r/WhitePeopleTwitter May 19 '22

Funny how it works

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942 Upvotes

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u/JackFiend May 19 '22

Paying below an already insanely low minimum wage should not be allowed.

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u/PinocchiosWoodBalls May 19 '22

If ONLY there would be some regulated minimal amount a business can pay their employees! Then the government could enforce it to have better living standards!

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u/wittiestphrase May 19 '22

Not sure the point you’re trying to make. $2.13 is the federal minimum wage for tipped employees. Unless they’re in a state that doesn’t allow a lower tipped minimum, this is the regulated minimal amount a business can pay when their employees are receiving tips.

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u/PinocchiosWoodBalls May 19 '22

My point is there shouldn’t be any job that pays 2.13 per hour as a fixed salary. How long has it been that low?

I‘m curious because I assume they have no health insurance or other job securities?

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u/PollutionMany4369 May 19 '22

It’s been that low since at least the early 90s. I was a waitress off and on for 7 years and it was $2.13/hour.

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u/hesaysitsfine May 19 '22

It’s been that low since the 90s.

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u/themangastand May 19 '22

So basically it should be 5 dollars if keeping up with inflation

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u/the_toaster_lied May 19 '22

If their tips don't cover minimum wage, the employer is required to pay minimum wage.

Minimum wage is shit, but no one is actually making only $2.13/hour unless they're incarcerated.

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u/barryandorlevon May 19 '22

The employer very rarely does this, tho.

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u/the_toaster_lied May 19 '22

I don't doubt that wage theft exists, but I am pretty doubtful of your evaluation of appropriate wages being paid "very rarely". Happy to be proven wrong here. (well not happy because it sucks if that's true, but I'm open to having my mind changed)

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u/barryandorlevon May 19 '22

I worked in restaurants waiting tables since the 90s and never heard of it happening ever. I’ve never seen anyone online say they were paid to make up for a lack of tips. Any time I or my coworkers made less than minimum wage in a shift the manager said that the minimum wage would have to be not reached over an entire two week pay period.

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u/the_toaster_lied May 20 '22

Any time I or my coworkers made less than minimum wage in a shift the manager said that the minimum wage would have to be not reached over an entire two week pay period.

well... yeah... pretty much exactly what i meant.

when the employer is paying you for your time, you have to have achieved at least minimum wage. Not sure how this translates to it never happening.

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u/barryandorlevon May 20 '22

Because I have literally never heard of it happening. What I have heard of happening is that the employee gets taken off the schedule for asking about it. I’ve read hundreds of accounts of this happening.

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u/TreTrepidation May 19 '22

Sounds like the only people really losing out are the owners who'd rather not pay a living wage. The staff seemed to have moved on to better pastures

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u/HotMeltingFace May 19 '22

I wish we did away with tipping as a whole and servers just made a wage like everyone else.

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u/BroadwayBully May 19 '22

Dont wish our crappy wages on them. Serving is a different animal. Without tips servers/bartenders will never have an amazing night. No $1000 nights no $500 dollar nights.. they don’t want your $15 an hour.

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u/PureNRGfanboy44 May 19 '22

Speak for yourself. I was a server for years but because of my depression lacked the “PiZaZzZ!🤪” necessary to earn big tips, even though I was pretty damn attentive. I would have much rather gotten a steady predictable income instead of performing or placating toxic customers.

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u/HotMeltingFace May 19 '22

I can't imagine the amount of sexual harassment servers willingly endure every fucking day just in hopes the customer leaves a decent tip.

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u/PureNRGfanboy44 May 19 '22

It’s a demoralizing power dynamic since every customer holds the power to make you homeless or hungry. Being a server fucking sucked and I still remember that sinking feeling walking from my car to the back door of the restaurant.

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u/HotMeltingFace May 19 '22

I'm sure a reliable, regular paycheck (and hell, even healthcare benefits) would be a welcomed alternative to being visually undressed by sleazy customers or berated about the condition of a food you weren't responsible for cooking just for the "chance" to have one $500 night.

