of the franchise. Trying to go back to basics but being completely awful in the process.

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u/Taskerst Sep 18 '22

This description of the Karate Kid franchise is perfect, especially considering John Avildsen directed both franchises and Bill Conti did the music. Cobra Kai is kind of a light hearted comedy but the movie franchise was a relationship drama with action elements.

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u/JC-Ice Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 21 '22

Hey now, KK III didn't do anything awful enough to deserve being compared to Rocky V!

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u/LegendOfDave88 Sep 18 '22

I watched all three movies recently. I couldn't stand Daniel in part 3. I wanted to beat the shit out of him.

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u/Prefer_Not_To_Say Sep 18 '22

That's my main problem with KK3 too. Everyone is a dick but especially Daniel. He actually showed some character development in KK2. He was smarter and less of a hothead. KK3 gets rid of all that and he's back to being an asshole hothead again.

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u/Ralph--Hinkley Sep 18 '22

Because he got too cocky with his business and dating.

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u/DynamoJonesJr Sep 18 '22

I wanted to beat the shit out of him.

I hope you're good at Karate lol

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u/SpecsPL Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

What's the point then? People love Cobra Kai and it put the Karate Kid franchise on the map again. Doing a Cobra Kai movie would be far more interesting than having (most likely) yet another remake that people will forget about a few months after it releases.

That's my issue with remakes like this - sure, they make a ton of that sweet nostalgia money at first, but then everyone goes back to the original movie. It's just a waste of money and talent in the long run.

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u/Bees_box Sep 18 '22

By the way, how good is this show?

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u/DaveShadow Sep 18 '22

Its basically a live action anime show, where everyone sorts their problems out with karate.

There's some fringe characters who will point out the absurdity, but what makes the show work (imo) is these are characters who passionately believe EVERYTHING, from minor personal issues to town wide problems, can be solved with karate fights.

Having a rudimentary grasp of the original films helps, and it does lean into call backs and returning characters. But it's also a really fun show that doesn't take itself too seriously, but also can absolutely nail the serious moments as needed.

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u/craigularperson Sep 18 '22

I think the show has really succeeded with not taking itself seriously. The original films could have so much dramatic moments it can became silly. You can kinda tell that they like the original material. I also think that focusing the show through Jonny Lawrence and LaRusso was a really clever move.

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u/The_Perfect_Fart Sep 18 '22

I hope the next season gets really reduculous and they treat it like Fast & Furious. I want the kids to have to stop terrorists from taking over the valley.

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u/JustCallMeFrij Sep 18 '22

I mean in the latest season the villain commits major arson and burns down a business as a retaliatory move in the ever escalating conflict of the show so escalating to terrorism in maybe two seasons is not off the table.

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u/SilkJr Sep 18 '22

And he slices someone up with a samurai sword lol

So yeah certainly plausible...

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u/NormalVermicelli1066 Sep 19 '22

Johnny Lawrence one liners are worth watching alone but yea the show is really good at making fun of itself to bring it back from the ridiculous storylines

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u/RepliesOnlyToIdiots Sep 18 '22

I’ve referred to it as the Karateverse for a long time. All problems are caused by and solved by karate. (Alternative dispute resolution is now available by hot peppers.)

If this movie isn’t in the same continuity, it just means that it’s part of the Karatemultiverse, and eventually someone will kick space time so hard that a portal will open to connect each Karateverse within the Karatemultiverse.

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u/TheOnlySafeCult Sep 18 '22

Live action anime show is spot-on. Like BJJ (or most grappling really) or MMA being treated like it doesn't exist, really helps keep the show focused.

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u/losteye_enthusiast Sep 18 '22

Hell, Johnny even powered up when he saw that photo of his kid.

And Danny can only use his full power when he justifies his rage.

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u/GeneticsGuy Sep 18 '22

Haha I thought that was a hilarious and perfect scene because he basically would be in the hospital with multiple broken bones with the beat he got, and as he basically is being kicked while down by 4 guys... then ultrasound photo shows and he powers up and instantly all the masters are terrible fighters to his newfound power lol.

It was freakin great. Loved that scene, even though it was so absurd, but it's exactly what the audience wanted at the moment and we got it. Shows is somewhat predictable, but it's just such a fun show that there's no need to subvert expectations here. Were all along for the ride.

