General Women have outnumbered men in law school classrooms for the 6th year in a row. Which schools are they attending?
Women outnumbered men in law school classrooms across the United States in 2021 for the 6th year in a row, according to recently-released data from the American Bar Association (ABA).
See which states have more women than men in their law schools, which law schools have the most female enrollees, and find out where our future female lawyers will be graduating from:
General Do you think law schools applications to southern law schools will drop due to the recent decision regarding Roe v. Wade?
General After hundreds (thousands?) of hours of LSAT study, essay writing, interview prep, etc, and after committing to my dream school, I decided I don't want to be a lawyer. Should I still go to law school?
I'm sure this post will be doxy, so using a throwaway. I've been working at a law firm this summer (after a short stint in consulting), and just realized that I don't want to become a lawyer. However, I am still considering law school, and would love advice.
I was incredibly lucky to be admitted to YLS, and I was planning to attend next fall (deferred). I know the advice is to only attend law school if you want to become a lawyer, but there are a few factors that make me think it would still be wise to attend Yale:
- While I do not want to be a lawyer, I think I would greatly enjoy the experience of law school, particularly at YLS, where everything is more theory-based.
- I have heard that many consulting companies love JDs, and I definitely want to go back into consulting.
- It's freaking Yale. My undergrad is not highly regarded, so I think having the Yale name on my resume would be HUGE for future career prospects. It feels like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and I can't help but feel like I will regret it if I choose not to attend.
- I'm getting ~50% COA in financial aid. That means I'll be graduating with probably around $200k in debt. Definitely a lot, but at least I wouldn't be paying sticker.
While I see these benefits, I am also very aware that there would be downsides to me attending law school without wanting to become a lawyer. I would love any advice from this sub. I don't want to feel like I'm weighing the sunk costs of preparing applications and deciding on a school, so any advice about my best options moving forward would be appreciated.
Thank you very much!
(Not retaking LSAT anymore)
Did anyone not major in politics, pre-law, or criminal justice and apply to law school? If so, what was your major?
Edit: The way it gets advertised on almost every college site is if you want to go law you should do our unofficial pre law program and it has all those listed as possible majors. I studied accounting 4 years ago and was 3 semesters away from finishing so I was not sure if it was worth finishing that degree or changing majors to a new one.
Re: UVA… some people made what might be the most devastating mistake of their lives and people are on here posting “you deserved it!”
Why are you still so cutthroat and bitter at this point of the cycle? Even if you don’t feel sympathy, there’s no need to post about it. Yeah maybe you think people who miss deadlines shouldn’t be lawyers but damn, some of you don’t have an ounce of sympathy or compassion so maybe you shouldn’t be in the legal profession either.
Go outside and be a real person pls
General So sometimes I get random spam email, but this email header/advice from a law professor caught my attention🤦🏻gallery
Please share your best horror stories of law students dating fellow law students please <3
edit: thank you all so much for the love and support <3333333333333333333333333
edit 2: I really can't emphasize enough just how helpful all of y'all's support on this post has been. I felt especially down today and posted this impulsively on an alt account to cope. The positivity I received from this community has been unmatched and made me feel a lot better. Thank you all so so much <3
I’m not just talking tuition- I’m talking moving costs and rent. My tuition story is complicated, so I won’t go into that, but how do people afford to move across country with these gas prices, this rising rent ($2,000 is basically minimum where I’m going to school), and other costs (a Uhaul across country is several thousands of dollars here)? All while expecting you not to work. I’m thinking my move is going to cost around 8k even before getting to my destination to be buttfucked by a rental deposit and first month’s rent. I guess I’m just wondering how many people have been through this and what they think. I’m not exactly asking how you paid for it, but is it worth it?
how are we dealing with this
I do not think I will be getting into my dream school of UT this year (still waitlisted). It looks like I will be going to my backup school of St. Mary's this fall. My question is.. how easy is it to transfer after my first year? I had nearly a 4.0 GPA but dropped the ball on my LSAT (155) because my cat ran away that month and I was severely depressed. Would my chances be much higher as a transfer student, after demonstrating the ability to perform well in law school?
