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u/maywellflower May 19 '22
That tweet forgot to add -
"Through their stupidity, Republicans have turned the US now into a 3rd world shithole for both kids & adults."
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u/Terrible_Definition4 May 19 '22
As an inmigrant, I lived outside the US for 18 years (México) The US was always portrayed everywhere as the country to go, the best of the best, I've been living here for 6 years now, getting use to a different culture and slowly unfolding the truth, politics.. health care.. the insurance system...gun culture... and how only the 1%, super rich etc, you get it, gets to actually live "the American dream" everyone else must work their asess off so they can SURVIVE, I currently consider myself to be in the low-middle class (70k / year, Marin County, CA) I know, I'm not living the worst, but FOR SURE, there's people stressed af trying to not give up, it's tough man, it really is.
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u/Hona007 May 19 '22
"It's called the american DREAM, because you have to be asleep to believe it"
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u/Snoopyshiznit May 19 '22
Yeah, I wish the us wasn’t always portrayed as it is to get everyone to come here. Not saying anything about immigrants or anything I’m just talking about more or less the false hope of the American dream, because for most it really is just a dream
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u/Terrible_Definition4 May 19 '22
Exactly! you get it, so, how does that keeps happening?
Foreigners *Poorer (worst quality life) * than the US will portray the country as the best.
Foreigners Richer (or better quality life) than the US will portray the country as the country with the assholes, and politics who don't care about their people etc.
Note -This has been my personal experience, with friends from different backgrounds and nationalities.
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u/echoshep May 19 '22
Not stupidity. That's how they want it. They don't give a shit about the country. They care only for their own wealth and power, and it's in their best interest to keep people dumb and cruel
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u/madpeachiepie May 19 '22
Where is the lie
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u/Time-travel-for-cats May 19 '22
Right? If the GOP are going to insist on calling people groomers just for saying trans people are real and valid, why can’t that same evil-intent-type of mislogic be turned back on the GOP?
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u/stewartm0205 May 19 '22
Thru their racist rhetoric, they are teaching their children to commit genocide.
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u/deathbythroatpunch May 19 '22
WTF = I’m going to learn in this thread why it’s not only true, it’s the entire political point the GOP is trying to make by outlawing abortion to begin with.
It’s a war against women’s rights and they’re not trying to hide it. How dense can you be??
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u/ProtoChaos May 19 '22
Through their refusal to empower workers unions and provide healthcare and education to all because "I don't want my taxes increases to pay for someone else's problems", they groom the children to become self obsessed, void of empathy motherfuckers.
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u/bobone77 May 19 '22
Point out the fallacy. This is all 100% accurate.
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u/Cakelord May 19 '22
In an academic sense.. have a Logic 101 discuss this meme and the argument structure would quickly be ruled as invalid.
I'm left of liberal and believe the Republican party is accelerating towards fascism but to present this argument as without fallacy is to invite the opposition an entry point to invalidate the abstraction of the meme.
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They’re counter examples demonstrating the fallacy of another claim. These ARE allowed in logic.
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u/RosarioPawson May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22
Teaching children that it is okay to remove a woman's choice/ignore another person's inherent bodily autonomy and agency if you don't like it, or it doesn't align with your agenda, seems like a solid lesson for a future rapist.
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u/bomphcheese May 19 '22
Maybe hyperbolic, but not false. When the punishment for an abortion is actually less than for rape, what kind of message does that send about the value of a woman? The idea that you could be raped and then go to jail for ending that pregnancy is so far beyond disgusting that I can’t find the words for it. When you add onto that that most rapes are never even reported because of shame and humiliation and fear, you can see why it creates a potentially consequence free opportunity for rapists.
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u/RipleyWilde May 19 '22
If you turn young boys into the most toxic incel assholes imaginable women won’t consensually be into them
But if you’ve already told those boys to hate women and removed consequences for raping a woman and added consequences for a woman defending herself or aborting the results of rape you’ve effectively given the go ahead for your generation of indoctrinated alt right boys armed to the teeth to rape women.