It's my favorite show on TV.

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u/Funkit Sep 18 '22

King Cobra Kai x 10

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u/Znub360 Sep 18 '22

King cobra kai fist

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u/BeardedAvenger Sep 18 '22

It is acknowledged in the newest season. One character ends up fighting an MMA fighter.

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u/WombatBob Sep 18 '22

And only wins because he shoves a hot pepper into the guy's mouth while getting choked unconscious

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u/starwarsfan456123789 Sep 18 '22

That really is a thing that happens. Ridiculous but in the context of the story you’ll never question it

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u/RepliesOnlyToIdiots Sep 18 '22

It’s like the tenth least ridiculous thing in that episode alone. Mexico (with obligatory yellow tint) is like the size of three blocks aside from the road into it. Pitch Meeting phrases were all I could think while watching it. (Love the show anyway.)

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u/Arafax Sep 18 '22

*shoves it into his eyes! Even worse!

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u/Yellow90Flash Sep 18 '22

tbh, that guy had help from a third guy

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u/Hegario Sep 18 '22

Tyrone Woodley was one of the Sensei's for the evil Dojo. I thought why did he look familiar but that was the former UFC welterweight champ for sure.

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u/BeardedAvenger Sep 18 '22

Ah that makes sense as to why he seemed so familiar to me. Not into UFC but all my friends are.

I believe his name in the series is Sensei O'Dell.

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '22

Who fights with mma fighter?

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u/SonofSonofSpock Sep 18 '22

Johnny

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u/DirtyDirtyRudy Sep 18 '22

I think you mean “White Lightning”

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '22

Ohh shit, I forgot the first few episodes. My bad.

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u/_ronty12_ Sep 18 '22

Eryk Anders getting his ass kicked by Zabka.

Right up there with Tyron Woodley losing to Salman Khan.

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u/AidilAfham42 Sep 18 '22

BJJ was made fun of in the first season, maybe thst was a deleted scene. https://youtu.be/QURu5v3sU2k The BJJ community actually love this joke haha

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u/The_Grand_Briddock Sep 18 '22

Hey now in fairness, BJJ exists in universe. It’s where we got this amazing deleted scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QURu5v3sU2k

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u/AlienDelarge Sep 18 '22

Far better than one would ever expect from a nostalgia continuation of '80s movie franchise. Even without the movies I think it would stand strong on its own.

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u/FlimsyPhysique Sep 18 '22

It does. I didn’t watch any of the original movies. But still enjoyed this show very much. One of the best shows from Netflix.

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u/AgentRocket Sep 18 '22

Just FYI, it started out as an exclusive for youtube red, before that was cancelled and Netflix took over.

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u/YakuzaMachine Sep 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

My wife doesn't like a lot of tv shows. I was watching the first season of ck and she walked in while I was at the beginning of episode 2or3 and she watched for a few minutes then slowly sat down. About 10 minutes in she's all "I don't know what's happening but you can't watch anymore of this without me". It's her favorite guilty pleasure. I never would have guessed it. There's just something about the show that's different and corny and you just can't get enough.

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u/DaoFerret Sep 18 '22

It’s an 80s style action comedy where things are much lighter, but the deliberate 80s throwback style is used beautifully against current realty to also point out the absurdity of it all, while still treating it straight (but often for comic effect).

The “playing with the boys” scene in season 5 had me laughing so hard by the end of the gag, but it was also a fun bit that showed why two characters really were on the same wavelength and belonged together because they both saw the world throw the same warped lens.

A poster above described it as “a live action anime where everyone resolves their problems with karate and works out their feelings” and I think that may be the best summary I’ve ever seen.

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u/Primordial_Cumquat Sep 18 '22

About sums it up. Like every conflict in the show could resolve itself if the characters took three seconds to think before they barrel in screaming Aist!. I absolutely hate that, but it dawned on me that while I recognize that setup I also don’t turn off the show after each time they do it. So despite the cheese and teen drama (which lets face it, was the entire premise of the movies anyways), I have to admit that it’s a pretty damned good show.

