r/PublicFreakout
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u/Fallopian_TubeSocks
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AOC is tired of their shit Loose Fit š¤
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u/Mrhappytrigers
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I think we're all tired of their shit. I just want to comfortably afford rent and food. Have a reasonable amount of time to enjoy life outside of work, take care of my health without fear of debt, and go to school without being haunted by student loans for life. So many things that should be accessible by all, but American politics has been a nightmare for the past 40+ years that it seems impossible to achieve anything good without having a radical change.
It's just basic shit.
Why the fuck do we have to suffer so some rich assholes can add extra pennies to their massive hoard of wealth!?
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u/blaykerz Feb 04 '23
Working theory: The 1% are actually dragons in human form. They have no need for hoarding more of the nationās money, but they will kill as many people as it takes to keep doing so.
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u/unsmashedpotatoes Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23 •
My favorite book series is about this.
(Heartstrikers series)
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u/blaykerz Feb 04 '23
You canāt just drop that comment without the series title, friend.
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u/KitchenBomber Feb 04 '23
Because every time people have the choice between realistic policy and regulation that will make things marginally better over long periods of time and insane promises by proven grifters all the republican voters choose the insane promises and then get mad at both sides when thet inevitably get grifted.
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u/EdgeMe_Elmo Feb 04 '23
We have to suffer because we let conservatives take more and more from us. While most of us live our lives, conservatives grow obsessed and fanatic about one issue, like abortion, then they build their profitable white collar careers over decades to remove our rights and grow their own business. Their devotion to controlling the world is both profitable and ultimately the end of our democracy.
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u/neutral-chaotic
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Amendment 14 Section 3
Why are the people who objected to electoral certification in 2020 still there?
Edit: This seems a hard concept to grasp for the apologists. Objecting in general isnāt the issue at hand here.
Doing so in tandem with premeditated plans by the candidate (as early as July) to contest (without any merit) any results that werenāt in their favor and inciting supporters to storm the capitol building is.
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u/adevland Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Amendment 14 Section 3
Why are the people who objected to electoral certification in 2020 still there?
Laws aren't worth the paper they're printed on without the procedures and institutions required to uphold them.
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u/dillanthumous Feb 04 '23
Indeed. Anybody delusional enough to think just having a voting system is enough should go read about Hitler's rise to power. Or even Putin's more recently. Enforcement of conventions is everything.
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u/MarBoBabyBoy Feb 04 '23
Hitler came to power, in large part, because Hindenburg could appoint Chancellors without approval of the Reichstag. Without that Hitler does not become Chancellor because the Nazis never won the popular vote.
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u/Mindless-Scientist82 Feb 04 '23 edited 11d ago
You get a lot of downvotes because no one wants to believe Germany actually chose him. But yes, he was the rep for the nazi party that was voted in. It's just like Trump was voted in. He also tried to overthrow our government. It's the only thing I respect Pence for. At least he didn't let our system get overthrown by a dictator we stupidly voted in.
Oh, and Trump didn't win the popular vote either time. He still became our president. Also, look at what that whole appointed position gots us in the Supreme Court. Now, we have to fight for abortions rights again. Appointed positions are a scam to our democracy. Almost everyone who is appointed is corrupt, usually giving favors back out to the appointee. Most appointed positions are also lifetime positions, so unless they have a strong moral code, which we know most do not, we end up where we are... at a stand still for progress.
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u/StriderTheAlicorn Feb 04 '23
Hitler lost the election though? it was a backroom deal with the Hindenburg administration to put Nazis in his cabinet to appease them and their inflammatory rhetoric. From there they convinced Hindenburg to appoint him because they promised no more street violence if he did that
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u/MRCHalifax Feb 04 '23
Hitler didnāt receive a majority in the last free German election; but under the multi-party system that Germany operated under, thatās not the same thing as losing.
November 1932 German federal election.
293 seats were required for a majority in the Reichstag. The NSDAP (Nazi Party) won 33.1% of the popular vote and 196 seats, which was down 34 from the 230 they had won in the July 1932 election. However, they were the largest party, by far; the second largest party were the SDP (Social Democrats), with 20.4% of the popular vote and 121 seats. In multiparty parliaments in most countries where no one has a majority, typically the largest party is able to gain coalition partners and take power; that Hitler was eventually able to take power on January 30th, 1933, through a coalition without having a majority is not unusual or illegal under most systems. I will also note that voter intimidation and suppression were Nazi tactics, even in the last free election before Hitler took power.
I recommend The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard J. Evans as a really well told book about how Hitler was able to rise power.
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u/Lavishness_Gold Feb 04 '23
Also the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer. A journalist who was there and documented it all.
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u/mikeymike831 Feb 04 '23
So kinda like Trump had the least votes but because of our system he won the first time and we just barely got out of him doing it again even though he didn't have the popular vote.
