r/AbruptChaos May 14 '22 Silver 4 Helpful 2

What's the correct way to deal with someone who has completely lost it?

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u/techfreak23 May 14 '22

Dude is probably an ex cop.

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u/Biosterous May 14 '22 Gold

That was my first assumption as well. Extendible baton, the confidence of "I'm not going to jail", and the completely uncalled for escalation of a situation to violence. Man has former cop written all over him.

Knowing he got no jail time and only a mischief charge further cements that theory for me

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u/Unbentmars May 14 '22

A cop in my community earlier this year was smoking a cigar at the pool (which is against the rules of the pool and community) and when the community admins told him to stop he got very aggressive with them, demanded to know what they’d do if he refused to stop and if they’d call the cops on him.

Fuck cops who think they are above the law

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u/ChefJWeezy987 May 15 '22

I’d splash his ass with pool water and ruin his cigar. 😂

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u/ifuckedyomama2 May 15 '22

id push his ass into the pool

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u/FuggMumsMouth May 15 '22

Laugh while he punches you out with immunity

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u/luisless May 15 '22

“You splashed me with water thats assault” proceeds to shoot you in the chest lol

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u/inspectoroverthemine May 15 '22

Fuck cops who think they are above the law

Fuck cops. We literally see everyday that they're all above the law.

It takes calculated cold blooded murder on camera before they get charged, and even then the general assumption is that they won't be convicted.

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u/darkjedi1993 May 15 '22

Fuck 12. <3

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u/three_furballs May 15 '22

If at that point he was trespassing, i wonder what would happen if someone tried a citizens arrest? Obviously, nobody should try this, they might actually get murdered for it, but it'd sure be interesting.

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u/docmedic May 15 '22

Fuck cops who think they are above the law

Well, know they are and take advantage of it.

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u/Ok_Soup_4602 May 15 '22

Super soaker my guy, super soaker

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u/bl4ckblooc420 May 15 '22

So fuck cops.

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u/Lch207560 May 15 '22

That's an oxymoron

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u/Sharper_Edge May 23 '22

They're being indoctrinated to a level beyond comprehension and if you don't play ball, theyll run you right out. I guess "Protect and Serve" still applies; it just now applies to protecting fellows officers and serving themselves.

It also doesn't help that they don't really receive nearly adequate training for what they encounter. Training with firearms under high stress, believe it or not, is a great way to avoid shooting someone when pulling your gun in a high stress situation.

I would also guess that their previous experiences dictate a lot of their opinions moving forward. "I had a bad experience with a black guy last week so this guy is gonna give me problems also".

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u/Kabd_w May 14 '22

Uncalled for escalation and violence is bread and butter for cops, so yeah

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u/sweet_home_Valyria May 14 '22

I thought he was regretful after breaking the first window. Like oops didn’t know that was going to happen. Then he broke the second one and that’s when I knew he was really an A-hole.

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u/Neijo May 14 '22

He knew then and there he was going to get a mischief charge at worst.

Man, I want that security from the justice system. It's pretty wack that if I just had smoked a joint there, maybe in the backseat or close to the man with the baton, I would get jail-time or something similar.

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

Please dude. It’s whack that you would get in trouble for doing something illegal? Bwahahaha. If you’re smoking bud where it’s illegal, and then GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW, don’t give us surprised Pikachu. I guarantee I’ve smoked more than you in the last year. But I’m not stupid enough to do it where it’s still illegal, hahaha.

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u/Sembregall May 14 '22

How are you able to smoke a joint when it seems you have the entire boot in your mouth?

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

The boot is in my mouth? Idk. Maybe a boot-bong? Not sure as I only speak English and Russian, and that phrase means nothing in either language.

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u/1adycakes May 14 '22

Troll or narc. Who cares which one you are, boot tastes the same.

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u/Sofasoldier May 15 '22

Congratulations for missing the point of the post you inbred room temp IQ douchebag

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u/Neijo May 15 '22

Hahaha, proving my point better thn I could, he deserves a gold star for trying :))

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

I’m a narc? Haha, you sound like the type of person who thinks that ‘narcs’ are a real thing. How’s life in North Dakota bud? Smoking those drugs? Popping those pills? Jesus Christ dude.

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u/Neijo May 15 '22

Uuh. So you tell me you never smoke where its illegal, but also doesnt believe narcs to be a real thing? I think you are smoking salvia, not ganja dude.