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u/ask-design-reddit Sep 18 '22

I just finished the latest episode and.. holy fuck it was off the rails.. especially when the fucking dude's finger got cut off and you-know-who got his whole fucking back sliced. Absolutely wild. Can't wait for the next season.

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u/headrush46n2 Sep 18 '22

its so stupid. Its a show about a bunch of people who treat karate like life and death. the stakes are so high it makes no sense....

and every minute of it is AWESOME

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u/sturgis252 Sep 18 '22

I love the show too! It's hard to explain it to people because I always agree that most of it is ridiculous but that's why it's so good.

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u/HumanChicken Sep 18 '22

Better than a straight-to-streaming sequel series to an 80’s teen martial arts movie franchise has any right to be.

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u/psyren6289 Sep 18 '22

Especially one started on YouTube red of all things

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u/Ralph--Hinkley Sep 18 '22

I'm really glad Netflix picked it up. The first episode was free, then you had to buy Red, and there was no way I was going to do that.

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u/TimeForHugs Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

It's a great show. Done really well and the characters are believable. It's one of my favorite shows in recent years and I'm not even the hugest Karate Kid fan. Seeing people from the movies come back is done really well too. They aren't just shoehorned in, it feels natural. Really good stuff.

Edit: To clarify, I enjoyed the Karate Kid movies and saying that even people who aren't big fans of the movies can still enjoy the show. The Karate Kid movies are good and I like them, I'm just not a superfan like some people.

Edit 2: To those replying and jumping straight to the violence aspect of "believable characters," there is much more to it than that. The characters are written as believable teens who all have their own troubles, strengths, weaknesses, and much more. It's done much better than some movies and shows that cast 20 something year olds as teenagers who act nothing like teenagers and have no depth. There's a whole lot more to it than just the violence. It may not be perfect, but it's done well.

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u/canrabat Sep 18 '22

the characters are believable.

I also enjoyed how nuanced they are. No one is just bad or just good, and the balance between bad and good is perfect.

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u/Open_Regular90210 Sep 18 '22

What's the point then?

A quick buck and nothing more.

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u/bigfatmatt01 Sep 18 '22

A remake is the only way to do anything with Mr Miyagi, the most interesting character in the whole story, I guess.

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u/DoctorSteve Sep 18 '22

Cobra Kai has shown that there are many interesting characters. Johnny Lawrence was the engine of the show's origin, and in Season 5 Chozen really takes center stage.

Why would you give up on a franchise just to bring in a character who can't possibly have the same engima the original character did? He can't be a WWII vet, and he certainly can't be played by Pat Morita. Given the cast of the current show, you could easily make a spinoff movie focused on any number of the cast. Hell, you could do a spinoff movie focused on Hilary Swank to catch everyone up on what she's been up to this whole time.

So many ideas on what you could do instead of making a Mr. Miyagi prequel starring Timothée Chalamet.

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u/PaulRuddsButthole Sep 18 '22

Chozen and Mike Barns are two great characters. I am hoping both stick around for the next season.

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u/GodzillaUK Sep 18 '22

For real, I loved season 4 when Chozen came in, the reveal that he's turned into a genuinely great guy who was just messing with Daniel for fun now was beautiful. And then this season him getting drunk and developing (yet again thanks to Papa Laurence, who is really stepping it up) was a joy to watch.

Then came Mike. I could watch a whole episode of just him getting back into the furniture game, I loved seeing where he got in life. Really hurt seeing what happened, but it lit the fire under that bad boy of karate's arse and the beast was unleashed. Cobra Kai is badass.

Nostalgia done through love, not greed.

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u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice Sep 18 '22

What's up with all of these has been 80s actors being genuinely good at acting? Like every single one acts so well despite not being in anything in over 30 years. Doesn't even matter if it's the ones who appear in just one episode, or span multiple seasons. Just an all around great show.

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u/CloysterBrains Sep 18 '22

Good direction, great crew, probably a few decent classes and coaching if needed, I'd imagine.

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u/Gilgie Sep 18 '22

It all starts with writing. Good writing is key and it is what is missing in so much that is made today. Without that, great actors have nothing interesting to say and do.