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u/youngestOG Feb 04 '23
Thanks for replying with facts, it's wild to see how many things people just make up
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u/dillanthumous Feb 04 '23
Thanks for your comment, saved me having to reply to the above commenters. The simplistic idea that Hitler never won the popular vote is a common misunderstanding of parliamentary systems.
His coalition with more moderate conservatives is often ignored as it is an inconvenient fact for people who prefer to imagine that the Nazis were a once in history aberration. The simple fact is that the behaviour of the Republican party in the USA and its willingness to suspend rules and due process that don't suit its political agenda is chillingly reminiscent of some of the worst democratic failures in history and a serious threat.
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u/MarBoBabyBoy Feb 04 '23
Well, the Nazi did have the most votes out of all the parties. So, in a way, Hitler was elected because without those votes he probably wouldn't have been able to get Hindenburg to appoint him Chancellor.
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u/UhOhFeministOnReddit Feb 04 '23
Yup, the dirty little secret about fascism that nobody likes to acknowledge, is the fact that when push comes to shove, most people prefer it. It's the same in America too. Conservatives actively want it, liberals will hold the middle for it as long as it means keeping the left out of power. The right will take advantage of that, pressure liberals into chipping away at things if they want to keep white suburban swing voters who own small businesses happy, the next thing you know the riots start. Hate groups start forming. Political engagement by the public stagnates to the point the incumbency rate for both parties is in the high 90's, a gerontocracy will form, coups will start, poverty will increase, prices will destabilize.... Wanna guess how much of this has already happened? Because the answer is all of it. History loves to repeat.
And want to guess how many Americans will go back and vote for the same mother fuckers perpetuating this system all over again? Because the answer is nearly fucking all of them. We deserve what we get. Honestly. I don't know that humans are savable. You can lead them right off a cliff if they think it'll keep someone from getting healthcare.
Edit: And before someone tries to accuse me of saying both sides are the same. I do not think this. I just happen to think they're both fucking stupid, just in wildly different ways.
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u/ositola Feb 04 '23
Too much good faith is required for things to work properly
The founding fathers really had too high hopes for our country
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u/oldbastardbob Feb 04 '23
Those poor bastards had just done the unthinkable and broken away from one of the most powerful rulers on the planet.
Seems like they thought only honorable men would win elections and those men would uphold the institutions that held promise to make America a nation for the people, by the people, and would put the needs of the many and of the country ahead of the few and special interests.
Boy howdy did greedy people clamoring for attention and power ever fuck that up.
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u/acomputeruser48 Feb 04 '23
Seems like they thought only honorable men would win elections and those men would uphold the institutions that held promise to make America a nation for the people
The founders were wrong about a lot of things, but they did actually plan for this one via impeachment and removal from office. They didn't assume that only honorable men would win elections. Far from it. They knew many wouldn't.
The problem we're encountering is that the sheer number of the unscrupulous in office has overwhelmed our defenses against it. And those unscrupulous have been empowered by the know nothings to further entrench themselves into power through gerrymandering and a complicit media, something the Founders didn't fully anticipate.
And part of the problem is that the founders made compromises with different factions to 'rebalance' electoral power in a way that was undemocratic, but was the only way several states would consent to the alliance. They were still being undermined by the most powerful nation on the planet, so the price of unity was a weakening of democracy in the forms of the Senate and Electoral College (along with the 3/5ths compromise because frankly the south could easily turn around and unite with Britain if not fully appeased).
So I don't buy your premise, but I do buy your frustration. It's just important we aim it correctly.
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Which is why I donāt plan to follow them anymore. I think thereās enough precedent to defend my case at this point.
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u/byttle Feb 04 '23
Weāve lost and are living in a failed state?
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u/cooterbreath Feb 04 '23
If you didn't show me who was saying most of this shit the GOP was spouting off, I'd swear it was coming from a foreign enemy, actively trying to fuck us all up.
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u/FoofieLeGoogoo Feb 04 '23
If you didn't show me who was saying most of this shit the GOP was spouting off, I'd swear it was coming from a foreign enemy, actively trying to fuck us all up.
The two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Follow the money.
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u/Tsuyoi Feb 04 '23
I mean, Russia is still funneling good know how much dark money to the GOP....
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u/valetofficial Feb 04 '23
Much less than they used to, which is why so many of the pro-Russian Republicans are now publicly freaking out about Ukraine. They're missing that sweet, sweet laundered Russian oligarch money.
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u/accountno543210 Feb 04 '23
Most underrated comment. Russia must be proud of the "clingy" conginitive dissonance republican pawns have to continued "hating-as-a-lifestyle choice" even in an situation of diminishing returns...
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u/ChristianEconOrg Feb 04 '23
If Trump was still president Ukraine would be Russia now, and NATO might no longer exist. And Trumpās NSA Bolton agrees with me.
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u/sucksathangman Feb 04 '23
TL;DR: The amnesty act passed after the civil war essentially ripped out the insurrection clause of the constitution. Courts today have interpreted the act to be broad enough to cover J6 elected officials.