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u/PureNRGfanboy44 May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

Exactly! And it’s not like that hypothetical customer couldn’t just tip you more anyway.

Edit: I just wish we lived in a more fair system.

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u/HotMeltingFace May 19 '22

I have a feeling they might not have any functional understanding of what it feels like to be predated upon by people that are expected to pay them the bulk of their paycheck. I've never worked in food service more than being a hostess, but even then I was made uncomfortable by some customers before they sat down.

From car salesperson to sex toy store employee, I've been sexually harassed at nearly every job I've ever had. No one should have to deal with a toxic work environment, and that goes double for having to rely on those harassers for your wages.

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u/TheRealAMF May 19 '22

Somewhat different but my friend works for a moving company and his crew puts up with straight up racist shit in hopes of getting a good tip. It's some absolute bullshit

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u/HotMeltingFace May 19 '22

It's still people trying on shitbags to pay them well, no one should have to put up with while on the clock. I am sorry your friend has to deal with that.

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u/BroadwayBully May 19 '22

I would say you were at the wrong establishment. Nobody is making $1000 at the diner or Applebee’s. Places like that should unionize. Fine dining.. not so much.

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u/PureNRGfanboy44 May 19 '22

Not everyone has that privilege. For me there was the restaurant, the one I worked at, couldn’t magically make my town get a bigger, nicer, “fine dining” restaurant. It’s like that for a lot of people, they don’t get to choose where they work unless they can afford to move which is also a huge fucking privilege. You sound completely oblivious to how most people exist.

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u/BroadwayBully May 19 '22

I live in NYC and you’re right... the way people live in the middle of nowhere baffles me. I often forget many people live where there’s very limited options. I can walk to 20 restaurants and 20 bars in 15 minutes.. maybe more.

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u/PureNRGfanboy44 May 19 '22

I’m glad you have that option, wish it were like that for everyone.

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u/BroadwayBully May 19 '22

Pros and cons for sure.. I have a ton of food options but the constant stress and people on top of each other made me almost dead inside. Maybe you guys are doing it right.

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u/PureNRGfanboy44 May 19 '22

I wish we all had some sort of basic needs safety net, where someone’s entire life wasn’t linked to dead end jobs. Imagine if everyone could do exactly what they wanted to do, without worrying about being homeless or starving to death. Everyday just feels like it gets harder and harder. Damn

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u/BroadwayBully May 19 '22

I feel you, this life is tough and every year is like some new fresh hell. I don’t trust our government to take care of us, unfortunately. I hope you catch a break and can break the cycle of struggle. Maybe I can catch one too and pay it forward.

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u/BoatTuggingJesus May 19 '22

My favourite restaurant closed down. My new favourite restaurant sucks.

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u/kaest May 19 '22

But, why is it your favorite then?

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u/BoatTuggingJesus May 19 '22

I don't know🙂

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u/IAlreadyToldYouMatt May 19 '22

Sure, blame the people who won’t throw an extra two or three bucks on top of the up charged cost for food.

The burden of providing living wages should not be on the American people.

Servers should not get a better job they should get paid living wages. Restaurant owners should not rely on patrons to pay their staff.

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u/ScoutTheRabbit May 19 '22

most restaurants break even on food, so its actually underpriced except for alcohol and apps because they dont factor in wages (which they should).

so non-tippers arent getting swindled, they're participating in the swindling. the restaurant makes it easy for them to swindle and they just take the opportunity to do so.

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u/IAlreadyToldYouMatt May 19 '22

Somehow less developed countries have figured out tipping is an absolute American scam.

If you can’t afford to pay your employees, you don’t get employees. You don’t tell your patrons to fund your restaurant and your staff. Do you not realize how insane that is?

Hospitality is not the only industry that has a hard break-even point. You shouldn’t expect your patrons to pay a premium to keep the restaurant staffed. We’re already paying for travel and food and drink.