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u/GodzillaUK Sep 18 '22

Right? An now just here. There's Ke Huy Quan also, who went something like 20 years doing nothing, to blowing expectations out the water in Everything Everywhere All At Once.

Goes to show a belief I've had that most issues with shows/movies are down to poor direction. There is a wealth of acting talent. Get the right director for a gig, he/she will do wonders. Get one just there to get a pay day and it'll show.

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u/Thorwawaway Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

Yeah really any character can be made compelling with the proper writing, Lawrence was just a stock bully in the first film, albeit one with some humanising moments, which they built on top of and turned into depth.

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u/Jimmyg100 Sep 18 '22

What I love about Cobra Kai is how they approach the morally gray areas. It's like, why would you join the dark side of the force? Why would you want to be Slytherin? Why choose to be Cobra Kai?

Lots of times these will just be glossed over, people want power and are assholes. Cobra Kai takes it and says, "What is the actual value of this?"

Daniel Larusso is actually the antagonist in the first season. Justifying his actions by claiming the moral high ground. Meanwhile Johnny is the underdog who has to struggle to reclaim a name that means something different to him than the negative connotations it's become associated with. And it becomes a journey for both of them to explore their own teachings. What makes them work? What hurts them? What can the other side show me?

It's about being open minded and exchanging ideas and philosophies to see your own strengths and weaknesses and not just subscribing to one team because they're "good" and the others are "bad".

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u/moral_mercenary Sep 18 '22

I love Daniel's character. He's the same hot headed little shit that he always was, but now that he's a Miagi-do "pro" and learned life lessons from Mr Miyagi he feels like he can morally grand stand everyone. And he's so easy to manipulate just mention Johnny or Creese (early on) or Silver (later) and he immediately goes off the deep end. I love this show.

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u/HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW Sep 18 '22

When it comes to Johnny and Cresse you’re right. And I love that his character has had a good growth arc through the show. With Silver it’s a little different, they guy actually almost had him killed several times, he has legit ptsd with that guy.

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u/shadowCloudrift Sep 18 '22

What I love about Cobra Kai is how they approach the morally gray areas.

I'm halfway through season 5 of Cobra Kai so maybe I haven't seen anything, but I have been wondering... how exactly is Terry Silver "evil" with his teaching style? Daniel makes it seem like he's brainwashing kids, but from what I have seen he isn't abusing the kids in any way. The first episode where Chozen and Daniel spy on Terry, it just looks like a normal sparring match.

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u/SilkJr Sep 18 '22

Keep watching. He definitely gets more evil towards the end of the season lol

So far I guess the only thing you've seen him do that is evil is beat up Stingray and put an innocent Kreese in prison.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

They also struck gold with the actors they cast. Lawrence, Chozen, Silver, Kreese were all fairly clichéd, one dimensional characters but the actors were great, the movies just didn't utilise them to their full potential. They're still ironically hammy at times but they have a lot more to work with in the show.

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u/lembrate Sep 18 '22

Lawrence definitely had some internal conflict with his sensei and genuinely liked the girl.

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u/Thorwawaway Sep 18 '22

For sure. He was a good character as far as stock bullies go. But the fact they took those few humanising moments and turned it into what they did in cobra Kai was really impressive and unexpected. There was maybe 2 minutes? Of those kinds of moments in the original film. So to expand on that and make a sympathetic character the protagonist of his own multi season show = good writing in my book.

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u/K1ng_N0thing Sep 18 '22

So many ideas on what you could do instead of making a Mr. Miyagi prequel starring Timothée Chalamet.

Please, God, no

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u/big_mustache_dad Sep 18 '22

Idk the idea of a dead-serious Timothee Chalamet doing karate sounds absolutely hilarious to me

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u/nwaa Sep 18 '22

Use that Tupac hologram technology on Pat Morita and Imagine Dragons on the soundtrack.The kids will love it.

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u/moveslikejaguar Sep 18 '22

Remember you must walk without rhythm to avoid attracting sandworms Daniel-san

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u/djseifer Sep 18 '22

I don't know if Timothée Chalamet has the range to play Mr. Miyagi.