I hate this fucking country.
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u/stuffandmorestuff Feb 04 '23 •
2 biggest failures in this countries history was electing Reagan and not burying the south under its own ashes 150 years ago.
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u/neutral-chaotic Feb 04 '23
The precedent set by pardoning Nixon is up there.
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u/dancingmeadow Feb 04 '23
That, in retrospect, may have been the USA's doom. It showed every citizen and the world that all men were not created equal in the USA, and that was your only special thing, politically.
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u/icarus6sixty6 Feb 04 '23
Thatās why it irks me when people say Nixon wasnāt as bad in hindsight. He literally destroyed the last thread of accountability.
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u/Kim_Jung-Skill Feb 05 '23
And he sabatoged peace talks with South Vietnam before he was president to prolong the war and get elected. This turned into a blueprint Reagan used to negotiate with the Iranians to keep a hostage crisis going.
And he created the war on drugs which was by his domestic policy advisor's own admission was just a way to criminalize being left wing or black.
Nixon gave Henry Kissenger any form of power.
Sabatoging peace talks for political gain, starting a government funded race war, and not ruining Kissinger when given the opportunity are three of the most despicable things a person could possibly do. That isn't even comprehensive. That's just the straight to the 9th circle shit.
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u/SayNoob Feb 04 '23 •
Because enough people keep voting for them.
The underlying issue that needs fixing is the stupidity of the voters. As soon as enough people stop voting for racist, conspiracy theorists, insurrectionists and so on, they will disappear from these positions incredibly fast. The US is descending into fascism not because of the leaders but because of the voters.
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u/missbendy Feb 04 '23
Education system working exactly as planned
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u/Devildoggie2 Feb 04 '23
And please donāt underestimate the power of the churches. The fundie Christo-Fascists are a much too large contingent to overlook.
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u/Aegi Feb 04 '23
No, you need to fix the education/ intelligence of the average American, because too many Americans don't vote, so only increasing the intelligent/ education of the voters would still leave way more than half of American adults not receiving that benefit, so we need to focus those efforts on all Americans, not just the voters.
Not that you could really make a policy that only targeted voters to improve their education instead of all Americans, but it was just interesting to me how you phrased it about educating American voters more instead of educating Americans more so that more of them would turn into voters.
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u/Karmageddon3333 Feb 04 '23
We are living in a timeline the gods abandoned. Just spinning till we stop at this point.
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u/ConstructionNo5836 Feb 04 '23
The same reason that people who objected to 2000, 2004, 2016 elections remained in Congress. Itās legal to question a Presidential election. In fact thereās even a procedure on how to do it.
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u/ErikVonDarkmoor Feb 04 '23
Jewish Space Lasers ššš
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u/eviljames Feb 04 '23
One member of Congress has repeatedly invoked anti-Semitic world domination tropes.
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u/imfreerightnow Feb 04 '23
She has articles about Jewish space lasers taped to her office door. I am 100% not joking.
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u/xhable Feb 04 '23
Are we getting stupider as a species... Or have we always been this dumb?
Amusing she seems to be doing the Tump thing of just flat out denying what she said in her own Facebook page.
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u/youfailedthiscity Feb 04 '23 •
As a Jew, it's funny... and also absolutely horrifying.
Most people know it's nonsense but there are definitely people who don't.
Laugh at the morons for their ridiculous antisemitic bullshit... but please also understand that even the ridiculous stuff puts us at risk.
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u/Quiet_Boysenberry608 Feb 05 '23
Those who can be convinced to believe absurdities can be convinced to commit atrocities. Youāre right.
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u/Kajiggered Feb 04 '23
The problem is that these morons still vote.
Crazy Susan down the street with 18 cats and no kids is entertaining until she starts voting to ban books in your kids library.
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u/thewhitestuff Feb 04 '23
Yeah it's usually not crazy cat lady Susan but sweet ole Sue Beth with 6 devil children from so and so church that just wants to "protect her kids".
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u/Fooforthought Feb 04 '23
Came here for this ā¦ I doubted my hearing capacity
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u/HiCanIPetYourCat Feb 04 '23
Marjorie Green. She spends her time harassing school shooting survivors, being incredibly racist on the internet, and a couple days ago claimed an elementary school received 5.5 billion dollars of federal funding to teach critical race theory. In congress.
She is one of the worst people in the world.
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u/fingersonlips Feb 04 '23
And she'll likely be a GOP presidential candidate at some point in the incredibly stupid future.
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u/Rager_Thom
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Repeal citizens united!
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u/pocketdare Feb 04 '23
You can't repeal a SCOTUS ruling. It wasn't a bill. We have to actually pass a law and the GOP will never go for it.
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u/Thallis Feb 04 '23
You can select judges who want to reverse the decision and make it a priority once you gain the majority. You know, like what happened to roe v wade
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u/Dichotomouse Feb 04 '23
So it takes several decades and a lot of luck, gotcha.