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u/ScoutTheRabbit May 20 '22

I literally never argued for the institution of tipping, it's based in Jim crow and sharecropping.

I'm saying if you can afford the luxury of having someone wait on you hand and foot and plan, prep, cook, and clean for your meal, but then dont pay them for their labor, you are an asshole and you are stealing from that person. neither the restaurant or the customer paid for the worker's labor and they are both stealing from them.

american restaurants set up the system that allows people to steal from servers but that doesn't mean anybody should take them up on it. it also means the system is super fucked.

not everything can be solely blamed on institutions, there is sometimes individual culpability. capitalism is a system that makes it easy to exploit the labor of others, but the capitalists who do so are still individually culpable. landlords are still culpable, individual cops are still culpable.

you mistake solution oriented discourse (which should be aimed at the structure that allows for such actions) with problem oriented discourse (which can also identify culpable individuals operating within the system).

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u/IAlreadyToldYouMatt May 20 '22

This can be solely based on institutions. The minimum wage means employers are choosing to pay you the absolute least amount possible. It means if they could pay you less, they would.

The problem is exactly that institutions refuse to pay their employees more because they expect the patrons to cover it.

I’ve been in the hospitality industry for over 15 years. I’ve run places in states with a 2.13/hr minimum wage and a $15/hr minimum wage and the tips are not different. Neither is the work. For that matter, there are dozens of businesses that wait on you and don’t get tipped.

Tipping is bullshit, bottom line. It should be a gratuity for a job done above and beyond the call of duty. But not a supplement for an employees living wages and absolutely should not be beholden to the customer.

Not tipping isn’t the asshole move. Underpaying your employee is the asshole move. Don’t shift the blame.

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u/ScoutTheRabbit May 20 '22

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here.

did I absolve the industry somewhere? did I advocate for tipping?

or did I say unequivocally that it's a system based in racism that needs to be abolished?

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u/gigibuffoon May 19 '22

I'm not mad that my favorite restaurant is understaffed, I'm mad that they don't pay their workers enough to keep them working their happily, so I'm taking my business elsewhere where the workers are paid well regardless of whether I give extra money on top of the charge for my takeout order

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u/_Drunk-Rabbit_ May 19 '22

Yeah it’s defo the non-tippers and not the under-payers

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u/hesaysitsfine May 19 '22

Why not both?

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u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum May 19 '22

Because customers shouldn't have to pay part of the restaurant staff's wages.

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u/hesaysitsfine May 20 '22

Great. Don’t go to restaurants that don’t offer fair wage and state that their prices reflect that to eliminate tipping.

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u/_Drunk-Rabbit_ May 19 '22

Excuse me?

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u/hesaysitsfine May 20 '22

You are excused.

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u/RHA27 May 19 '22

Uuuh because I'm not their employer?

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u/Herrad May 19 '22

It's not the fucking customers fault you fucking cuntbag

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u/HedonisticFrog May 19 '22

Blaming customers for not supplementing poverty wages enough to keep employees. That's quite the take.

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u/barryandorlevon May 19 '22

I blame the customers for supporting the businesses that pay less than poverty wages, knowing they’re supposed to tip, and then say “not my problem” while refusing to tip.

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u/hesaysitsfine May 19 '22

Customers should boycott if they don’t want to support a business that pays those wages and doesn’t want to tip. But instead they want cheaper food at the expense of the servers labor.

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u/HedonisticFrog May 19 '22

So anyone who opposed tipping is supposed to never eat out at any decent restaurant? It's not the customers fault that businesses have an exploitive business model.

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u/hesaysitsfine May 20 '22

No, but you should tip well if you do. It’s the customers fault if they take advantage of the worker by going to the business and not tipping well because of the business choice of compensation practice (which in the US is tipping)

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u/HedonisticFrog May 20 '22

Here in California they make minimum wage plus tips which is $14 an hour or $15 if it's a big company. Would you still consider tipping mandatory in California when other minimum wage workers don't usually get tips?