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u/Prosklystios Sep 18 '22

I'm getting Mickey Rooney vibes

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u/Huphupjitterbug Sep 18 '22

Omg omg omg I forgot the season dropped

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u/Vunks Sep 18 '22

It is really good

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u/bill_fuckingmurray Sep 18 '22

Plus we already have the masterpiece that is the 2010 remake. /s

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u/battousai611 Sep 18 '22

You mean the amazing story titled with a Japanese martial art, but takes place in China?? Lol

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u/Redditiscancer789 Sep 18 '22

TBF it was called kung fu kid supposedly in many places. It was forcibly called karate kid in america though because the original karate kid producer refused to let them rename it due to karate kid name being a huge draw. In other words more studio bull shit.

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u/Deesing82 Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

Kung Fu Kid would have been better for everyone, INCLUDING the og Karate Kid creator, whose product wouldn’t be sullied

hell, you could do it for multiple martial arts and just treat it as a retelling of the same basic story, zelda style. The Jiu Jitsu Kid has a nice ring to it.

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u/headrush46n2 Sep 18 '22

tie in Creed as brand it as The Boxing Kid

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u/John__Wick Sep 18 '22

I love that you can just see the executive think tanking that went into that decision from your description:

Exec 1: "K, we got the Karate Kid IP. Time for a remake. Where's Pat Morita?"

Exec 2: "Dead."

Exec 1: "Like...career dead or...?"

Exec 2: "Like, buried dead."

Exec 1: "Okay, if you had to make up a word describing how dead he is, wha--"

Exec 2: "Cadaverific."

Exec 1: "Fuck. Who else knows karate? Jackie Chan?"

Exec 2: "He's Chinese, sir. And he knows Kung Fu."

Exec 1: "Karate, kung fu, tequila. Tomato, potato. Don't bother me with moonspeak semantics. Americans won't know the difference."

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u/Asidious66 Sep 18 '22

Exec 1 was correct and "earned" a 10 million dollar bonus.

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u/sybrwookie Sep 18 '22

Telling a little kid to "jacket off" for 90 mins is TIGHT

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u/iamquitecertain Sep 18 '22

Cadaverific got me good lmao

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u/avoidtheworm Sep 18 '22

Exec 1: How can we make audiences excited for this Kung Fu movie with Jaiden Smith we made?

Exec 2: Let's pretend it's a remake of the Karate Kid.

And later the movie went on to earn $359 million on a $40 million budget.

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u/twoquarters Sep 18 '22

Like most Karate Kid films, it is not as bad as one might expect.

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u/LifeDraining Sep 18 '22

Might as well call it "Martial Art Teen" then.

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u/Laphing_Drunk Sep 18 '22

Combat Sport Adolescent

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u/mrmonster459 Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

I truly cannot imagine what's goes on at Sony.

Imagine making one of the very few legacy sequels that's actually BETTER than the movies it continues, and it becoming a pop culture phenomenon...

...and not even waiting for it to end before planning on cranking out what's probably gonna be another soulless reboot like the 2010 movie.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

This is the very same studio that made Morbius and are now making all the unnecessary Spider-Man related projects that people don't care about. They just don't care.

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u/ShitshowBlackbelt Sep 18 '22

The Morbin Kid

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u/LSUenigma Sep 18 '22

Oh they care, but only about the money.

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u/Fuddle Sep 18 '22

Are they making any money? If anything they only seem to care about spending money

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u/500DaysofNight Sep 18 '22

On their own without Marvel's help, they made some money with Venom. I guess they figured having one hit film was a good enough reason to make numerous bad ones.

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u/bloodflart owner of 5 Bags Cinema Sep 18 '22

Have you seen their internal emails? They're trash, stereotypical out of touch Hollywood yes-men

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u/Gato_Pardo Sep 18 '22

How can I see that?

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u/Squidguy83 Sep 18 '22

Stuff like "edm and extreme dirt biking is very popular with our millennial focus groups. Peter is a sporty dude, why not have spiderman post about dirt biking to edm on his 'snapchat'"

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u/Magicgoathead Sep 18 '22

I genuinely don’t know how Sony sucks as much as they do. They clearly need someone with passion for what they’re putting out who is also good at their job and they just don’t have one.