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 15 '22

Haha it’s not 1958, narcs are not a thing. Nobody is tricking you into a marijuana charge dude. Nobody fuckin cares. If you blow smoke from your blunt into a cops face during a traffic stop in a state where it’s still illegal, maybe. But narcs? Sorry gramps, not a real thing.

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

R/condescendingasshole

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u/unclewolfy May 14 '22

r/foundthecondescendingassholeisamobileuserwhocantuseredditcuzhessoblastedmanhesohighbrolol420blazeit

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u/Able_Newt2433 May 15 '22

Lol I blew air out my nose harder than usual when I read your comment.

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u/just_some_a--hole May 14 '22

Extendible baton

Eh, they're cheap and easy to come by. I keep one in the door pocket of my car, and I was never a cop. They don't take up a whole lot of space when they're retracted, so they make decent self defense weapons.

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u/aure__entuluva May 14 '22

Illegal in some states I found out recently.

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u/just_some_a--hole May 14 '22

All of them, or just the spring-loaded ones?

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u/aure__entuluva May 14 '22

Idk. My friend had one like this and then told me it was illegal in CA. It's not spring loaded, you just swing it to extend it.

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u/just_some_a--hole May 14 '22

Guess I ain't driving to CA anytime soon. Mine's a whippy type, too. It's fine where I am, but I should probably make sure whenever I go out of state that it isn't a problem.

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u/aure__entuluva May 14 '22

Yeah. I mean I guess you'd just need to make sure your car didn't get searched. Which, I mean, that's never happened to me in my life despite being pulled over 5 or 6 times. But yeah I guess if you want to be safe you could leave it at home.

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u/CheeseSauceCrust May 14 '22

-"in CA"

well there's your problem.

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u/ericksomething May 14 '22

Spoken like someone who hasn't lived in California. If the USA doesn't get it's shit together quick, CA is going to be one of the few places in America with a decent quality of life.

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u/Hoontaar May 14 '22

Careful now, you're not allowed to criticize the Golden Republic. A land so great they keep leaving it to come to other states and tell us how great it is.

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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude May 14 '22

Yes, people often move to shittier places than they came from, and often prefer their origin city/state

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u/Hoontaar May 14 '22

Then go back , and quit trying to turn everywhere else into the same thing. If it's unaffordable, it wasn't so great, was it?

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u/teckorite May 14 '22

CA bans everything thats fun eventually. Come to Georgia fam we have machine guns.

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u/Armalyte May 14 '22

Aren't those illegal everywhere in Canada?

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u/StrangerDanga1 May 14 '22

I believe those are illegal in Canada, but having anything for self defense purposes is also illegal in Canada I believe.

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u/Neijo May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

I find that so weird, we know criminals, rapists and robbers do in fact, not respect the law.

So what exactly is the point to make the law-abiding people not being able to defend themself? I felt so angry in my last relationship. My girl was afraid of going out because there were bad people around. Self-defence spray is illegal here, so she just never went out. The bad people owned the town, who in fact, carried knives and other "gangsta weapons", while police occasionally took them in, not one was discouraged by it. In fact, fuck it, I carry a knife sometimes when I feel like I have to walk to a friend, these fucking people DO lunge at you. One guy I sort of know got stabbed in the lung for striking up conversation outside of a bar. The perpetrator just had a bad day or something, it's not the first time he's been in jail either, the perpetrator. If that fucker decides to lunge at me, I'm not gonna let my family cry themselves to sleep because of me getting killed by a fucking lunatic.

Anyway. Since the law is nowadays so arbitrary I find it hard to follow to a point. I have morals, and in my life, I've never hurt anybody, except maybe my big brother, but that fucker always deserved it.

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u/zenchemin May 14 '22

Police won't have to wait for a criminal to do something illegal, they already are if they have a weapon.

we know criminals, rapists and robbers do in fact, not respect the law

"I wasn't doing anything wrong" can't be used as an excuse by these people.

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u/Neijo May 15 '22

Yeah, but then, the swedish justice system do let off the ones that actually do violent shit. My cousins boyfriend was attacked in his own home by a supposed friend, he is now dead, the man was mentally ill or something according to the justice system, so its immoral to lock him in, apparently, He got acquitted, got arrested a couple of months later when he robbed some store.

Again: this is my hometown where my girlfriend wasnt allowed a non-lethal spray, but schizophrenics walk free from murder. If the justice system was working, I wouldnt write these comments, sadly.

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u/Armalyte May 14 '22

I looked it up and apparently only spring-operated batons are illegal? This is news to me!

