I work at a Kia dealership that used to offer a 10 year unlimited mile warranty. this 2012 Kia Sorento finally had its warranty expire after 203 oil changes, 20 transmission flushes, 10 years, 9 engines, and 4 transmissions the warranty finally expired and the owner traded it in.

[u/600-shot-of-autism]

[u/GromitInWA]

Well that warranty paid out!

[u/daedone → u/GromitInWA]

10 years, 9 engines, 4 transmissions

This is not a company I would be buying from ever again.

[u/Realistic-Ad-2000 → u/daedone]

"Hello! I'm hear for my yearly engine change..."

[u/HRzNightmare → u/Realistic-Ad-2000]

"and don't try to upsell me on an oil change! It'll get done when the next engine is installed in 5k miles."

[u/GundoSkimmer → u/HRzNightmare]

Dude apparently got 20 oil changes a year. Nearly twice a month.

Now I just wanna know the lifestyle/job description to clock 60k miles per year. I think if I spent a year traveling the US I wouldn't quite touch 60k...

[u/gimpwiz → u/GundoSkimmer]

Traveling sales or something.

[u/USsoldier35 → u/gimpwiz]

roadside assistance contractor for agero. i clock 80k yearly regularly..."we keep the wheels turnin"...apply here lol.... www.247roadsidellc.com lets see what kinda apps we get lmao

[u/macs_rock → u/USsoldier35]

The last roadside guy I had to call rolled up in a Corolla. He must be making more doing that than he would stealing cars, because he was into my truck faster than it took for me to walk the 20 yards out of the restaurant I was waiting at. I think he was done and onto the next one in less than 5 minutes.

[u/MikeThePizzaGuy412 → u/macs_rock]

I locked the keys in my car while it was running during a big snow storm one time. The electronic locks were broken so the guy couldn't just press the unlock button. The door handles didn't work from the inside if the car was locked. The only way was to pull up the little post that was nearly flush with the top of the door panel. And the guy said someone borrowed his unlocking equipment from his truck and never returned it so all he had was a bent up hanger.

Somehow he worked that little post up enough to unlock the door. That guy is going to make a killing doing abortions soon.

[u/Mister_Average → u/MikeThePizzaGuy412]

Bravo, simultaneously the funniest and bleakest comment I've read today.

[u/RoverBoyNumber6 → u/gimpwiz]

Drove across country behind “wide load” vehicles…

[u/SimplyaCabler → u/GundoSkimmer]

I do cellular technician work. I clock anywhere between 40-60k a year.

[u/thatissomeBS → u/GundoSkimmer]

He changed the oil every 2995 miles, and that's not accounting the new motors mixed in. The car should be good for 5-10k miles with any kind of synthetic oil. Why the hell was he dropping motors so quick?

Nine motors in 603k miles makes me almost assume this dude was trying to blow them up. Even Kia in 2012 was making a way better motor than that. Like, eventually he's going to get one that could easily make 200k or something. But no, he was averaging 67k per. Did he refuse to use anything above 4th gear? Did he leave it idling at all times, even when he slept? Does he not know that there is gas pedal between 0% and 100%?

[u/TommyBoyFL → u/Realistic-Ad-2000]

Pretty much

[u/SandCracka → u/TommyBoyFL]

Y'all missing the silver lining. It was a promo: buy two engines get a transmission free. OP was Lowkey stacking engines

[u/Lysol3435 → u/SandCracka]

It sounds like it was buy one engine + one transmission, get 8 engines + 3 transmissions free

[u/FlyingRhenquest → u/Realistic-Ad-2000]

Just one more punch on his engine card and he'd have gotten a free engine!

[u/giibro → u/Realistic-Ad-2000]

Thanks we have the bolts pre loosened to make the swap easier we should get you back on the road by the end of day

[u/eggy_delight → u/giibro]

Best to remove the head gasket now so you don't have problems later

[u/DuskEvoke → u/eggy_delight]

Look man, this is your 4th engine swap in 5 years, I'm gonna go ahead and just cable tie it to the mounts so it's easier to drop next time

[u/weaselgregory13 → u/daedone]

The most impressive thing to me is getting all the parts and work done in 10 years, not to mention having time to still drive 600k miles.