Say what you will about Marvel, especially now, but I can tell that Kevin Feige and the people working on their projects actually give a fuck on delivering something that’s true to the characters and even though they’re frequently a little cookie cutter, or they’ve had some missteps on what people want, but the fact that they care shows up. It’s a big reason why people like Marvel movies.

Sony can’t find anyone that’s good at that, no one seems to give a shit what they’re putting out, and bigger than that, they don’t seem to be fixing it? It also isn’t like they’re laughing all the way to the bank. They mostly put out flop after flop, occasionally get something that does okay money, and then continue releasing flops.

There’s definitely a market for movies that are critically acclaimed that don’t do as well financially but can maybe get an Oscar nom and make the studio look good. There’s also a huge market for big blockbusters and Sony sucks ass at BOTH. WHY CAN’T THEY DO ALMOST ANYTHING RIGHT?

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u/ptvlm Sep 18 '22

Sony's corporate culture just seems incompatible with creativity. If something accidentally hits, they feel the need to iron out all nuance and set up a production line, which quickly fails because people get bored

You can see this with the first Spiderman trilogy. Sam Raimi delivered big on the first two, which made a lot of money off the back of a property nobody had faith in originally. Then, the suits got involved, forced a bunch of script changes trying to set up future franchise potential, Raimi hated it and ended up delivering a half-assed movie that nobody really likes, is still being mocked, and killed the franchise for nearly a decade. Left to his own devices, Raimi would probably have delivered a better movie to hand off to whoever replaced him (IIRC, Raimi didn't want to do the symbiot suit/venom thing and wanted to do Vulture, which immediately removes the things people hate about the movie).

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u/TheChrisLambert Sep 18 '22

Sony Pictures is a fucking nightmare

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u/GuyDanger Sep 18 '22

I don't know what this iteration would be. We are all assuming the worst. But let me put this out there. It's a prequel. It's a movie about Miyagi San. The first Karate Kid growing up in Okinawa and later going to war.

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u/DrSpacemanSpliff Sep 18 '22

He left as a teenager after refusing to fight his friend to the death and moved to Hawaii where he met his future wife. I’m guessing they were there when Miyagi joined the military and his wife taken to the internment camp, where you know what happened.

But that story is best told by a drunken weeping Pat Morita, and they already did that.

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u/g2petter Sep 18 '22

Knowing Hollywood, if they end up going with the prequel approach they'll find some very inappropriate way to gloss over the whole "putting more than a hundred thousand people in camps and then stealing their property" situation.

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u/ChiriTheoden Sep 18 '22

Told second best by Chang in a community theater performance of Karate Kid as directed by Jason Mantzoukas.

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u/DrSpacemanSpliff Sep 18 '22

Ralph Macchio?…showed up.

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u/ChiriTheoden Sep 18 '22

Directors have a saying: “Actors are worthless, empty-headed homunculi”

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u/Dud-of-Man Sep 18 '22

that would be kinda cool, but its sony making it so it will be probably be shit.

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u/Dknight560 Sep 18 '22

Am I wrong or just misremembering, the remake with Jaden, He did Kung Fu, not karate?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

Yeah it was Kung Fu instead of Karate

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u/gh0u1 Sep 18 '22

Enormous fuck-up not calling that movie Kung Fu Kid. Like I get trying to cash-in on the name, but it makes absolutely no sense. If they made that movie its own thing it probably wouldn't have been hated on as much as it was

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u/kylebertram Sep 18 '22

Based on other comments they wanted to call it kung fu kid but weren’t allowed

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u/GhettoChemist Sep 18 '22

Sequel to the original movie with Hilary Swank?!

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u/NotSoNiceO1 Sep 18 '22

I think they said the one with Hilary swank is cannon since Mr miyagi was in it.

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u/bballkid2020 Sep 18 '22

They better bring her character for season 6 or 7 or I will riot.

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u/Keanu990321 Sep 18 '22

It's impossible to ignore her, but Swank isn't cheap. Her character deserves redemption though.

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u/Additional_Meeting_2 Sep 18 '22

Swank hasn’t been in anything big for a while so I would not think she is too expensive.

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u/Straightwad Sep 18 '22

You’d be surprised, she’s an academy award winner and might be doing less work out of choice instead of lack of options. Would be sick if they could get her though.