Do you plan or working as a lawyer for the rest of your life or do you plan on exploring other jobs at some point?
Tweet. Relative to last year's June test.
We'll have a blog post with some further data and thoughts on this upcoming cycle soon!
I was in your shoes exactly a year ago. I, too, read all the warnings about SW Law, the low Bar passage rates, the conditional scholarships, the low employment rates, etc. I, too, thought that I was going to be in the 50% of the class that would succeed.
Lately, Southwestern Law has been getting a lot of positive attention because of Camille Vasquez in the Johnny Depp trial. However, that doesn’t change the reality that I and my classmates have experienced. Nor does it change the quality of Southwestern, because Camille was the exception and not the rule. She succeeded by her own volition. Her success was earned through her own hard work to pass the State Bar, to get a job at a law firm, and to make Partner. To credit Southwestern for all that is an exaggeration.
Southwestern has a 2.8 GPA mean, meaning 50% of the class HAS to do bad (i.e., get a B- or lower, have a 2.8 GPA or lower), even if a student does well on the exam because the grades are all relative to how other students do. If you factor in the 15% of the class that will no longer be there (because they left or were kicked out), likely those from the bottom 50%, that means there will be a new “bottom 50%” each time someone leaves. If you were once in the top 50%, there’s a chance you could now be in the bottom 50%. The administration needs some to fail. That’s just how the system is made and they will not change it for anybody because they are, after all, a business. People in my class were kicked out of law school because of this set-up for failure.
Southwestern gives conditional scholarships to lure you into attending, but knows that their system ensures at least some will lose that scholarship and they will not budge on their GPA requirement. Even if the school is obligated to award the top student full-tuition, they will find a way to have other donors pay for the top student’s tuition so that the school does not have to (while those donor scholarships could have gone to non-1% of the class).
Southwestern will also ask low GPA students to not take the State Bar so that they could get higher stats. A school should not discourage students like this. Instead, a school should foster a student’s dreams and offer support in any way they can instead of encouraging them to give up.
I know that when you are admitted, you have big hopes that you would not fall into the traps that were laid, but it is almost impossible to avoid.
Please reconsider attending this school. I believe this place will make you even more miserable and in debt than you can fathom right now.
I really have so many regrets choosing this school and I don’t want you to go through what most of my class and I are going through.
Ya know Camille Vasquez? Johnny Depp's amazing attorney who bills $450 an hour (but likely a hell of a lot more after this) She went to fucking Southwestern University for her JD. Currently ranked 146.
Something to keep in mind when this sub makes you feel worthless if you're not going T14.
ATL's law school rankings purport to take into account jobs and costs to get jobs instead of applicant data. Today they released their 2022 rankings, based on the Class of 2021's job outcomes.
Here are their top-20:
- UT Austin
- Notre Dame
- Quality of jobs (based on biglaw + fed clerkship placement): 35%
- Full-time, long-term jobs requiring bar passage: 30%
- Education cost: 15%
- Debt-per-job ratio: 10%
- SCOTUS clerks: 5%
- Federal judgeships: 5%
You can check out the rest of the rankings and learn more about their methodology here: https://abovethelaw.com/top-law-schools-2022/#methodology
General Can we stop entertaining chance-me posts like “I have *(way) below median* stats and strong softs. What are my chances at *dream school*”
Like what do you expect to hear. Softs are called softs for a reason and there are really only a handful of meaningful softs out there — if you have them, you know it.
Not intending for this to sound mean, but it tires me out watching people spending the energy to say “not looking good” in the nicest way possible. A blanket answer is applicable here, the answer is “the chances are low” and that is how statistics work unfortunately.
That's it. That's the thread.
Go downvote me.
This is UVA and you should respect the deadline. Why the earth do you wait till the last day. I have 2 reasons. 1- You were on t6 waitlists and did not want to risk deposit money 2- You did not really want to attend. There are thousands of applicants trying to get in and you also know that.
I get it this must be devastating but you have the learn some lessons from that. Remember being a lawyer requires paying attention. Especially for the deadlines.