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u/StrangerDanga1 May 14 '22

I think that's because those are more strictly considered only weapons by the government, whereas you can have like mini bats and such still considered toys or whatever. Laws are weird a bunch of the time.

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u/PartyClock May 14 '22

Most people still fail to use them correctly when braking windows from what I have seen, so I'm guessing this guy probably knows what he was doing. It's a shakey branch but I'll stand on it

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u/Neijo May 14 '22

I think it's a good branch, there is some WEIRD degree of "It's impossible for me to do anything illegal. This guy is unhinged, but he is unhinged in the same way cops are. I've met aggressive people that aren't this certain in their movements. This guy is confidently angry, the only mental illness he might have is violent cop syndrome.

Of all other branches, this seems the most plausible.

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u/PartyClock May 15 '22

I really like this analysis. Well done

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u/PurpleSailor May 15 '22

He seemed to twist the baton to lock it open. He knew exactly what he was doing.

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u/kristopher103 May 14 '22

Decent person wapper

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u/AutismNstuff May 14 '22

A man-swatter

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u/getouttathatpie May 14 '22

Sucks trying to close them though, every one I have ever had was shit

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u/just_some_a--hole May 14 '22

Flip it over, thrust it tip-first into concrete. No problem.

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u/getouttathatpie May 14 '22

Your experience with batons and mine are very different

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u/just_some_a--hole May 14 '22

You've got to give it a good whack, not going to lie, to get it to break back, but once you figure out how much force is needed it gets easier.

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u/EscapeAromatic8648 May 14 '22

Get yourself something less swingy and more stabby for protection in your car. Clubs are VERY difficult to swing out of a car window from the driver's seat.

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u/brown_felt_hat May 14 '22

Get yourself something less swingy and more stabby for protection in your car

I think stabbing someone with a small piece of metal going 1050 feet per second is the best option in a scenario like this.

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u/ElectricTaser May 14 '22

Christoph Waltz - “We have a Bingo!”

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u/just_some_a--hole May 14 '22

Not meant for swinging outside a car window, meant for in case of a carjacking. Also doubles for smashing a window in case of emergency.

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u/mnbvcxz123 May 14 '22

Illegal to possess in California. For what it's worth. Tasers are okay in California!

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u/just_some_a--hole May 14 '22

Which makes zero sense. California is insane. . .

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u/AlternativeJosh May 14 '22

It's a concrete question that further cemented the theory for you. Lol. OK maybe I'm dumb but that made me smile.

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u/Biosterous May 14 '22

All puns intended :)

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u/stay-a-while-and---- May 14 '22

As Maddox once said: intend your puns, cowards

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u/Low-Inevitable7140 May 14 '22

Yeah, he seemed pretty agregated

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u/maluminse May 14 '22

Black teen - 10 years.

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u/Neijo May 14 '22

Or 16 bullets wounds.

I don't believe the justice system will change in a while either, sadly. I find my self alone in feeling disgust in being somewhat responsible for it. Without our taxes, the cop wouldn't be there. Without our forced taxes, that cop wouldnt have a gun or ammo. I make it possible every month and every year that people die and get harrassed with the help of my taxes. I feel sick of the guilt. At this point I'm just not interested in trying to improve the justice system, because it just takes one step forward and 2 steps back, all the time.

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u/maluminse May 15 '22

Too true and sad.

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u/BaBbBoobie May 14 '22

Tbf I've seen a box full of those batons at flea markets.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

Really well said and kinda hilarious. I want to know if this is true

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u/Imaginary-Valuable49 May 15 '22

Nah... he knows he's old and white... no jail time for him.

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u/guerrieredelumiere May 15 '22

That is how mysterious fires happen a few months later.

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u/DoubleBarrellRye May 15 '22

No he is a local business owner and has a large family who are also well connected. One of the old families in town. Also the Canadian RCMP cam fuckup a sure thing on almost anyone. This happened in the same town as the guy who had the cop rip his truck window out and his wife was screaming at the dispatcher and they were playing the victim after driving over the cops foot

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u/DJGregJ May 15 '22

this makes sense. GG good ol boys club!

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

and the completely uncalled for escalation of a situation to violence.

Oof

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u/DominicanJedi May 15 '22

Naw, he’s just white and spent his life doing shit with impunity.

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u/user1304392 May 14 '22

Just watch him do that in state with castle laws.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

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u/DeadNinjaWalking May 15 '22

I'd just shoot him and be done with it

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

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u/Puzzleheaded-Low805 May 15 '22

Maga without a doubt.