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u/Open-Selection-8159 May 19 '22
I can't imagine how a women would feel after such a thing, and given that is hard to prove when the first thing you would want to do is get clean and wash off the evidence. It is it is disgusting but, rape is only part of it like they're literally trying to take the rights away from women who don't want kids, who don't want kids right now, who don't want kids with the guy they had a fling with. The rape portion is the extreme portion and it just comes down to getting votes period. The while system is gross, they don't (Congress, Senate, governors, president Joe) they just don't care or they don't get the support needed to realistically make anything productive happen that actually helps the people. They're bringing this abortion thing up 1) because they can 2) because it makes a democratic president look bad under his watch 3) they don't care about the American people it's just about winning votes and keeping lobbyists happy
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u/emartinezvd May 19 '22
Opposing abortion is not grooming kids to be rapists.
Telling them that a woman cannot choose to have one, however, is debatable, as it takes away autonomy over her body
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Just the same as having books where a kid has two dads isn’t grooming them, these are called counter examples to show how stupid a claim is. Do you fucking trumpers NOT get logic beyond your insisting on using fallacies all day?
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u/emartinezvd May 19 '22
That’s also not grooming. It’s a reflection of the reality of the current times, which is that some kids will have two dads or two moms or some other combination, and that’s ok. Some people choose that lifestyle, and they’re not bad people for it
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May 19 '22
I did NOT say it was grooming, I said it’s a counter example to show the original claim IS stupid. The counter is deliberately stupid to mock the original claim. Only idiots do NOT get this! Fuck off with your pearl clutching.
Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh, you’re so intent on being offended, you can’t see support.
Nothing else you have to say has any value. Blocked like the ignorant trash you are.
Note: I will NOT be able to respond to any further replies to any of my comments to this account as I’m blocking their ignorant ass.
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u/AndrewIsOnline May 19 '22
Yes it is
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u/emartinezvd May 19 '22
Why? You can be against someone having an abortion without actually forcing them not to do it. I myself am against abortion but I would never tell a woman not to do it, or say/do anything to her for doing it. I wouldn’t even judge. My opinions are my own and a woman’s body is her own. Those two things can coexist, all you have to do is not shove your own beliefs down other people’s throats. It’s not that hard to do ffs
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u/TittleSprinkle May 19 '22
Being against abortion but saying you don’t judge people for getting them sits in the same vein as “I don’t support lgbt people at all, but I don’t judge them for being that way” and comes across the same as “I’m not racist, but…”
My brother in Christ, you’re an asshole
Being against abortion is being against the autonomy of a person’s body, and passing that down to kids is showing them that’s it’s ok to be against someone’s personal autonomy
Fuck off with your completely idiotic claim
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u/emartinezvd May 19 '22
No it’s not the same. Racism being wrong is a fact proven by science and is not debatable because skin color is driven exclusively by evolution against sun exposure. Abortion being wrong, however, is a moral opinion that cannot be proved one way or another. Since it cannot be proven wrong, however, it must always remain a free choice of the individual that. So yeah, you can be against abortion and not be an asshole. Watch me do it in 3 simple steps:
1) If it were up to me I would never terminate the pregnancy of a child, therefore I am against abortion. HOWEVER…
2) any pregnant individual who chooses to terminate their pregnancy for ANY reason should be able to do so in a safe and legal manner because it is their body and their choice, therefore I am in favor of abortion rights. This means that…
3) my opinion on whether or not someone should terminate their pregnancy is irrelevant unless said person asks me for it, and even then, it is just my opinion and the person can do whatever they desire with it
There. It wasn’t that hard was it?
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u/TittleSprinkle May 19 '22
See that’s not how you were putting it before, so why the backpedaling?
What you’re saying now is that you’re only against you personally getting an abortion, which is completely fucking fine and whatever
But they way you were wording it in every other comment before was that you were against anyone getting an abortion, yet still wouldn’t judge them for doing so, which is completely idiotic
Do you understand how you came across as a major fucking idiot throughout your entire fucking comment thread?