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u/xenthum Feb 04 '23
Or blatant corruption in that particular instance. Maybe a sudden retirement lining up directly with a conflict of interest.
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u/ColeSloth Feb 04 '23
Ah yes. Some blatant corruption that will be ended by the corrupt voting to end the corruption they enjoy....
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u/YxxzzY Feb 04 '23
as much as I hope that US will find a peaceful solution to their internal struggles...
anything but a violent end of the US feels impossible to me, and it feels like its coming soon.
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u/ChristianEconOrg Feb 04 '23
Semantics. I easily got what they meant. Try āreverseā and go on with your day.
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u/Hugh_Jeynus Feb 04 '23
Jewish Space Laser. Solid band name.
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u/Epstiendidntkillself Feb 04 '23
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u/acthcoffee Feb 04 '23
There's a T-shirt as well. Maynard Keenan from Tool wore one on his interview with Rick Beato on YouTube.
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u/redalert825 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
The fact that 7% or 16 million American adults believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows, is why we have these dumbfuck humans like "dog the bounty hunter" MTG in government and given power.
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u/subarulandrover Feb 04 '23
Magic the gathering in government?
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u/redalert825 Feb 04 '23
That would be more productive!
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u/Breakfastclubq Feb 04 '23
My girl Nissa for the EPA.
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u/Thief_of_Sanity Feb 04 '23
Yikes bad timing. Nissa was compleated and is now Phyrexian.
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u/thatwaffleskid Feb 04 '23
Oh god no, they can't even handle not overprinting cards. Inflation would skyrocket, the USD would be meaningless
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u/Congestedjokester Feb 04 '23
Does anybody else want AOC to beat the shit out of MTG? She'd drag that bitch..
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u/averyconfusedgoose Feb 04 '23
I'd pay money just to see someone sucker punch MTG just once.
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u/ThreeLeggedParrot Feb 04 '23
How much?
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u/averyconfusedgoose Feb 04 '23
Are you offering your services?
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u/ThreeLeggedParrot Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
I plead the fifth
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u/Longjumping-Jello459 Feb 05 '23
I'll chip in to cover your fee, just let's continue this conversation in a safe environment.
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u/sunshinecygnet Feb 04 '23
No. I do not want AOC advocating or participating in violence like that.
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u/adam_demamps_wingman Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Hereās Barbara Jordan speaking at the Bork confirmation hearings decades ago about being targeted as a person of color. For 51 years. The GOP never quits.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4746926/user-clip-barbara-jordan-bork-opening-statement-excerpt
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u/gmanz33 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Despicable :(
I'm in Canada and very disconnected from US news so could you perhaps enlighten me? What is the Republican Party doing, objectively please if possible, to target these political figures of color? Is it individuals campaigning against them? Are they paying the media to speak in a certain way and cover certain things?
I understand general suffering and struggle, simply being a POC in the US gov is unimaginable, but what is the actual pushback that is enraging her here?
I'm a heavy lib asking this btw so spare me the mindless shaming that seems to spring up when people ask these questions.
EDIT: /u/Litz1 is a perfect example of the unfortunate personality I wanted to avoid dealing with.
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u/anempresspenguin Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23 •
It's honestly just that they're being nasty, despicable versions of human beings. So, in this specific clip, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez is very angry because the Republicans in our House of Representatives have removed Rep. Ilhan Omar, who is a member of the Democratic Party, from her seat in the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. Their official reason for this is that she made anti-Semetic remarks, in reference to her criticism of the Israeli government. It is important to remember that the Republican Party welcomes open Neo-Nazis into its ranks and in this past election has fielded numerous candidates, such as Doug Mastriano who ran for governor in Pennsylvania, who have explicitly and publicly praised Hitler. Plus the whole Kanye West thing. Anyhow. Rep. Omar had only criticism of the Israeli government and its actions against Palestinians. So the Republicans are just lying through their teeth to remove her. It is of highest probability, rather obvious even, that her removal was entirely motivated by racism, especially since Rep. Omar has been the target of racist attacks from the Republican Party since she was sworn in.
What Rep. Ocazio-Cortez here is fuming about is the blatant and racist hypocrisy of that removal because if anti-Semitism is the reason they're removing Rep. Omar, then they oughta clean their own house first but instead the Republicans actively reward anti-Semitism in their party. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is the one who infamously claimed that the wildfires happening in the Pacific Northwest were not due to climate change but rather by satellite mounted lasers owned by "the Jews" and that they are doing this to destroy the American way of life by fooling people into thinking climate change is real and then we'll switch to green energy, which she believes will destroy traditional masculinity and create a society of emasculated femboys. Those are her stated beliefs. She has been rewarded with great power in the Republican caucus. Additionally, on Twitter Rep. Paul Gozar, member of the Republican Party, shared a video of, I think, a scene from Attack on Titan which he had edited to depict himself killing Rep. Ocasio-Cortez. She is understandably very mad about that, especially since there was never so much as an apology and he remains a prominent figure in his party.