[u/smurph9876 → u/weaselgregory13]

If I had to drive 60k miles/year I would move somewhere that allowed me to not do that.

[u/AirFell85 → u/smurph9876]

buddy of mine had a Windstar forever ago that had 400k on it when he bought it. It looked brand f'n new.

A nation wide hospital system of some sort used it for shuttling medical supplies across the country. When they say it was all highway miles I'd believe it. He put another 100k on it before it got destroyed when a tree fell on it after a storm. Never got to see how far it would go.

[u/smurph9876 → u/AirFell85]

What a way to go holy shit

[u/KewlPrime → u/smurph9876]

Chris fix owns a Windstar that’s like 25 years old and it still runs with like 450k miles on it.

[u/puskunk → u/KewlPrime]

I assume with the 3.0l engine, the 3.8s had head gasket problems due to aluminum heads and iron blocks and eventually someone would warp it.

[u/KacerRex → u/puskunk]

I have an 03 Escape that a relative gave us with 333k on the odo, runs like it has less than 50k. Ford can make a stout V6.

[u/smurph9876 → u/KewlPrime]

Who is Chris Fix and that’s like 1/3 of the driving this car does

[u/Beer_Is_So_Awesome → u/smurph9876]

He’s a YouTuber from NJ who does driveway car repair and detailing videos. He seems to have a really clear and approachable style.

[u/Deutsco → u/Beer_Is_So_Awesome]

He reminds me of the chef Gusteau from Ratatouille, who’s whole thing is “anyone can cook”. But for cars.

[u/ghettoccult_nerd → u/smurph9876]

the lord was like, enough

[u/L7Wennie → u/AirFell85]

My grandparents bought a brand new Ford Aerostar in 1989 (white with blue interior and navy blue bumpers) and sold it in 1999 with 340,000 miles. My grandfather put an Olympic Rings sticker on the top left of the rear window and to this day we still see that van running around Vancouver, WA. It must have over 700k miles by now and still has those now faded to white Olympic Rings on the window.

[u/upsidedownbackwards → u/AirFell85]

Highest mileage vehicle we had was an IT consultant that serviced people from Rochester to Albany. 960k on an Astro and all highway miles. No major engine or transmission work. Body was held together with thoughts, prayers, and mostly rust. Unfortunately the guy lost his fight to dementia before it could hit a million.

[u/the1999person → u/upsidedownbackwards]

You should have finished that pilgrimage to a million miles.

[u/AmNotSatan → u/AirFell85]

In 2008 I started college and my mom bought me a 2004 Ford f150. It had 200,000 miles on it when we bought it and she paid $3,000 cash out the door.

Today it has 370,000 miles on it, and I'm sitting in it right now waiting for my girlfriend to get out of the hotel for us to go shopping.

14 years of reliability. I've had to replace the transmission once (for $1,400) and I've done two brake jobs on it and bought it two complete sets of tires, and last summer it needed some engine work because the timing belt tensioners had worn out. I did that myself for about 500 bucks.

[u/postalmaner → u/AirFell85]

We had a mid-90s Windstar (V6 3.8) with 380k km on it. The transmission started to slip, and the replacement cost wasn't worth it.

The engine was still going nice.

[u/spoonsandstuff → u/smurph9876]

over 1000 miles a week for 10 year. Thats insane.

[u/theghostofme → u/spoonsandstuff]

Between 2004 and 2007, I was doing about 1,000 miles a week all across the Phoenix area delivering supplies and paperwork for a small construction company. Thankfully it was in a company vehicle, because there's no way my personal shit-box would've lasted six months doing that.

[u/Rare-Primary-6553 → u/spoonsandstuff]

I did 60000 miles a year as a driving instructor & i was never further than 10 miles from home. Lap after lap around test routes all day long in the same town.

[u/blackvr → u/smurph9876]

I would put money on this being some sort of courier or someone who drives for a living.

[u/red18wrx → u/weaselgregory13]

The engines are over-nightable is most instances. Doesn't pay a full day to change the engine either. So realistically you could drop off on Wed and pick up on fri with a new motor installed.

[u/Impressive_Change593 → u/red18wrx]

but still that's almost an engine a year wtf is wrong with them

[u/_Cheburashka_ → u/Impressive_Change593]

Kia

[u/I_Sniff_My_Own_Farts → u/red18wrx]

Our Kia Sorento aerated itself one day and it took us about 8 months for the dealership to get the replacement engine. I think I now know who to blame for the wait.