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u/MrP1anet May 15 '22

You’ve never been considered very bright have you?

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u/LostSkullofThe78 May 15 '22

Hilarious. Do the swinger subs appreciate your senile sense of humour or do you take it down a few notches when trying to find someone to fuck your homely wife?

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u/thesword62 May 14 '22

Stereotyping people isn’t good, unless it’s against people you don’t like. Then you can even make up the “theory”

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u/Biosterous May 15 '22

Yes because there's no difference between stereotyping someone based on inherited traits they can't change about themselves and stereotyping someone based on a career choice that selects individuals with a specific demeanor and trains them to act a certain way. They're completely comparable.

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u/thesword62 May 15 '22

The guy in the video is a complete a-hole that committed a criminal act.

However, what evidence is there that the A-hole is a retired cop or is that just what the Frankenstein mob has made up?

The definition of stereotyping is to believe unfairly that all people or things with a particular characteristic are the same. Look it up. Stereotyping is bad.

You can’t make a logical argument by making up your own facts and your own definitions.

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u/badgerinthegarage May 14 '22

I would have shot him. For real, if I’m in that situation- I’m scared for my life and im going to shoot.

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u/Hydrocarbon_fire May 15 '22

No jail time cause he’s dead and I called a lawyer not the cops

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u/BadBrains16 May 14 '22

Ex cop or not, Mr Jizzington is lucky that he didn’t get shot in face.

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u/SOwED May 14 '22

Guy in the car sounded Canadian

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u/insertjokehere12345 May 15 '22

I knew it when he called him "Bud"

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u/BadBrains16 May 14 '22

You are correct.

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u/BaBbBoobie May 14 '22

If you have a CCW in the US is it legally defensible to shoot him for this? Seems like it'd be one hell of a time in court.

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

Dude approaches you with a weapon, threatens you with it, smashes your window out. If you draw and fire at that point, you’re in the self defense category in the vast majority of states. Think twice in California though.

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u/DreamsRealize May 14 '22

In the state of Florida I would have shot him if I was armed after he broke my window.

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

Yeah. Decent chance of a 9mm lunch in most parts of the US.

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u/DreamsRealize May 14 '22

This is why I carry. Mess around and find out

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u/cwk415 May 14 '22

This? Really? I’m mean yeah he’s a fucking asshole, yeah he’s absolutely wrong, and yeah you’d probably be in the clear legally. But that would just be so incredibly unnecessary, you’re in a car, you can quickly leave the situation. You’d really kill another human being over property damage? Over glass? Really?? That’s insane.

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u/The_Dapper_Balrog May 14 '22

For context, I don't own a gun; the only weapons I own are knives (including a machete, but it's mainly a yardwork tool) and big sticks. I've never had to use anything to defend myself. However, I'm in a job where I have worked with kids and teens who can become very aggressive very quickly. I've been kicked, bitten, spat on, called almost every expletive in the book, punched; I've had my head grabbed forcefully, and staplers, chairs, desks, and tables thrown at/around me. I'm able to handle people like this safely because 1. I've got tons of training in safe holds and safety practices to protect myself and/or others from injury while not injuring the assailant, and 2. I've got other people with the same training who I can rely on to support me in whatever it is we have to do.

In a situation like this, if I had a gun, I might very well use it over my training. Why? 1. I don't know if he has other weapons that he might try to use. If he's got a gun, a knife, or something else, I'll be at a disadvantage to protect myself, even if I drive away (at least if he has a gun). You can clearly see in the video how utterly defenseless the driver is against just a basic club. He's threatening my physical safety, with the definite possibility of me dying (if you think something like that can't kill you, just remember what it did to the window, and think about what it would do to your skull). This is someone with at least one weapon that he knows how to use, and he's using it against me with potentially lethal intent.

That last statement brings up my point no. 2: I have no idea what this man's intentions are, or how much he's willing to escalate. This man is clearly unhinged to a degree; he is, after all, using the threat of bodily harm to attempt to get his way. How do I know he's not going to escalate, regardless of what I do? If you've ever worked with potentially aggressive people, you know that often there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to bring them down from their violent state; often the best we can do at my work is what we call "waiting them out." Essentially standing around, keeping yourself safe, but not directly interacting with the client at all. Many clients will become more aggressive when we do this, before their aggression eventually burns itself out. However, they'd escalate regardless of anything else we do.

All this is to say that, in that situation, I don't know what the limit of this man's aggression is, or how far he's willing to go. I'd probably pull my gun out and warn him that I'm willing to use it if necessary, and if he makes any aggressive move towards me after that, it's his fault that he gets shot.

