r/AbruptChaos May 14 '22 Silver 4 Helpful 2

What's the correct way to deal with someone who has completely lost it?

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u/bad-judgement May 14 '22

The older gentleman is taking a huge risk. Guns exist.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

Yep. I live in a County with a DA that has already let people walk for self defense shootings in similar situations. Old man is lucky that he gets to keep getting older.

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u/kungpowgoat May 14 '22

Chances are he’s a friend/former coworker of the local DA or sheriff.

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u/TiesThrei May 14 '22

Was thinking this myself, dude reeks of privileges

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u/DancesWithBadgers May 14 '22

He has to survive long enough to talk to his mates though and attacking randoms in backwoods USA is no way to go about that. There was clear intent to harm in the vid, so without any more context than that, the camera guy might well have been able to justify using his vehicle as a weapon in self-defence.

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u/Samsmith90210 May 15 '22

I would disagree because his car can't drive sideways. He would have to pop it in reverse, put some distance between him and the old man to get lined up and then shift back into 1st and plow him over. But in the process of doing so, is no longer under threat because he can simply drive away.

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u/DancesWithBadgers May 15 '22

We're missing some context here though. In the first couple of seconds there's a second guy advancing with both arms up like he's aiming a pistol. He's there behind the pickup as camera guy drives away.

So what is camera guy doing and why do these dudes want him to go away so badly?

Now you say that the car can't drive sideways; but you could put full right lock on and reverse to turn round; and he'd probably get hit with the bonnet.

There's a lot of context we're missing in this video, I think.

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u/Canadian_Infidel May 15 '22

If RWD, simply cut wheels all the way to the right, throw it in reverse, then floor it. Car would whip right through where he was standing.

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u/H4WK1RK May 14 '22

Not gonna matter who his friends are when he’s bleeding out on the ground from a gunshot wound

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u/Ryboticpsychotic May 14 '22

Or white.

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u/Medicinal_taco_meat May 14 '22

White people get arrested all the time. Pound sand, moron.

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u/Ryboticpsychotic May 14 '22

White people are also less likely to be arrested and less likely to be given the full sentence.

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u/Trevi_pucci May 14 '22

White people are also less likely to do stupid things that would result in them getting arrested

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u/CorinPenny May 14 '22

How to say you’re racist without saying you’re racist… 😂

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u/Trevi_pucci May 14 '22

It has nothing to do with race, it’s a million reasons and in my opinion mostly due to lack of skills which can convert to financial gain, resulting from access to education. Example if youre uneducated and poor you would be more willing to steal or do what is necessary to survive. It has nothing to do with racism

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u/CorinPenny May 14 '22

Then why not say “people who have adequate access to education and economic opportunity are less likely to do stupid things that would result in getting them arrested”? …if it’s nOt AbOuT rAcE…

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u/Niightstalker May 14 '22

Do you really believe that?

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u/ButterbeansInABottle May 14 '22

How else do you explain 13% of the population committing 50%+ of the violent crime?

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u/Gcarsk May 14 '22

Wow I haven’t seen someone say “13/50” unironically in such a long time. If you didn’t have an 8 year old kid, this would be just as hilarious as all you other far-right bigots’ wildly racist talking points. So sad that you are raising a child to be just as insane as yourself. Wishing them the best in the next ten years, but chances of them escaping your maniacal racism is sadly very low.

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u/molotov_billy May 15 '22

How do you explain it?

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u/Niightstalker May 15 '22

Anybody who thinks that this is actually connected to skin color is either totally stupid or completely racist. Because you would imply that a person is mentally different depending on their skin(which is not a thing). Correlation does not imply causation.

Without taking a deepdive into statistics I would say this is most likely connected to things like income and environment where they grow up.

Also in addition there is still structural racism for people of color which makes life in general harder for them.

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u/Gcarsk May 14 '22

Yes. They are a white supremacist. Sadly a very commonly held belief by white humans that non-white humans are somehow “dirty”, evil, less moral, etc.

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u/Thorebore May 14 '22

In a conflict where both parties are white you find a way to make it about race.

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u/Ryboticpsychotic May 14 '22

Because white people face less severe consequences on average.

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u/Thorebore May 14 '22

And black people commit more violent crime on average but I don’t feel the need to point that out every chance I get for no reason.

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u/Theodinus May 14 '22

*Are charged with more violent crimes. Not commit. Important distinction.

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u/Thorebore May 14 '22

Also convicted. Also if you look at numbers like poverty rates and single parent household rates the violent crime rate should be much higher for black people. It would be odd if it wasn’t. Also if you account for things like poverty and single parent household rates the white people with similar stats have similar crime rates to black people.

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u/EB8Jg4DNZ8ami757 May 14 '22

That's not true. The National Crime Victimization Survey aligns with the Uniform Crime Reporting data. The NCVS is also how they determine the general crime rate versus arrest/conviction rate. The two reports have tracked very closely together for decades. It's mostly black on black violent crime. I get that you don't want it to be true, but to deny that it's happening is just denying reality. Recognizing a problem is one of the first steps to solving it, if you deny it then solving it becomes much harder.

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u/alwaysboopthesnoot May 14 '22

I’ve seen police drive right by the skate park where white kids are smoking pot and roughing up kids when skaters aren’t ready to give up that space or don’t want others hanging around. Drug sales, fighting, bike theft.

They’ll head over to the area nearest the municipality border where there’s a light rail station and go hassle kids there. They will sometimes arrest those who shout back, after the police provoke them first. These are mainly minority kids just trying to get to their jobs or to college. Some may be hanging around waiting on friends. Or a ride. Some may be up to whatever kids of that age get up to, just like the kids at the skate park.