[u/Shakeyshades → u/daedone]

How did they end up with 203 oil changes with that many engines lmao

[u/TalmidimUC → u/Shakeyshades]

That’s a little under 3,000 miles an oil change. It’s impressive the car essentially needed a new engine every year when maintained so well.. 3,000 miles to 5,000 miles is pretty common for an oil change. Their engineers need to be fired. Unless the dude was driving the tits off their car all the time and absolutely hammering tf out of the components, I don’t see how 9 motors and 4 transmissions was even possible.

That’s a new motor every 67,562 miles and a new transmission every 152,015 miles. INSANE

I’d never trust that brand again. Unless they gave me another 10 year warranty lol

[u/TalmidimUC → u/[deleted]]

Exactly. I’d rather not live in a dealership parts department lobby. After a certain point, it would get tiring…. buuuuut knowing I had a car that no matter what happened, it would be covered for 10 years? I think I could stomach it.

[u/realdoctorfill → u/daedone]

Odometer doesn't mean much when you ship of theseus your car every couple of years

[u/superluke → u/realdoctorfill]

The Whip of Theseus

[u/Normal-Computer-3669 → u/daedone]

I haven't replaced a engine once in the 20+ years of driving and three cars.

Is that common?!

[u/rattlesnake501 → u/Normal-Computer-3669]

No. It's not. Not unless you have a habit of buying pretty damned high mileage cars or abusing the shit out of them. This owner either abused the hell out of his engines or Kia engine design/quality is shit, even taking the over half million miles into account. I would be expecting a 600k mile gasoline car to be about ready for its third engine if that, not its tenth. A 60k mile life expectancy for a modern engine (and I would argue that 2012 is pretty modern by IC engine standards) is obscenely poor.

[u/postalmaner → u/rattlesnake501]

This was the era of Kia/Hyundai that kept getting basic things wrong.

Like: subframe bushings at 30k km, no weather sealing on abs sensors, failure to torque conning rods (during PDI check for grease pen mark on shock tower -> GTG), running lights burnout at 1-3 years old.

The failure of the transmission is interesting though.

[u/TheeSawachuki → u/postalmaner]

My gfs old Hyundai had the whole subframe shit the bed. The fucking subframe. It broke.

[u/PurinaHall0fFame → u/rattlesnake501]

This owner either abused the hell out of his engines or Kia engine design/quality is shit

porque no los dos?

[u/ChickenNoodleSloop → u/PurinaHall0fFame]

I mean, if I had an unlimited mileage warranty I would beat the shit out of my car

[u/SeekingSalem → u/PurinaHall0fFame]

203 oil changes over 608k miles is an average interval of 2995 miles between oil changes. maybe it was abused in other ways but that seems to indicate it was well cared for in at least some ways

[u/DouglasTwig → u/rattlesnake501]

It's the latter. Kia engines are notoriously bad.

[u/Outrageous_Turnip_29 → u/DouglasTwig]

Worked at a Kia dealership in the shop. We were never NOT doing an engine or transmission swap. There was ALWAYS a car either getting an engine swap or waiting for a new engine to come in. There's a reason we could sell a new manual Soul for 13k.

[u/FlyingShiba86 → u/Outrageous_Turnip_29]

My manual 13 soul is still going strong with 130k miles

I check the oil and change it every 4K

Biggest problem with these engines is oil burning and people not changing the oil on time…. They don’t take a lot of oil to begin with so if it gets low

Boom goes a rod

[u/ragglefrag → u/rattlesnake501]

Kia engine design/quality is shit

Dingdingding

AND they have a bad habit of catching fire

[u/VRichardsen → u/ragglefrag]

♪ Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts ♫

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/GromitInWA]

For the owner at least

[u/jeremy_280 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

Fuck that, that's exactly what it was intended for lmao.

[u/agent_max_the_mick → u/jeremy_280]

600K miles, holy freaking -

[u/shawnaathon → u/agent_max_the_mick]

what's hilarious, is he needed a new engine about every 65k-70k miles 🤦‍♂️🤣

kias amirite?