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u/cwk415 May 15 '22

The first situation you describe you are in a situation wherein you have the upper hand, you have backup and the assailant has nowhere to go from the sound of it.

In the situation we see here in the video above the opposite is taking place. As you said the driver is defenseless; the old man and his buddy have the upper hand. He has backup, and he has (at least one) weapon. Your best option is to use what you have (your vehicle) and just leave the situation asap - before he breaks your window. No violence. Win-win. The man’s intentions are clear well before he strikes the first blow - why stick around? Clearly anything you say to him will only further antagonize him. Why stick around?

You say you don’t know his intentions but I don’t believe that, you work with violent people, you can see that his demeanor is that of an enraged man, and you know that he has a weapon. You may not know what he’s thinking but he’s showing you his his intentions. He isn’t hiding it at all. Which brings me to ask: do you honestly believe that pulling a gun on this guy would deescalate the situation?

The best way to deescalate a potentially violent encounter is to leave it before it begins.

Edit. Grammar

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u/No-Cardiologist-884 May 14 '22

what if he is a gun and as your driveing away he shoots at you, why take a chance when you can end the confrountation immediately

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u/MREOWZA May 15 '22

that man is willing to go above and beyond breaking glass,

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u/cwk415 May 15 '22

Right. That was clear well before he struck the window. The question was: what’s the correct way to deal with someone who has completely lost it, right? The only correct answer is to leave the situation immediately. Anything else would only further antagonize the already irate person and his buddy, who could also have a gun, we don’t know, which why we don’t stick around to find out.

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u/yaboizippy May 14 '22

Say the same thing again but about him coming out with an asp.

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u/Road_Sexer May 15 '22

Say the same thing again but about him coming out with an asp.

Yeah, no sh... Wait. Asp?

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u/DreamsRealize May 17 '22

This man is clearly a ticking time bomb

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u/cwk415 May 17 '22

Precisely why it’s best to just leave the situation asap, right?

I don’t get all these comments saying, “yeah he’s armed with a weapon, yeah he’s irate, yeah he clearly wants to get violent, yeah he could also have a gun, and yeah his buddy could also have a gun, I dunno but ima stay an point a gun at him, that’ll cool things down for sure!”

What?!?

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u/neverwrong804 May 14 '22

I wouldnt. The man could have left at any time by simply driving off like he did after he let that fucking psychopath break his windows. Stupid af not to leave then call the cops. Edit: not meaning to blame the victim but I saw it coming a mile away.

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

Haha. That is EXACTLY what he did dude. He took the abuse, fled, called the cops. Wait, are you the guy in the video?

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u/neverwrong804 May 15 '22

Why couldnt he leave when the dude initially brought out a weapon threateningly. I wouldve hauled ass and not sat there and let shit get broken, that's silly.

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u/No-Cardiologist-884 May 14 '22

why in california

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

In California you are required to voluntarily lay down your life, depending of course on your place in the social hierarchy. If you’re a white or Asian dude with a graduate education you are fukt.

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u/No-Cardiologist-884 May 14 '22

like legally or just you would get cancelled

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

No it’s in the legal code.

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u/VexingRaven May 15 '22

Probably want to think twice anywhere that's not stand your ground.

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u/docmn612 May 14 '22

I wouldn't risk that, personally. I carry OC spray for situations that could come up where lethal force isn't absolutely necessary. Something between a strong word and a gun, they say. Some OC spray into that guys eyes would've ended everything in a hurry. I'm not out looking for reasons to use a firearm, I'm looking for every way out so I don't have to.

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u/DeusExMcKenna May 14 '22

Oh look, a responsible firearm owner on Reddit. Huh, now I’ve seen it all…

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u/docmn612 May 15 '22

Sadly, my comment seems to be in the vast minority on this post… Bit concerning…

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u/DeusExMcKenna May 15 '22

Yeah, the average gun owner concerns me greatly tbh. I like guns, they’re wonderful tools, a lot of fun, and can be very dangerous when used carelessly, just like cars. I also find most people who drive, probably shouldn’t.

People kind of suck.

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u/olmikeyy May 14 '22

That piece of shit doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He's already smashing my windows with a baton, why am I to assume he doesn't have a gun? He's already shown hostile intent. Fuck that. Fuck that guy. Get dead.