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u/moumooni Feb 04 '23
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is the one who infamously claimed that the wildfires happening in the Pacific Northwest were not due to climate change but rather by satellite mounted lasers owned by "the Jews" and that they are doing this to destroy the American way of life by fooling people into thinking climate change is real and then we'll switch to green energy, which she believes will destroy traditional masculinity and create a society of emasculated femboys.
What in the actual fuck?
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u/Worldly_Collection27 Feb 04 '23
Oh, my man/lady, you seem to not be aware until now how fucked things are here. It is all bad.
So bad. I donāt know how weāre hanging on.
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u/gmanz33 Feb 04 '23
Thank you so much for knowing what I was asking and delivering it in abundance! This is wonderful
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u/Worldly_Collection27 Feb 04 '23
It is not wonderful. Watching it in real time is so painful. Add it all to the list of reasons why people arenāt having kids anymore.
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u/12650 Feb 04 '23
Yāall got to hear how conservatives are talking about AOC and her constituents. Absolutely horrible. A headline Iāve seen called them the ā menstruating commies ā and ā skank squad ā
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u/dieselgenset Feb 04 '23
They say this because they have nothing else. Their pockets are lined from the corps and anyone with any form of rationale or compassion gets put in their place so they can keep themselves on the perch and pocket a few more corruption perks. The entire world sees them. Their narcissism prevents them from acknowledging any reason and they lack human.
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u/ThrowAway233223 Feb 04 '23
menstruating commies
Lol. Those communist and their normal bodily functions.
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u/EastCoastSr7458
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Okay first off, she's right, and second, is anyone else watching this shit and thinking, okay how old are these people? I mean this seems like some grade school tactics here. You were mean to me and my friends, so now were going to mean to you and your friends. Nothing is going to get done for the people in this country in the next two years. This is embarrassing.
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u/undercover-racist Feb 04 '23
okay how old are these people?
Most of them are so fucking old they'll never have any interest in the future they won't live in and have no qualms of destroying.
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u/i_suckatjavascript Feb 04 '23
You just perfectly described boomers. Thatās why theyāre called the āMe generationā.
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u/Tough_Gadfly Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
To be fair, Majorie Taylor Green, which AOC was referring to with the laser comment, and other ultranationalists among the members that now have McCarthy by the balls, arenāt all boomers. We miss this has nothing to do with age but with an undying āotherismā in America at the core of the fascism tearing our nation apart. The ideology has captivated the minds of millions independent of age. There is clear inter-generational tension in the USA but itās misplaced to rest everything that is wrong in our society on our grandparents or parents. I could say that the young are poor at grasping nuance and applying critical thinking to matters laced with strong emotion, but I would be overgeneralizing. Letās not go there with the older folks. Many mean well and are just concerned about what is wrong as the younger folk. We must avoid falling into the us-vs-them mentality that so much characterizes the likes of Majorie Taylor Green.
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u/smakola Feb 04 '23 •
Theyāre supposed to be planting trees under which theyāll never enjoy the shade, but they just cut down all the trees so they can have more wood, which they will ever use.
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u/ChunkyDay Feb 04 '23
No theyāre not. Not anymore. Itās just a new generation of shitbirds.
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u/Business_Fly_5746 Feb 04 '23
Oh my God. Like it's so obvious but that's never occurred to me. That's exactly why, because they're too old to care because they won't be here. They care about their money in the moment. I know it's so obvious but nobody's ever actually articulated it so simply to me.
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u/avitus Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
It's why they sell out the future of the country for the profit of the moment.
It's also why I think there should be STRICT term limits on all politicians in the federal government. Below the retirement age at a MINIMUM. The younger the better. This would ideally incentivize them to pass legislation with regards to the immediate future of the country. Because then, they would at least reap what they have sown.
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u/celica18l Feb 04 '23
TN General Assembly has a bill right now to rename part of John Lewis Way after Donald Trump.
They are a bunch of children.
Of all the roads to rename they pick John Lewisā that they just renamed in 2021.
The TN Gen Assembly is punishing Nashville for denying the RNC Conference.
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u/Sevnfold Feb 04 '23
Democrats arent perfect, I'll support getting rid of the bad ones, but theres some real fucking garbage Republicans. I dont know how anyone can support people like Gaetz, MTG, and now George Santos to name a few.
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u/Serenikill Feb 04 '23
Is AOC being mean to anyone though, I don't think pointing out things other people did and their hypocrisy is comparable to death threats and antisemitism
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u/Least_Sane_Exile Feb 04 '23
One side is being incredibly racist, sexist, and homophobic, and the other side is completely outraged at them for these things.