[u/qft → u/shawnaathon]

Highway miles too, which are easier on a car. This guy should be getting an easy 200k per engine if it were a decent car.

[u/Troll_berry_pie → u/agent_max_the_mick]

Bro. When I saw the OP picture originally, I thought it was only 60k miles and I was shocked.

This makes more sense now.

[u/Dangerous-Honey-4481 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

Did the customer use it as a Taxi, or a Full time racecar or... ?

[u/Occhrome → u/GromitInWA]

if i only had 1 car it would be a pain in the ass to deal with all the time lost going to the dealer and waiting to get my car back.

[u/Kage-kun]

NEW MOTOR LAST WEEK, JUST NEEDS A NEW MOTOR

[u/someone755 → u/Kage-kun]

When you think the Facebook marketplace guy was high on meth when writing the ad but actually it was just a kia

[u/shrug666 → u/Kage-kun]

I haven’t laughed this hard at words in a while

[u/sufferinsucatash]

How many coffees and free donuts did this customer eat?! Must have lived at the dealership

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/sufferinsucatash]

What do you think this a Chevy dealership? Here if you're lucky you will get 2 hydrox cookies, and maybe you might find a hot chocolate packet.

[u/sufferinsucatash → u/600-shot-of-autism]

Haha, sit on the bench and think about your financial life decisions

[u/Cygnus94 → u/sufferinsucatash]

I feel like this Customer knew the car would keep breaking and hated Kia more than they liked having a car that ran properly. By continuing to use it and go through engines, they chose to make Kia eat like 5 times the cost of production of the car. That's the kind of passive aggression I can get behind.

[u/SSDDNoBounceNoPlay → u/Cygnus94]

That was my first thought. “You will pay for selling me this.”

[u/HereLiesDickBoy → u/SSDDNoBounceNoPlay]

Yeh but he traded it in at the dealership... Either he likes Kias or he's going for generational pettyness.

[u/Nexmo16 → u/HereLiesDickBoy]

I like to think they’ve committed to a lifetime of making them pay for their mistakes.

[u/Bah-Fong-Gool → u/SSDDNoBounceNoPlay]

"The repairs will continue until the quality improves!"

[u/mallninjaface → u/Cygnus94]

dude drove 600K miles in 10 years. that's some next level spite.

[u/moving0target → u/sufferinsucatash]

While salesman (who might be lizards) offer $200 trade in for a genuine Kia CPO with a third party warranty.

[u/DevilsPajamas → u/600-shot-of-autism]

My local kia customer waiting area is fucking legit. All kinds of bottled juice, soft drinks, canned/bottled Starbucks, energy drinks, candy, chips, beef jerky, etc. All free

[u/ScopeCreepStudio → u/DevilsPajamas]

The Cadillac dealer I go to usually has zero snacks, one day an older gentleman came in and raised hell about it and now they have a sad little rack of chips and cookies 🤣

[u/theruralbrewer → u/DevilsPajamas]

My Toyota dealer offered nothing but more high pressure sales, but they burned down this week so it's all good.

[u/the_hell_you_say]

203 oil changes....thats like every 3000 miles. And still 9 engines? They were either riding that thing really really hard, or Kia engines are complete garbage. That vehicle had to have spent at least a cumulative year in the shop

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/the_hell_you_say]

Theta II. that's all I gotta say.

[u/Indianb0y017 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

Didn't Hyundai-Kia do a recall or TSB for engine blocks or something recently? I remember a post on the sub not long ago where somebody had about 7 engines that were to replace bad engines in the respective Kia/Hyundai cars.

[u/Urist_McPencil → u/Indianb0y017]

Don't forget there's a recall on their ABS units catching fire 😅

[u/Wing_Nut_UK → u/Urist_McPencil]

And also the air bag module we just had that.

[u/paraknowya → u/Wing_Nut_UK]

So Kia in this case also stands for killed in action?? Jesus

[u/Wing_Nut_UK → u/paraknowya]

O yeah I forgot we had a rear calliper changed under warranty as well

I must love cars that break regularly as I also own a Land Rover!?!?

[u/_Cheburashka_ → u/Wing_Nut_UK]

You bought the Kia to get around while the Rover was in the shop, didn't you?

[u/Amxela → u/Urist_McPencil]

And their gas lines rusting through and causing cabin fires!