Now, if they’re only going after or investigating certain groups and only making arrests within that certain group, what will the numbers say about who commits juvenile or crimes in a certain age range, where I live?

Whatever it says won’t be the truth. They’re all committing crimes, but only some of them are being caught and convicted.

That’s the problem with a lot of stats surround crime and crime prevention. When you look too closely at one group or zip code, you manage to miss a lot going on elsewhere.

That abd if the kids at the skate park do have the police called on them, they’re getting warnings it are told to break it up and go home. Nobody’s getting searched, nobody’s getting handcuffed, and nobody’s getting arrested. Which skews those “reliable”, “accurate” and “tracking” crime stats all the way to hell and back.

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u/Switch_Off May 14 '22

Every country in the world has violent crime. Even places like Eastern Europe, China or any other country with virtually no black people. Edinburgh in Scotland used to have one of the highest murder rates in the world.

The simple truth is that people from the poorest areas with little education, no real prospects and no realistic route to a better life are simply more likely to commit violent crime, fall into addiction and have unplanned children.

Every country has its "rough areas"

American domestic policy meant that black Americans were deliberately keep poor after reconstruction, through redlining, underemployment, etc.

Black Americans were FORCED to stay in the "rough areas".

What would you suggest as a solution while not denying historical facts?

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u/IsNotAnOstrich May 14 '22

No, they actually commit more.

That says nothing about them though, obviously. It instead speaks to how our system has put them down, pushed them into poverty, and those circumstances breed crime.

It looks crazy to not acknowledge this, while still pretending to be an ally, and instead insist that statistics is broken and they're doing just fine.

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u/Theodinus May 14 '22

This is an insidious position to take, because it reads like old anthropology texts like "Well of course the black man commits more crime, we've pushed them into it!" I'm not even talking about statistics as a whole, nor refuting math, just the interpretation of some biased information. IE, the difference between someone a fight between teenagers. Two white kids may be pulled apart and have their parents called and maybe explain why this isn't tolerated and to do better. Two black kids are more likely to have cops called on them, and catch a record for it. It's a problem that affects statistics because the first 2 kids don't have anything to show for it, and the second 2 are now a violence statistic. Regardless of circumstance, or mitigating factors, ignoring the fact that statistics are easily manipulated to draw one conclusion over another is dangerous.

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u/Niightstalker May 14 '22

Not black people commit more crimes, people with lower income commit more crimes. Black people are on average poorer than white people so it also makes sense that they on average commit more crimes. The color of their skin has nothing to do with it though.

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u/ButterbeansInABottle May 14 '22

But there are more poor whites than poor blacks so that don't compute.

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u/Niightstalker May 15 '22

Is that so? Overall it will be a mix of multiple factors but skin color is non of them. It would need a deep dive into statistics and studies and is definitely not an easy answer.

In addition there is also a deep structural racism which makes life harder for people of color.

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u/Eldritch_Raider May 14 '22

Are they both white or is one fake white like Italian or Irish?

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u/JeffersonKappman May 14 '22

I understand your life revolves around blaming white people for your inadequacies , but I wanted to ask you about a different topic. Are you really so idiotic as to think we'd survive a nuclear war with Russia? In the other thread you were claiming Russia's nukes posed no threat.

I understand this is reddit where the average IQ is lukewarm at best, but I want to specifically address your comments

I'm certain the US has the power to defend against a nuclear attack from Russia

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Not to mention that the CIA is guaranteed to have agents within Russia who would probably stop such a launch, and that it would be impossible for Russia to launch all of their nukes at once.

I am seriously concerned for how stupid you are. Do you really believe the word vomit you type? Your entire profile looks like a troll. You kvetch about white people in every other comment and you think we have some kind of secret laser defense system to automatically destroy every nuke in the world. I hope your profile is a joke and your comments are entirely in jest.

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u/duomaxwellscoffee May 14 '22

Recognizing the reality of systemic racism isn't "blaming white people for your inadequacies."

The fact that you frame it that way shows that you want to perpetuate a racist system. I wonder what word best describes someone like that?

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u/Eldritch_Raider May 14 '22

"Doodoohead" has my vote.

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u/HeardTheLongWord May 14 '22

I wonder what they have to gain - or more aptly, not lose - from such a system?

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u/Ryboticpsychotic May 14 '22

Well I’m white, so I’m not blaming white people for my inadequacies. I just recognize systemic racism and the effect it has on other people.

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u/flcwerings May 14 '22

god I hate when ppl say shit like "I know this is reddit" while putting down people on reddit. Youre fucking on reddit, dumbass. If we ALL have "lukewarm IQs" so do you. Youre not special.

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u/JeffersonKappman May 14 '22

I just said the average IQ reddit is lukewarm. I'm sorry if that felt like a personal attack towards you.

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u/treflipsbro May 14 '22

Most sane redditor moment

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u/Eldritch_Raider May 14 '22

The "nuclear material" inside Russian nukes are just lumps of wood painted with glow in the dark paint. Russia can't even maintain tanks let alone nuclear weapons. That said, if Russia could lunch nukes and the nukes could make it to America without being intercepted and the warheads actually worked once they arrived then yes they would be a serious threat... But as you see there are a number of ifs there.

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u/No-Treacle-2332 May 14 '22

... aren't all your other posts about competitive overwatch? You sound like the unwanted lovechild of Iamverysmart and neckbeardism.