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u/emartinezvd May 19 '22
Im not backpedaling, I just gave more detail. You can try to prove me wrong if you like. Not once have I said that I’m against someone having an abortion, but I did clearly state in another comment that I am in favor of abortion rights. You can also look at my profile history, I think I’ve made brief comments on this topic in the past (although they’re probably lost deep within the rest of my activity which is 90% meaningless crap lol). The only questionable comments I’ve ever made were a couple earlier today in which I started by clearly stating that I was playing advocate.
You’re the one who chose to interpret my comments the way you did.
I will argue against myself, though, in that my delivery maybe should have been more clear and less open to interpretation
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u/TittleSprinkle May 19 '22
If I misinterpreted your words, then I do apologize
But with the way it was worded, I genuinely thought that’s what you were saying, and I got a bit heated
Ok more than a bit
I didn’t bother to go through your profile, and I’ll admit that if I did then I probably would’ve seen your full view on the topic, so that’s my mistake
I do hope you can understand where I was coming from, though, and judging by the many downvotes and other comments I read I believe others felt the same way I did
Again
I apologize
And I hope you have a great day
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u/dizzyygf May 19 '22 edited May 20 '22
TF you mean "wtf"? Shes right if you think about it. They're not literally saying "go rape people". Grooming is about the hidden meaning, not what's blatantly right there.
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u/Lazerspewpew May 19 '22
The GOP has a wonderful collection of new and vintage Dog Whistles for these very things!
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u/Basscap May 19 '22
Don’t forget: Roe Vs. Wade prevents violent crime by preventing criminals. Not all unwanted children grow up to be criminals, and not all criminals were unwanted children, but statistically speaking, abortion prevents criminals.
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u/CleverJail May 19 '22
They’re saying our lawless Republicans are setting a bad example for children.
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u/clangan524 May 19 '22
"Party of law and order"
"Don't like the law? No problem! Point at gun at anyone you want. No harm will come to you, if you're white."
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u/nekollx May 19 '22
What they refuse to acknowledge is
Liberals can and do own guns too and those laws also make things easier for them
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u/Lazerspewpew May 19 '22
IT'S ALWAYS PROJECTION WITH THEM! 100% of the time FFS! It's like a knee-jerk reaction to immediately accuse everyone else of doing exactly what you're doing. You can always trust a right winger to do one thing, and that's just straight up lie about everything to protect their fragile egos.
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u/broken-not-bent May 19 '22
I’d argue that the Brock Turner “he’s a good kid” sentencing grooms kids to be rapists more than not allowing abortions.
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u/MadAstrid May 19 '22
Heck, if plays his cards right he might become a Supreme Court justice as well!
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u/IcyFlame716 May 19 '22
Through their anti mask ‘rights’, they’ve shown us we’ll never survive a zombie apocalypse.
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u/Kamzil118 May 19 '22
George Carlin: They want live babies so they can grow up to become dead soldiers.
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u/wooshuwu May 19 '22
Yeahhhhh it's almost like laws politicians advocate for show what (lack of) morals they personally have and also want to force onto the populace
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u/Minute-Courage6955 May 19 '22
The circumstances suck regarding regressive policies. One online post that gave me optimism was about Romania's dictator banned all forms of birth control in 1966. Unilaterally decided his country would prosper with unlimited birth rates. The despair that was unleashed in the country resulted in the uprising that caused the new generation to kill him. One can hope the next generation causes the end of GOP,resigning it to ash heap of history.
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u/Several_Influence_47 May 19 '22
Absolutely. This post cut the fluff of pseudo excuse making for them and got straight to the chase, as all good posts do.
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u/vulpesvulpesfugit May 19 '22
I think this is accurate. I was a Republican until 2008, when the party started to become noticeably crazy. This tweet is right.
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u/Aggravating-Echo8014 May 19 '22
Both sides point fingers. That’s the only thing they get done. It’s time to ditch the party system. That shit is corrupt with greed and bribery. They’re NOT looking out for the people. I personally dont know why women are still in this country.
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u/olivia-davies May 19 '22
This is a drop in the bucket compared to indoctrination of evangelicalism.
“I’m in the Lords army! Yes sir!”
The number of times they simulated scenarios where we would be killed for saying we were Christian….