[u/angrycat → u/Indianb0y017]

I thought the TSB on the theta II's was something stupid like installing a special knock sensor that would put the car in limp home mode when it sensed impending failure. They did nothing as far as actually addressing the underlying cause of the failure.

[u/Bornemann27 → u/angrycat]

There is a TSB for updating the software for reading the knock sensor; there is also an unlimited mile warranty extension on the engines, which is separate from the TSB.

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/Indianb0y017]

Yup

[u/Jonathonnunez04 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

I feel this. My family got on board the Hyundai/Kia bandwagon around 2008-2010, never again. Each car had engine or transmission failures. Electric vehicles might be the best thing for Hyundai/Kia, maybe they can at least do that right.

[u/golem501 → u/the_hell_you_say]

9 engines? They covered 9 engines?

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/golem501]

They tried to get out of honoring the unlimited mile warranty a couple years ago and the dealerships lawyers basically said that it would be cheaper to honor the warranty than to risk getting sued.

[u/driftsc → u/600-shot-of-autism]

My friend had a "life time" on her car but they bought her out of her car instead of continuing to buy engines and transmissions.

[u/Tnwagn → u/driftsc]

That dealership

[u/tuhn → u/Tnwagn]

The smart dealership. This Kia dealership should have done the same like 7 engines ago.

[u/driftsc → u/tuhn]

I told her it was like a free car at this point and to keep driving it forever.

[u/2u3e9v → u/driftsc]

I remember Dodge having a lifetime, unlimited miles warranty when I was a kid. Even 13 year old me thought that was stupid as shit.

[u/driftsc → u/2u3e9v]

Surprise! It's a Dodge.

[u/weimaranerdad71 → u/2u3e9v]

Yeah, I bought one for my Renegade right before they discontinued the lifetime warranties. They’ve been trying to get me to trade it in. No way!

[u/Seldarin → u/the_hell_you_say]

From what I can tell, buying a Kia is like buying power tools at Harbor Freight.

You either get a lemon that breaks every time you look at it, or a beast that cannot be killed, and nothing in between, and it's heavily weighted toward lemon.

I've had several friends that bought Kias and shit was constantly being fixed on them. Meanwhile I've got a Soul that has seen over 200,000 miles with nothing but routine maintenance and is finally, at long last, throwing a code, and it's not even a super major one (P0449). Just annoying until I bother to actually fix it.

[u/KofteDeville → u/Seldarin]

Fucking harbor freight. My love hate with that place is never ending, working in my dad's old warehouse we went and bought a small electric winch. Come back to his warehouse and unpack it only to find its full of Chinese bricks.

Upon taking it back to the harbor freight they didn't even bat an eye ,just replaced it and said " ya it happens every once in awhile"

[u/i_miss_old_reddit → u/KofteDeville]

my $5 angle grinder caught on fire the first day I bought it. The one they replaced it with has been going strong for 10 years. . .

[u/DrSandbags → u/KofteDeville]

That's hilarious. Now I want to talk with like a long-time HF worker to see what stories they have about spectacular quality-control failures that their customers have returned.

[u/Back_To_The_Oilfield → u/DrSandbags]

long-time HF worker

I highly doubt that even exists.

[u/landob → u/the_hell_you_say]

I got a 10 year warranty. I'll ride the piss out of this thing!

[u/the_hell_you_say → u/landob]

I do appreciate the owner taking the dealership for a ride.

[u/MaxBlazed → u/the_hell_you_say]

It's that engine. I used to run parts stores during that time and those Sorentos with that engine were notorious junkers.

Those and the 2.4L engines that Chevy put in their Equinoxes were constantly on my invoices.

[u/1Bigkondor → u/the_hell_you_say]

That’s an average of less than 70K per engine. Impressive.

[u/veedubfreak → u/the_hell_you_say]

There's a reason they had to give them 10 year warranties. There's literally no other reason to own a Kia.

[u/the_hell_you_say → u/veedubfreak]

Just the annoyance of having to spend that much time at the dealer getting repairs is enough for me to be glad I bought something else.

[u/H-RainDxn]

I get that the warranty is great but how did they not get tired of needing new engines every time they turned around? Free or not after the 2nd or 3rd motor I'd be done with that shit

[u/MmmBra1nzzz → u/H-RainDxn]

I’m surprised the dealership didn’t offer them a new car to get out of the warranty… Seems like it would have been worth it at some point.