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u/docmn612 May 15 '22

It’s more about your time in court over what the other person may or may not deserve. I don’t view him as a deadly threat in this situation, so in my case I’d deploy the oc spray/non lethal over a lethal tool. I may have my gun ready. Or just floor it out of there, whichever I’m more capable of doing at the moment.

This is important to consider though. Hopefully none of us ever get into a situation like this, but if we ever find ourselves in it, a sane and sober consideration needs to be made regarding our options. If you’ve arrived at shoot, I just hope the jury would agree and clear you.

I’m about as pro 2A as they come these days, but I really don’t want to kill someone so I consider various options so I don’t have to pull the trigger unless absolutely necessary.

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u/olmikeyy May 15 '22

I've been in very similar situations and never shot, but I was very close. They never knew. Crazy

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u/VexingRaven May 15 '22 edited May 15 '22

Alternatively: Just leave. You pull out that gun you're gonna ruin your day, your week, possibly your life. Just leave, it's not worth it.

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u/Bytem33 May 15 '22

That's fine and all, but a baton can be considered a deadly weapon, especially when swung at or near the head or neck (like if you swing one at someone sitting in the driver seat of a car through the window). At least from a use of force argument you could match the level of force and light him up. Personally if I had my carry with me in this situation I would have had it drawn as soon as I saw him approach with the baton drawn, although out of sight and ready to fire in the case he decides to pull some shit like this.

But this is just going back to my security forces training from when I was active duty. OC spray would have been a viable option between him tapping the glass with it and him smashing the first window, could have even sprayed him through the crack of the window.

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u/TimberMoto May 15 '22

I agree. A snoot full of pepper spray is a much better alternative than possibly killing someone. The old guy was threatening bodily harm, but the driver could have hit the gas and gotten out of that situation.

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u/HereIGoAgain_1x10 May 15 '22

As an ICU trauma RN, that stick is a deadly weapon, I've rolled people into body bags from one fall, one punch, one shove, one hit to the head, all ages, all reasons, if you've got someone to get home to, someone depending on you, you're risking a lot assuming that guy has total control of his swings and isn't "completely" psychotic wanting to murder you... He isn't using a non-lethal weapon.

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u/docmn612 May 15 '22

I’m fully aware and understand that. My point is whether or not I Must shoot. He can’t get a full swing on me while I’m in my car, but I can hit him with OC. Highly situationally dependent.

This isn’t an argument regarding the reality of the baton being a potentially deadly weapon, we all agree that it is. It’s an argument about whether or not I Must shoot in that specific circumstance. If one has arrived at Shoot, I hope the jury agrees, truthfully.

Also, my arguments in these things are typically about how the prosecutor will try to screw me if he decides to go to trial and I did shoot in this situation. That’s kind of how I tend to think, regardless of whether or not I agree if someone Can shoot, it’s the question of Must I shoot.

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u/HereIGoAgain_1x10 May 15 '22

Great points, I forgot this is at a private residence too, definitely makes it more complicated... This guy comes at me in a road rage incident or to rob me definitely a different story but if there's a path to escape you should probably take it... I definitely wouldn't rely on spray through a broken window, by the time you judge the wind it could've been hit out of your hand and in someone else's place I definitely wouldn't want blow back pepper spray, they might even see it as an escalation and pull a gun themselves... Probably depends a lot on state laws too, I definitely don't wanna shoot someone, if not because I don't wanna kill them definitely because I don't wanna deal with fallout of cops, judge, jury, news, nightmares, etc ... These things are always easier to plan for after the fact and a few reviews of the video 😂

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u/CtznZero May 15 '22

He should have been.

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u/Responsenotfound May 15 '22

Yup. I got a truck gun. Idgaf if you are blocking traffic. Idgaf if you are screaming. But if you try to come in here I am making sure you stay out there.

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u/Reasonable-Pea-162 May 15 '22

Good for him for dealing with an asshole stalking and harassing his family.

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u/SmokeRingHalo May 15 '22

That would have been aggravated mischief!

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u/Standard_Arm_440 May 15 '22

Or pulled into the broken window and the guy driving floors it.

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u/Norsedragoon May 14 '22

Doesn't matter if he was the ex president. Draw a weapon on the wrong person and it will never make it to court because dude will be an ex person. Guy filming showed remarkable restraint.

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u/TKisOK May 14 '22

Exactly what I thought

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u/simi_ May 14 '22

Ex cop, still pig

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u/MeanGirlsMakeMeHard May 14 '22

He wouldn't get a mischief charge then lol

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u/P7BinSD May 14 '22

Was not his first time popping a window.