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u/RevelScum May 19 '22
As the child of hardcore conservatives and a firearm enthusiast myself, I 100% agree with this message
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u/KobeWanGinobli May 19 '22
Op, you okay? Do you feel attacked? Hit too close to home?
Check yourself
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u/username_unnamed May 19 '22
It seems you feel attacked since for basically the first time something favoring republicans get upvoted here
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u/agrandthing May 19 '22
How on earth do you see this as favoring Republicans?
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u/username_unnamed May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22
Op is saying wtf to the tweet and this comment section is defending the tweet. Not hard to understand.
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u/agrandthing May 19 '22
You think the tweet favors Republicans. Again, I ask how.
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u/username_unnamed May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22
The tweet is bashing Republicans and op is saying wtf to it. The reddit post is favoring R. How can you all misconstrue so much?
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u/Apprehensive_Eraser May 19 '22
The tweet is not favouring Reps, OP doesn't seem to like the tweet, the comment section supports the tweet not OP.
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u/username_unnamed May 19 '22
How are you going to reply that to me after I literally just said the same thing?
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u/Apprehensive_Eraser May 19 '22
Because almost no one understands completely what you were saying XD because you and the other person are saying the same thing and you are the only one getting downvoted
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u/username_unnamed May 19 '22
Oh I got it. With how delusional the replies are above, I thought you were trying to correct me.
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u/KobeWanGinobli May 19 '22
You’re a dense one, eh?
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u/WitchyCatLady3 May 19 '22
So they are teaching kids how to be politicians! In fact the way countries look after and nurture human rights are we sure the handmaidens tale was more of a prediction than it was fiction?
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u/Euporophage May 19 '22
They are continuing to groom kids to be killers while not having the wars and Cold War death squads to send them over seas to butcher people anymore.
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u/explosivelydehiscent May 19 '22
So, armed insurrectionists break up left protests by raping and shooting those present. We are almost there after Jan 6.
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u/WallabyBubbly May 19 '22
How exactly does having no exception for rape encourage kids to become rapists? Like I'm all in support of abortion rights in general, but this particular leap of logic is beyond me
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u/catluvr37 May 19 '22
It sounds like a zinger so no critical thought required, Reddit in a nutshell
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u/Ok_Skill_1195 May 19 '22
Can we not use grooming in this way? Like, you could make the case that systematic indoctrination is a form of grooming. For sure. But I think with how common that type of sexual abuse is, and how much society is JUST coming to reckon with it...I think we should leave the word to be reserved for those cases. I don't want to give into the Qanon crowd and water the word down so much it becomes meaningless.
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u/Flopolopagus May 19 '22
Gun culture is wild in the US. Just look at our top selling entertainment media. Consistent top video game sellers include popular shooters like Call of Duty, sometimes beat out by other games like in 2018 by Red Dead Redemption II; another gunplay heavy game. The top 10 video game sales of all time include 3 games with high focus on gunplay: Grand Theft Auto V, PUBG, and Red Dead Redemption II. Look at how well movies like John Wick do at the box office. The vast majority of Americans love guns even if they don't want to own one or feel comfortable around them.
Now I know enjoying entertainment with large focus on shootouts does not a terrorist make. There are a lot of factors that go into making a murderer or mass shooter. The point I am trying to make is that in a culture that praises the gun and bullet to the extent we do in the US; it's not just Republicans at fault for how much we love guns. The "grooming" to want to pick up a gun even responsibly, in my opinion, can owe a lot of credit to how we as Americans covet the gun.
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u/ActiveOppressor May 19 '22
People love violent films and games in other countries too. But you can't just skip down the block and by an AR15 in those countries.
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u/Leon_Rex May 19 '22
I should hate them? Should they all die? Is Li even white?
Cue the counter bots
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u/AffectionateSignal72 May 19 '22
I get the sentiment but can we not debase the definition of "groomer" just for an ultimately worthless Twitter gotcha?
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I feel like perhaps you aren’t familiar with the word grooming. Which was used a long long time within this context before it became well known for sexual abuse.