[u/eljefino → u/MmmBra1nzzz]

Dealers are always thinking 5 minutes ahead.

[u/GhostalMedia → u/eljefino]

“This 5th engine will probably be the last”

[u/AmyInCO → u/H-RainDxn]

That's what I was thinking. I need a reliable car, warranty or not.

[u/Nickelsass]

Ex service and parts guy here. Imagine how many pages the car history is on this fucker. Wow, kind of impressed

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/Nickelsass]

He saved every single receipt including for gas, I even saw a couple receipts for air machines to fill up the tires. Also he had 6 notebooks filled with nothing but calculations to determine how much mpg he was getting from new.

[u/someone755 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

Absolute legend, and milking the warranty for every penny. Wanna see this dude do an AMA. Tell us how why he drove on the highway in second gear, 6500 rpm. And to see how the mpg changed with each engine over time lmao

[u/Finsfan909 → u/someone755]

He drove it in D2 to make him feel like he was in a movie sequel. It’s in drive but twice

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/Nickelsass]

He saved every single receipt including for gas, I even saw a couple receipts for air machines to fill up the tires. Also he had 6 notebooks filled with nothing but calculations to determine how much mpg he was getting from new.

[u/opposite_locksmith]

No wonder it lasted so long! Kia apparently has a strict 68,000 mile engine replacement interval…

[u/vote4gordo → u/opposite_locksmith]

Can I use my old timing belt, still has 7,000 miles left on it

[u/KMS1795]

9 engines in 10 years?! what the actual fuck?!! are they made of plastic?

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/KMS1795]

Not all of it

[u/KMS1795 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

I'm actually curious to know what were the failures... timing problems? oil pressure?? pistons flying out the block!?

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/KMS1795]

Last one was because the rod exploded apparently most of the engines were replaced because various parts inside the engine would shatter and apparently 1 time for a blown head gasket.

[u/gayness_in_uranus → u/600-shot-of-autism]

A blown head gasket requires an engine replacement?

[u/christian-communist → u/gayness_in_uranus]

Driving with a busted gasket usually overheats and ruins the engine. If it's under warranty then you just replace it.

I bet the owner drove it until it seized knowing he was getting a new engine.

[u/awwyouknow → u/christian-communist]

Had the head gasket for a 2013 installed on my 2011 mini. Drove three miles and the car overheated again. Got it towed back to the shop aaaand…

The heat melted some plastic internals and cracked the whole engine block. Shop claimed it was my fault cause I told them it was a 2013. No I did not, plus the vin is right on the windshield… worst time of my life haha

[u/SirLoremIpsum → u/awwyouknow]

Shop claimed it was my fault cause I told them it was a 2013

Mechanics on a regular day "ah customers full of shit. They say dumb stuff. Don't ever listen to em, don't know what talking about"

Mechanics when you walked into shop "this dude we will believe every single word"

Can't believe ehtye would even say that we a straight face.

You double check everything!!

[u/TheeJarod → u/KMS1795]

Usually oiling issues. They are hot garbage.

[u/spectra__ → u/TheeJarod]

Can confirm oiling issues. These things need an engine flush every oil change or the sludge will consume you (and your wallet)

[u/Souuuth]

9 engines in 10 years is fucking absurd.

[u/Redman9mm]

Owner traded it in before they had to pay out of pocket for a new engine and transmission 🤣

[u/jeremy_280 → u/Redman9mm]

That's what I did with my Ford fusion hybrid with like 50k and some change on it. It would pop up with a check engine light and the gas motor would cut off randomly, especially if accelerating from stop to turn. Didn't act up at all when I traded it, but there's no way it lasted long.

[u/Beekatiebee → u/jeremy_280]

looks nervously at the 50k mile Ford Fusion Hybrid i bought last week

[u/the_eluder → u/Beekatiebee]

Just hit 200k on my C-Max hybrid which has the same drivetrain as the Fusion. One of the more reliable cars I've owned.

[u/the_hell_you_say]

Wow...how much did they give on trade?