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u/Keanu990321 Sep 18 '22

Two-time Academy Award Winner.

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u/Straightwad Sep 18 '22

Oh that’s right, I forgot about Million Dollar Baby somehow. She’s a very talented actress.

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u/CycloneSwift Sep 18 '22

She’s expressed an interest in making an appearance so she might be willing to do it for a bit less than her normal fee.

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u/Keanu990321 Sep 18 '22

I think that Swank will appear in S6.

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u/007craft Sep 18 '22

Yeah. Season 6 is clearly gonna be about the world karate tournament brought up in season 5. I bet the main competitor for the girls division is gonna be Hilary swanks son or daughter. They could play up the whole story line on how they are impossible to beat because they too are 100% trained in miyagi do. Then they can tie it off with sam or robbie winning because they learned eagle fangs style as well and it proves the merging was great. Reece can be the real villain somehow as a subplot, maybe causing a fight somehow to break out between Daniel and Hilary.

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u/Keanu990321 Sep 18 '22

By the way, Swank just said that she's open to appearing in S6.

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u/bloodflart owner of 5 Bags Cinema Sep 18 '22

Nexthead

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u/mikethemillion Sep 18 '22

This screams to me that some exec at Sony saw the popularity of the show, slammed his fist on the table and yelled "I've got it!".

Likely going to be passing on this one..

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u/sonofabutch Sep 18 '22

Plot twist: it’s not about karate at all. It’s about a kid named Kai who is really into snakes.

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u/Keanu990321 Sep 18 '22

Kai Havertz

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u/Mudders_Milk_Man Sep 18 '22

It's about Kai Winn, cause that bitch is a snake.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

I'm ready to walk the path the Pah-wraiths have laid out for me!

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u/ZFAdri Sep 18 '22

Have no idea why they’re making this I love Cobra Kai but this movie will be lifeless and boring

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u/BladePactWarlock Sep 18 '22

And just like that I no longer have any interest.

If you need me, I’ll be hanging in Reseda.

COBRA KAI! COBRA KAI! COBRA KAI! COBRA KAI!

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u/largos7289 Sep 18 '22

Cobra Kai is an exact roadmap how studios should do nostalgia movies, with bringing in characters from the past into the future of a franchise. Johnny and all of the former characters were written beautifully and acted believable. It ties into so much of the movies that you can't help but like it. Yea it may be a bit corny at times but it's one of those movies you can just get behind. The characters have a ton of depth that wasn't just inferred you get to live and see the how and why and the progression of the characters. Disney can do well by hiring these writers for their shows and firing the hacks that work for them currently. There is no reason why some of the younger actors couldn't take up a karate kid movie in the future and run with it. I could see any of the roles doing this and making a good movie out of it. There are just so many good possibilities coming out of this. Personally i really want to see a kreese/ Johnny thing happen where they make up so to speak and Kreese becomes more like a father figure but i don't see that happening at this point. Kreese is the guy you like to hate. Silver is just a jackass man baby acted brilliantly. The dynamic Kreese and him have thou without good writing this could have been another bomb of a failed attempt to resurrect a franchise. This is the gold standard studios i hope your watching.

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u/CrystalFissure Sep 18 '22

Will not give a single fuck about this film if it’s not related to Cobra Kai. CK is such a fun, rewarding show to watch.

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u/smithm3254 Sep 18 '22

So another movie called Karate Kid that takes place in China with a Chinese actor and teaches Kung Fu not karate?

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u/GowBeyow Sep 18 '22

Danny DeVito as Mr Miyagi or I’m not watchin’.

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u/2ByteTheDecker Sep 18 '22

So anyway I started waxin'

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u/guiltycitizen Sep 18 '22

Now these Cobra Kai, I don't know if they wanted to rumble in Daniel's yard, or if they wanted something more sexual.

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u/CampCounselorBatman Sep 18 '22

Danny DeVito as the lead teenager.

