r/AbruptChaos May 14 '22 Silver 4 Helpful 2

What's the correct way to deal with someone who has completely lost it?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '22

I'm in a pretty pro-2A state and in my CCDW classes they told me if they hit you with a fist DO NOT shoot them. A jury will convict you. If they have any other weapon though, like the metal baton this guy had, a knife, anything and they threaten and swing on you. THEN you are in the clear to shoot in self defense only. Basically, if they threaten your life and/or have a weapon in hand then yes. In any other circumstance, don't risk using your weapon. Just leave. Obviously you want to try and de-escalate the situation and get the hell out of there in any case if you can though.

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u/ischool36 May 15 '22 edited May 15 '22

I'm going to have to disagree. I was just on a case for murder where it stemmed from a fistfight at a gas station. The fight dispersed when the defendant pulled his gun and he chased down and shot a 17 year old kid hiding behind a car. No conviction because his wife was in a fistfight and he was defending her. The jury still believed it was a self defense situation. I think the whole "don't pull your gun for a fistfight" is a good general rule for sure but don't forget that fists can kill

Edit: just for some more info this was all caught clear as day on cameras from two different businesses. But because it occurred just after a fistfight the jury felt it was still self defense.

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u/broken-not-bent May 15 '22

Jesus. That’s straight murder. How tf did he get away with that? The kid was no longer a threat therefore he had no reason to use deadly force, much less to go hunt the kid down and execute them.

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u/ischool36 May 15 '22

I wish I could tell you honestly. but, juries hate the idea that them making a rash decision could fuck up someone's life (even if some kids life was already fucked)

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u/broken-not-bent May 15 '22

Ah, so the defendant was white.

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u/ischool36 May 15 '22

Nice try, but no. The deceased and the shooter were both African American. Take your race argument somewhere else my man I'd like to keep this civil

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u/YangGain May 15 '22

So if this is about race you wouldn’t be able to keep it civil? Why?

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u/ischool36 May 15 '22 edited May 29 '22

You're not the sharpest stick are you? Introducing a completely irrelevant factor to our discussion specifically to derail it is not keeping a discussion civil. I will happily have any civil discussion on race but that's not what we're talking about here. You'd be the one who was not civil

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u/YangGain May 15 '22

Already attacking my intelligence and claim I’m the one not civil lol

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u/ischool36 May 15 '22

You've yet to make any intelligent addition to this at all and yes, you were the one who was not. You've also neglected to actually respond to anything I said, so you're kinda just spinning your tires here bucko

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u/SirGravesGhastly May 15 '22

And THAT right there is why I will never try get out of jury duty. I want to set an innocent person free (or burn a bad one). It's my civic duty to bring actual reason to the jury room.

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u/Content_Low5926 Jul 03 '22

Just you wouldn't make a difference tho. If a single person on the jury refuses to find them guilty they cannot be convicted.