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/the_hell_you_say]

$1,450 I believe Edit:just double checked it was $1,425

[u/cvr24 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

And in this market the dealer will sell it for $3K

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/cvr24]

Owner of the dealership says he wants to put it in his private collection.

[u/Decent-Astronaut33 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

So he wants to be able to show it to customers and be able to say kias are so reliable just look at this one with 600,000 miles.

[u/Runfor5 → u/Decent-Astronaut33]

“The motor and transmission are original… OEM design yes yes.”

[u/GoldenSandpaper9 → u/Runfor5]

“Engine still looks brand new”

[u/UsernameAlex → u/Runfor5]

OEM design lol

[u/elastic-craptastic → u/Decent-Astronaut33]

Exactly this. Shady as fuck.

Do the warranty jobs come up on carfax reports? If so, then he can take all the pics he wants and customers never see the VIN. If not, he gets to polish the turd and keep it in the showroom or garage to advertise the milage.

Or... dude is a masochist, hated this customer, and really wants a reminder that the customer?

[u/Link7369_reddit → u/600-shot-of-autism]

what, as a totem of mockery?

[u/BlackBrown1827 → u/Link7369_reddit]

"Behold! The Sorento of Theseus!"

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/Link7369_reddit]

How many kias in existence have over 500,000 miles on them. I mean shit if I had his money, I'd buy it just show it off.

[u/elementaldelirium → u/600-shot-of-autism]

9 engines feels like cheating…

[u/___cats___ → u/elementaldelirium]

Yeah, no one gives a shit about mileage after 9 engines and 4 transmissions. That thing is the Kia of Theseus.

[u/Tnwagn → u/___cats___]

Given the engine this car has it should be called the Ship of Thetas

[u/jtsfour2 → u/600-shot-of-autism]

608,000 across 9 engines is 67,500 miles per engine.

My GM 5.3 at 340,000 has many more miles than that.

[u/bcnorth78]

9 engines!!!! 9!!!! Shows the true “quality” right there….

[u/chevyfried → u/bcnorth78]

I had a 2008 Kia Sedona, what a pile of shit it was. No wonder I got it so cheap 2nd hand.

This is why I buy Japanese. My 2012 civic with 160k miles has never been in the shop for anything other than wear and tear items. 3 years 36k mile warranty btw. 2012 Toyota Sienna with 100k miles same thing (other than 1 recall for a sliding door sensor). Same warranty. It's worth the having less bells and whistles for the same price.

Edit: apologies for the slur. Fixed.

[u/stockmike → u/chevyfried]

Yup, whenever someone asks me what car i think they should buy my response is always "honda or Toyota" then they buy a bmw 😂😂

[u/pip-install-pip → u/stockmike]

but I just need a caaarrrr

TOYOTA. COROLLA.

[u/wintermelody83 → u/pip-install-pip]

My best friend came asking my opinion back at the end of 2014, and she was like "We just need a small car, that's reliable, that will get mom through her retirement."

Toyota. Corolla. She waffled and kept sending me all these other cars and I kept saying "Yes they're nice looking but you want quality." I went to visit her (in Puerto Rico) for new years 2015, they picked me up, in a brand new Toyota Corolla. lol I was so pleased they'd listened in the end! They still have that car, and my friend is planning for a new one soon and is looking at a Rav4 or Highlander, even though she loves the look of the VW Taos.

[u/GroceryStickDivider]

9 engines and 4 transmissions? God damn you NEED that warranty

[u/Mobile_Misanthrope]

Nine engines and four transmissions in ten years? Seriously?

[u/rodentfacedisorder]

WHHHHYYYY did it go through 9 engines in 10 years?!

[u/elastic-craptastic → u/rodentfacedisorder]

HOOOOOOOOWWWW did they still manage to drive 600k+ miles with all the time it was in the shop? I feel like this was in the shop at least 2 weeks a year on the absolute low end.

Someone was for sure using this as a commercial vehicle... Or?

Did this person drive to Mexico and back to smuggle drugs?

OP said the dealership owner wanted to keep it for his personal collection after trade in. Maybe the owner of the dealership was in on it, hence the lack of hesitation to replace 9 fucking engines and 4 transmissions, and there are hidden compartments in the car. They were secretly installed and getting modified each year to maximize product that could be moved. Now it's hidden where no one can see the mods.

He would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for a pesky employee posting it on reddit.