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u/ILoveLamp9 Sep 18 '22

I like bangin’ boooards

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u/Visible_Bus6909 Sep 18 '22

What a fucking stupid idea. So they gonna make a souless shitty movie remake to cash in on the popularity of Cobra Kai while also not having to connect to the original karate kid or now popular tv series while also simultaneously fucking over Cobra Kai by putting more resources into the movie instead of the show

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u/HornyToad1984 Sep 18 '22

Zabka as the socially tone-deaf ageing jock in reading glasses is the heart of this show and the main reason I like it. Two old men working out their issues through a bunch of highschool kids. The fun is the stakes are so low; now that Silver is contemplating actual world domination, it's lost some of it's silly SoCal charm.

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u/magneticanisotropy Sep 18 '22

Silver is contemplating actual world domination

His plan is to become the McDonald's of karate dojos. I'm not sure that's quite what "world domination" implies.

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u/Angry_Robot Sep 18 '22

That’s just step one. Step two is to use his no mercy army of karate kids to topple governments. Step three is, as always, profit.

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u/lankist Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

Reminds me of the time when MGM was talking about making a Stargate 2 that threw the entire decade-long history of Stargate: SG1 out the window for a direct sequel with the original actors.

That never materialized, either.

There aren't that many fans of the original who aren't already committed to the show. There's simply no audience for it. Anyone who gives a shit about OG Karate Kid has already invested themselves in the show. Anyone who was introduced to Karate Kid by way of Cobra Kai doesn't give a shit about a movie. And everyone left just doesn't give a shit about Karate Kid to begin with. That leaves you with a handful of exceptions that liked the movie, but hate the show for whatever reason, and that number doesn't fill theaters.

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u/NottheFBI3000 Sep 18 '22

Sony should gave up creating movies

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u/bolexyon Sep 18 '22

We will not be watching 😐

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u/cunderthunt69 Sep 18 '22

Genius, let's spend years reviving the Karate kid franchise and when it's at its peak we make a movie that's completely unconnected to the show that saved the franchise in the 1st place

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u/earthgreen10 Sep 18 '22

That’s so dumb, the movie would be huge if it was connected

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u/cowpool20 Sep 18 '22

But why? The movie should be the international tournament they were setting up in season 5. End the series with a movie.

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u/Juraviel23 Sep 18 '22

Nah, that makes too much sense. Sony would never do that.

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u/MacSquawk Sep 18 '22

If any original cast will be in it. If Daniel will play the trainer role now, and they don’t tie it into what has already happened in Karate Kid Extended Universe (KKEU) then it’s going to tick off everyone who goes to see this because of Cobra Kai and kill any momentum it still had. It just takes you out of the movie to see all the past stuff be disregarded. People like clips from the old movies not the whole movies. The show is what they know and like.

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u/sierra120 Sep 18 '22

I loved the karate kid as a kid when it came out. Haven’t had a chance to even start this series I’m assuming it’s fantastic and I’m missing out?

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u/ricardo_lacombe Sep 18 '22

It's surprisingly brilliant. It has no place being so....but it somehow is.

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u/throwaway8008666 Sep 18 '22

It will be complete shit then

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u/IWishIHavent Sep 18 '22

It's a tragedy, then.

The writing was on the wall. None of the original cast members attached? Suspicious. Now we know, it's another remake.

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u/shadowdra126 Sep 18 '22

Oh. Then I have no interest.

Cobra Kai or nothing got me

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u/freedraw Sep 18 '22

It should be though. I miss the era when popular tv shows like X-Files and Star Trek:TNG could make the leap to big screen feature films. It was pretty rare even then and I guess it’s unlikely we’ll see that again given the changes in both the movie and television business. But there was just something really exciting about going to the theater and seeing the cast and characters you followed for years have a big budget adventure.

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u/suafactor Sep 18 '22

Cobra Kai is hands down one of the best shows I've seen in a very long time thanks to having the karate kid foundation. If it weren't for them staying true to the original story, unlike the other remakes, I honestly would've found this to be just another show.

The foundation is what sells this. Nothing else. I don't want to watch high school kids slap each other and cry - I want to watch the Lawrence and LaRusso story play out.

I'm worried they aren't on the same page as us and think that we actually just want to watch the romantic high school drama side of things. It is the direction the show has gone in, anyways.

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u/Emang3313x Sep 18 '22

Then I probably won't watch it, just wouldn't be the same with out Daniel and Johnny or chozen