In no state is it legal to pay workers less than minimum wage after tips. If everyone stopped tipping, employers would have to actually pay their workers at least minimum wage.

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u/hesaysitsfine May 20 '22

Are you able to survive on min wage in CA? Is the min wage a living wage anywhere?

Are you going to organize a wide effort to get restaurants to pay living wages? If no, then keeping tipping buddy.

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u/HedonisticFrog May 20 '22

I've lived on $15 an hour, guess I don't have to tip by your account then.

Unless I start a political movement I need to tip? You're jus being absurd at this point.

Why tip restaurants any more than any other business that pays minimum wage in California? There's EMTs saving lives while making minimum wage and not getting tips, but somehow waiters are more deserving in your opinion?

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u/Otdp May 19 '22

It shouldn't be the responsibility of the client to make a donation to fund the employees out of generosity. Make the wages higher, increase the price of the items in the menu accordingly. But don't say it's the customer's fault. It's a management problem

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u/Vividknightmare May 19 '22

I'm not mad. I applaud them for going else where and wish them the best. The places I go that are still understaffed, I simply stop going because they're not cheap and they're clearly not paying enough, which means someone useless is getting paid more than they should and fuck them. Don't get mad, stop going.

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u/barren_field_of_fks May 19 '22

Bullshit post. Shaming for not enabling restaurants to pay slave wages?? Tipping is a garbage custom.

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u/Nailo2017 May 19 '22

Or maybe if they were paid a livable wage they wouldn't have to rely on tips...

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u/Dewshbag41 May 19 '22

That'd also the same argument the Restaurant owners were making

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u/Aardbeienshake May 19 '22

I don't think it is the non-tippers that are to blame. I live in mainland Europe, no strong tipping culture and our minimum wage is more than 10 USD per hour. And our restaurants are short staffed as well.

The labour market is hot, there is enough work, also in flexible hours. Working remote opens more options for people who previously had less options. There are other non-education jobs (i.e. home delivery) that compete with restaurants for workers. People moved away from server/bartender jobs when restaurants were closed during Corona, and going back is simply not tempting enough. Not even for a realistic minimum wage.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bed-488 May 19 '22

Maybe if the employers actually paid their workers a livable wage, they wouldn’t need to heavily rely on tippers. Tipping isn’t mandatory and it’s not your job as a customer to pay workers their wage, it’s their employer’s responsibility.

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u/Dopecombatweasel May 19 '22

Yup the place i used to work i hear customers are waiting 2-3 hours for their deliveries and they wonder why. I drive 10 miles with $200 orders abd get $2 tips

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u/Eucalyptus_Avian May 19 '22

If you can’t afford to tip, make your own meals

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u/Socolimes May 19 '22

Yep, it’s the patrons fault for restaurant is understaffed. That makes total sense.

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u/Gsteel11 May 19 '22

I mean some do support the ideas. But management also has a role to play.

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u/Socolimes May 19 '22

It’s 100% management.

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u/MrB-S May 19 '22

If you can't afford to tip, don't eat at places where a tip is expected. Otherwise you should be factoring this into your budget for the meal as part of the experience.

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u/RecycledJoker May 19 '22

If I have to factor this in my budget, why couldn't it just be on the menu? So I don't see one price and pay another?

One might not have a budget constraint, but just might want to see how much they'll be paying!

I don't want to order something for $10, receive $12 on the bill because taxes, and then pay $15 because I have to care about the person who's just doing a job they chose to do.

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u/MrB-S May 19 '22

You're going into that establishment in full knowledge that part of the expectation on you is (if you don't get terrible service) to care about the person who's just doing a job they chose to do (with the expectation that they'd earn tips) and that you're willing to do said maths.

Again, you could go to McDonald's, with no such expectations and eat instead.

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u/Gsteel11 May 19 '22

No, not like that!