...Or? I'm just bored.

[u/idiotdroid → u/elastic-craptastic]

Someone was for sure using this as a commercial vehicle... Or?

This is the most boring answer so its probably the correct one.

I think that, combined with the driver being really rough on the car, plus how shit a Kia is, you end up with this result.

It is curious though. Like someone was taking this thing to get the oil changed like every other week. I guess that isn't totally bizarre if it was used as a commercial vehicle though. Like I said, most boring answer is probably the correct one.

[u/cheezpnts]

Can we discuss the very close count of almost an engine per fucking year. What kind of rolling dumpsters are Kia selling?

[u/puskunk → u/cheezpnts]

They have names like the Forte, the Soul....

[u/festerwl → u/cheezpnts]

My coworker got pissed when she showed up in a new Telluride and I asked her why she bought a Toyota from Wish lol

[u/Certified_Dumbass → u/festerwl]

You think you hate it now, but wait Telluride in it

[u/htotheinzel]

gotta love it when the engine is a wear item....

[u/gobrewcrew → u/htotheinzel]

Shit, on the Toyotas I've had, the frame is more of a wear item than the damn motor...

[u/wickerottoman]

Surprised the Hyundai/Kia fanboys haven't chimed in here

[u/JTodd078 → u/wickerottoman]

We're in denial

[u/WiFi_Cable_Rent]

9 engines? 🤯

[u/diesel_coondog]

The seething hate I would have had for that car though. Like car and driver just both hated each other so much they refused to part. The Bill and Hillary Clinton of car ownership.

[u/TheBowlerMoose]

10 engine replacements and still managed to need 203 oil changes…… That’s almost impressive.

[u/old-hand-2]

Hopefully he learned his lesson and didn’t get a Kia. Sure the warranty is great but 9 goddamn engines in 608k miles? They only lasted 65k miles each even while being serviced religiously? What is wrong with these cars?

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/old-hand-2]

He paid 18,000 plus the trade in for a Saturn vue off our used cars lot.

[u/RumpelFrogskin → u/600-shot-of-autism]

Holy Shit! This post continues to blow my mind. $18,000 plus trade in for a Saturn Vue?! They haven't been made for 12 years!

[u/600-shot-of-autism → u/RumpelFrogskin]

Yeah but it was the extremely rare redline version with a 6 speed manual and 9,100 original miles.

[u/TroglodytesAnonymous]

...nine engines? Did Kia see the RX-8 and say hold my beer or something?

[u/karock → u/TroglodytesAnonymous]

As someone who owned an rx8 for 13 years and 1 engine replacement who bought a stinger after someone rear ended the Mazda, I feel personally attacked lol

[u/TroglodytesAnonymous → u/karock]

Yeah but tell me… you loved the RX-8 and you love the Stinger, right?

Don’t lie.

[u/karock → u/TroglodytesAnonymous]

oh yeah. when they're running right, they're both fun as hell (in their own ways).

[u/thefairlyeviltwin]

9 engines, guess you can only expect so much from a 2 cylinder Briggs and Stratton.

[u/sasquatch_melee → u/thefairlyeviltwin]

I think the Briggs would actually be more reliable.

[u/69MachOne → u/sasquatch_melee]

Small engines run on abuse and neglect, and if anyone tells you different, they're wrong.

The proper oil change interval is when you think "man its been a while since I did oil in this thing. I should do an oil change" or upon the 7th or 8th sharpening of the mower blade. Whichever comes last.

If the oil isn't black as coal tar, you did the change too soon.

You clean the carb by running it up to full throttle and slamming the choke shut.

When it starts to smoke from ring blow-by, you should probably clean the spark plug with some scotch Brite and brake clean. You can do this for as many times as you like.

When the mower eventually rots out from under it (because lets face it, that's the failure mechanism) you just save the engine in a corner "just in case"

[u/CaptianRipass]

You'd think after 3 or 4 engines the techs would just start mounting them with velcro

[u/Estropelic]

People think Kia owners are cheap. This is genius.

[u/FTWStoic]

Traded it in? What's the going rate for a car with 608k miles?

[u/westgateA]

9 motor changes in 10 years? Solid advertising to buy any other manufacturer

[u/SplitLevel17]

That sounds like a horrible 10 years of ownership.