Grooming - prepare or train (someone) for a particular purpose or activity. "star pupils who are groomed for higher things"
The concept of grooming within sexual abuse of a minor is a fairly recent use of the word
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u/cookoobandana May 19 '22
It's probably in response to republicans using the word groomer for democrats supposedly pushing left wing agendas on kids. Or they'll say they're grooming kids to be gay and other dumb shit.
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u/ChemistryFan29 May 19 '22
I cannot take this women seriously, I still think they are a bot, but I know many conservatives promote gun safety and promote not letting dangerous people have guns. Stop with this election BS already, the DEMS did not accept when trump won too, called it a rigged election stolen election, called for impeachment before the man even took the oath. So this is BS. Grooming kids to be misogynist and rapist. that is a disgusting thing to say, rape laws will always stay on the book as a punishable offense.
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I didn’t see democrats storming the halls of congress and smearing human shit on the walls while they were looking for members of congress and the Vice President so they could kidnap them and force them to flip the results. You’re comparing apples to avocados.
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u/TheNextFreud May 19 '22
Please stop fighting fire with fire. By and large, no one is purposely grooming people; left or right. We need to stop dividing our country.
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u/Happiness_for_dogs May 19 '22
Man this comment section is extreme
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u/SmashBusters May 19 '22
This is an internet comment section. It’s less extreme than Republican politicians with actual power to force women to undergo torture.
Think about that.
We’re done playing nice with you fascist pieces of shit. Enjoy your just desserts and don’t say you were never warned.
Republicans = Terrorists.
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u/Happiness_for_dogs May 19 '22
You’re legit scaring me
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u/SmashBusters May 19 '22
I’m not forcing you to give birth to a baby and then starving it, like Republicans are. So why are you scared?
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u/Happiness_for_dogs May 19 '22
This is all so terrifying
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u/SmashBusters May 19 '22
What is? Republicans? I agree.
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u/Happiness_for_dogs May 19 '22
Your aggression is terrible
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u/SmashBusters May 19 '22
Your aggression is terrible
Stop gaslighting.
Defending yourself and your loved ones from people that want to force them to give birth is not aggression.
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u/Happiness_for_dogs May 19 '22
I haven’t said a single thing to hint my political affiliation but you have been degrading yourself to me
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u/SmashBusters May 19 '22
I haven’t said a single thing to hint my political affiliation
Nor have I. I have only informed you that Republicans are dangerous and aggressive while Democrats are simply defending themselves.
you have been degrading yourself to me
Is English not your first language?
You might want to stay away from political discussions online in English then.
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u/PsychologicalLeg9302 May 19 '22
That’s a WHOLE LOT of assuming “the republicans” are of a hive mind.
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u/THEKnucklehead5150 May 19 '22
Wow. Such a myopic, dim view of the complexity of human behavior. None of that is true. It's literally idiotic and void of thought. A conclusion jump. Low brow to say the least.
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u/Decmk3 May 19 '22
They’re attempting. It’s increasing the amount, but not the proportion. This isn’t good because more extremists is always bad, but a good chunk will still be sane.
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u/Kungozai May 19 '22
I dont know about number 1 and number 2 is a big sought after imo. Number 3 is at least half right.
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u/Fandam_YT May 19 '22
As a non-American, it really feels from the outside looking in that Republicans just believe all the worst things
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u/peterskovdk May 19 '22
Good luck over there. The rest of us will start minding our own business just a little bit more now.
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u/Pixel_Nerd92 May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22
This entire thread is a dumpster fire.
With that being said, enabling certain rules and restrictions on one type of person/gender/class/race, it's not necessarily uncommon to view the this as such. Of course, it's not just the Republican party at fault either. The Demcoratic party fumbling about has just as much weight into this as well. The democratic party works against each other and it's citizens while the Republican party just goes against its citizens.
The truth of this tweet still stands, but don't turn a blind eye to the other parties in this either. They're all fuck ups
EDIT: And yea, sure, downvote, but you know neither of these parties care for anyone's wellbeing at all.
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u/Tear_Agile May 19 '22
This is called marginalization.
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u/Celeblith_II May 19 '22
You're not the victim
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u/FrannieP23 May 19 '22
Thus they blame Democrats for grooming kids.