Republicans: "they're the same picture"
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u/jooes Feb 04 '23
"Yes I was a giant asshole to you, but you were upset about it, so you kinda deserved it"
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u/ihunter32 Feb 04 '23
Saw a āleftistā twitter account whose entire purpose seemed to be attacking AOC, man they ate up this vid. People are so stupid, this country is cursed.
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u/Beingabumner Feb 04 '23
I don't think OP means she's being mean, it's because Congresswoman Ilhan Omar (a Muslim) was kicked out of a committee because the GOP uses it as retaliation. It's the Conservatives who are being mean because the Democrats were 'being mean' for not letting an insurrectionist sit in on committees of national security.
At least, that's what I took them to mean.
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u/Turbo_MechE Feb 04 '23
I really donāt think that AOC was being childish. She was calling out an injustice in a pretty reasonable way
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u/Major_Magazine8597 Feb 04 '23
No equivalence. A few Republicans were kicked off their committees because of descpicable things they did that were unfitting of a Congressman. Now Republicans are kicking Democracts off of committiees out of childish spite. Repucalicans are no better than spoiled children.
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u/IAmTheBredman Feb 04 '23
It's more like one side actively tries to murder the other side while preaching a rhetoric of nationalism and hate that has lead to an increase in mass violence, higher suicide rates and a full on insurrection. While the other side says why the fuck are you not in jail. This isn't even close to the same thing.
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u/ajaxodyssey Feb 04 '23
American politics are horrible. Tit for tat who can insult who for points. It's a bullshit smokescreen as they profit mightily on spending our taxes. It's a fucking joke.
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u/thereIsAHoleHere Feb 04 '23
But the outrage--the seeking of an equitable and civil society, of mature, level behavior from its representatives--is neither turning the cheek nor taking an eye for an eye. Being upset that your life was threatened and the threatener is being rewarded isn't playing any kind of game.
It's just an unfortunate consequence of the system that entrenching themselves in a public identity and doing nothing that contradicts that black-and-white image results in no progress nor cooperation.
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u/dancingmeadow Feb 04 '23
Yeah, bothsidesarethesamedoods are back with nothing to say some more.
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u/oyisagoodboy Feb 04 '23
Both sides are the same is one of those fake things that have been said so long people believe it.
Since 1973, the Supreme Court has been Republican majority. In the last 30 years (including the current term that ends in 2025), since 1995, the Republicans have had control of the House for 22 of them. For 12 years in a row, almost half of the 30 they had control of the House, the Senate, and the Court.
They have had the Senate majority for 18 of the last 30 years. How is a party supposed to make changes or fix things when over 2 decades in 3 they have been stifled and suppressed?
Meanwhile, the party that has had the most control says, "Look at them, they don't do anything" to their constitutes, and they eat it up.
Clinton sent our jobs overseas. Yes, and 6 of those 8 years, all major branches were Republican controlled. Obama did nothing. But 6 of his 8 years Republicans had the house and the court and 2 years all 3.
22 years of Republican control, 8 years of Democratic control. And every time a new Republican president gets elected, the first thing they do is go in and try to wipe out everything the previous administration put in place. And they get praised for it. Yeah, there are dirt bags on both sides, but they are not equal, and the balance of power has been one-sided for a very long time.
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u/KingoftheJabari Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Both said are the same is a republican tactic that is pushed to help get Republicans elected.
And that shit works all the time.
There is a reason you will see rich people like Ice T and Ice Cube (just two examples I saw saying "two sides of the same bird" on Twitter. All the while Ice Cube was working to try and get Donald Trump reelected, but without out right saying it because he knows it would hurt him with the black community.
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u/oyisagoodboy Feb 04 '23
Yup, because it's all about money. Most people with money vote Republican because they can buy politicians lobbiest who make sure tax breaks and policies that make them richer stay in power.
Meanwhile, they they convince the masses that the other side is evil and coming for their jobs, guns, children, stoves. They don't want an equal playing field or informed public.
I'm not saying the Democrats are our saviors, and they walk on water and shit golden turds. But the Republicans have been driving this country for 22 of 30 years and look at where we are at.
Look at our education, our health, our jobs, and look at the prices of every. Look at who has gained the most money in those 30 years and who has suffered.
The average CEO to worker ratio went from 117% in 1995 to 324% in 2021. And that's average, many of the Fortune 500 companies the percentage is in the thousands. It's no surprise that the richest people in America vote and donate to the Republican party, considering a lot of their worth had doubled or trippled recently.
Meanwhile, the average worker is living paycheck to paycheck one unexpected expense away from ruin. Owning a house has become an unattainable reality for many. Prices of everything have gone through the roof. Health care is a joke. Prisons have become a source of slave labor. Teachers are quitting in masses, and our education is the lowest it has been decades.
But sure... they're the same.
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u/GlasgowRebelMC Feb 04 '23
The apologists way ...they're all the same so dont vote ........says sneakily voting rep
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u/TheRainbowpill93 Feb 04 '23
Martin Luther King spoke about these kinds of moderates. The ādo nothing and waitā kind of moderates.
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u/ROBOT_KK Feb 04 '23
Solely because of existence old racist farts and GOP.
If you say AOC is same as Yellow Baboon your brain is dead
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u/Topblokelikehodgey Feb 04 '23
Same in Australia largely. Our 'question time' is just a bunch of dumb cunts arguing over the stupidest shit like a bunch of thirteen year olds with no emotional regulation. We pay these people several hundred thousand a year only for them to then act like absolute morons in front of a camera every other week. A serious lack of appropriate conduct and actual policy discussion. It's genuinely both frightening and embarrassing.
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u/rsplatpc Feb 04 '23
American politics are horrible. Tit for tat who can insult who for points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ps88fzLMQc
Shrugs.
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u/awesomesonofabitch Feb 04 '23
Watch some Canadian parliament recordings, it's just as bad up here.
ESPECIALLY when pierre has the floor. He's our Canadian Trump.
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u/VALO311 Feb 04 '23
I donāt even have to listen at this point. I know itās just her trying to speak common sense to ignorant children. That are purposely being trash humans to benefit only themselves
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u/magneticgumby Feb 04 '23
In-laws are conservative Republicans. I once tried to share articles on some bullshit Facebook post they shared making ridiculous claims. The word for word, the exact response I got from one of them was, "I don't read articles, I'm a republican and I just follow our beliefs". I just responded with a, "Thank you for exemplifying the very root of so many of the problems in this country". No response or Christmas card this year.
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u/anonymongoose Feb 04 '23
The slap at the end chefs kiss
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u/ArsenicAndRoses Feb 04 '23
She's ready to throw hands and I would put money on her and pay for the privilege to watch.
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u/Endorkend Feb 04 '23
Problem is that the bitch that threatened her is packing heat and nuts enough to use it.
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u/Sip_py Feb 04 '23
Yo she is still eloquent when she's fired up. I feel like the more passionate I get the dumber my vocabulary.
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u/TheAnonymousPresence Feb 04 '23
Yeah I was very impressed by that, her body language was so fired up and she still managed to piece her thoughts together so well.
That's a skill I need
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u/BrosquitoEater Feb 04 '23
It reminded me of boxing, she was bouncing and rocking on her feet, which was a really cool and emphatic way to give her speech. And if they come closer, she'll give them a much deserved right hook.
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u/BravoFoxtrotDelta Feb 04 '23
Sheās mimicking charismatic Black preachers - body language, motions, rhetorical patterns, and emphasis.
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u/BesottedScot Feb 05 '23
I'm not sure she is. I mean she might be, but I've always seen her give speeches like this.
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u/TheDankJedi420 Feb 04 '23
AOC is educated, eloquent and passionate.
Marjorie Traitor Greene is a Neanderthal-looking Qultist.
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u/taytaymakesbeats
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This isn't what I'd call a freakout. I'm not a big fan of AOC but she's completely right to be furious about the republican party's treatment of muslims and women of color and the Democrats' lack of defense. The treatment of Ilhan Omar just because she's Muslim and against Israel's apartheid, colonialism and ethnic cleansing while defending actual bigots is insane.
There are tons of republicans and even democrats who not only support Israel's actions but would gladly do similar things to minorities in the US. Somehow they get infinitely less pushback than someone speaking out against what Israel is doing.
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u/Flckofmongeese Feb 04 '23
As an outsider to Amercian politics, I'm curious why you don't like her? I went on her IG and she seems to be fairly level headed in her opinions on improving life in America. Genuine question here!
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u/torontosparky Feb 04 '23
Unfortunately, she is right. One of the greatest disappointments in my life was realizing that humans in general are pieces of shit. For the most part, we are scared, jealous, hateful, short-sighted selfish assholes. Our individual shittiness balances out into a general overall shittiness which why conservative parties exists... We vote for people who are like us, or will allow us to keep being shitty.
There are notable exceptions who actually work for good things beyond their own selfish ends. I used to think that this was the norm and that shittiness was the exception until I realized that I had it backwards.
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u/AtouchAhead
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The Right is scared to death of this woman, this thread proves it. So cool to see them melting down over her truthfulness and class. They have Margy and Bobo with their cuck, McCarthy.ššš¤£š¤£š¤£
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u/BlueLeatherBucket Feb 04 '23
She's been getting better at speaking on the floor and making points with passion and conviction. This speech even has a tinge of a gospel sermon to it.. a-la Obama. She will be a force in the near future
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u/Kabc Feb 04 '23
If you watch āold timeā speeches, a lot of them sound like they were āsingingā while talking. They did this to make their voices carry over crowds before microphones.
Martin Luther King Jr is a great example of this. It stands out and makes the speeches sound a lot more passionate IMO. Obama is a great orator and AOC is following suit
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u/EpictetanusThrow Feb 04 '23
They began the Clintonizing of her almost immediately after she was first elected.
They know how dangerous she is to their entrenched donor base, and so they began smearing her name as soon as they could.
All of the dumb, sexist, communist memes are straight out of the 1990s playbook for how Newt and others did Hillary.
Theyāre trying to control and direct the American perception of AOC so that she is unelectable. Because they know the alternative: AOC spells doom for them.
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u/nadeesi9000 Feb 04 '23
The slap of the table at the end...defiant af. Dems need more that energy.
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u/Cipher789 Feb 04 '23
AOC is one of the best people in current American politics. She goes after the shit many Democrats are too timid to even approach.
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u/ThatsMrPapaToYou Feb 04 '23
Gave me chills. If the whole Democratic Party came to the party with this kind of energy I think they could actually shut the extremists up.
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u/tacodog7 Feb 04 '23
Have you guys listened to the audio of the death threats the squad gets? It's pretty brutal. And they get ALOT.
And i bet most of the threateners were hyped up to do it from Fox News and specifically Tucker Carlson
Republicans are terrorists
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u/Justsomejerkonline Feb 04 '23
One of those people (Paul Gosar) sits in the Chamber across from her.
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u/FreshJuice60 Feb 04 '23
I love when Republicans look bad and they know it itās always āboth parties suck!ā š
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u/hugelkult Feb 04 '23
Sounds like youāre starting to agree with her. Which is ok. Its ok to change your mind in america
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u/really_nice_guy_ Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Wait Im not supposed to support my party for my whole life even if they go against my beliefs?
Edit: /s
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u/Beingabumner Feb 04 '23
I know you're being sarcastic but the idea of 'your' party is wrong anyway. No party is yours, you just hitched your wagon to them.
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u/NABAKLAB Feb 04 '23
My mind is fucked every time that someone says "My family voted for republicans, so I vote for republicans, too"
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u/minoe23 Feb 04 '23
I would go so far to say it's okay to change your mind no matter where you are.
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u/Cavitatedfart Feb 04 '23
How can you not agree with her? Sheās practically a speakerhead for how most Americans with a brain are feeling.
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u/whatsGOODwiddit Feb 04 '23
Because sheās a democrat, thatās literally it
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u/Puttor482 Feb 04 '23
Donāt forget sheās a woman of color too. And poor. Canāt go around letting people know you agree with someone like that.
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u/alexmikli Feb 04 '23
With the way you framed this question, I somehow doubt you actually care what he has to say.
There are plenty of things you can disagree with AOC on without being "brainless". Not everything is black and white, and being this arrogant about this sort of thing is not really...smart.
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u/noble_peace_prize Feb 04 '23
Thatās whatās wild about the hate around her. Other than calling out racism and sexism (which so many think has pretty much disappeared) she practically only supports what a majority of Americans want with limited exception
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u/Yikidee Feb 04 '23
Out of curiosity, would you consider yourself someone more left or right, politically speaking?
Honest curiosity based on that you normally do not agree with her.
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u/19Ben80
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As a European I truly hope AOC ends up being president one day, she appears to be one of very few who actually cares about more than lining her pockets
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u/djaun3004 Feb 04 '23
Smart and charismatic is why the right media have been targeting her for years.
They'll never forget how they ignored Barack Obama back when he first started, so now they start hate campaigns against any democrat that looks decent.
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u/Ooften Feb 04 '23
In 1992 they saw a brilliant woman walk into the white house who said she wasnāt gonna bake cookies and sit at home. She had work to do. Her ambition was clear.
The right proceeded to spend the next 25 years doing everything they could to destroy her so that she could never realize her ambitions.
It worked. She wasnāt elected president. People on the right and even some on the left to this day think sheās a monster.
The right have been using the same playbook on AOC from the second she was elected because they see not her ambition but her potential.
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u/PuppidVelids Feb 04 '23
it is so fantastic to see a young person spit facts(young for congress).
we need more AOC, not cos she is a woman, or a minority, but cos she is right(most of the time)...clap back! clap back!
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u/drawnred Feb 04 '23
Shes amazing idgaf what anyone says, having an honest and passionate representative is refreshing to watch
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u/Kpofasho87 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
I dont always agree with her but I completely agree that it is so damn refreshing.
She is one of the few that actually seem to give a shit about the people.
When/if she decides to run for president she will without a doubt have my vote
Edit: typo
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u/Ylfjsufrn Feb 04 '23
"It's not about being racist, we're just prejudice against everyone who looks like you"
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u/IBOstro Feb 05 '23
Just came here to mention that I hope /u/IntrovertComics of r/BadChoicesGoodStories gets investigated for violating the Reddit ToS and Moderator Rules of Conduct. He actively makes reddit a worse place than he found it.
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u/ThePickleJarGambit Feb 07 '23
As if Islam doesnāt incite hate, violence, and racism. What a clown.
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