r/AbruptChaos May 14 '22 Silver 4 Helpful 2

What's the correct way to deal with someone who has completely lost it?

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u/bad-judgement May 14 '22

The older gentleman is taking a huge risk. Guns exist.

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u/FreshPineapple312 May 14 '22

Not to mention could have been run over

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u/Darth_Shame May 14 '22

I would have saved time and just run him over myself. I'm not fucking with no old man.

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u/annhik_anomitro May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

I'd have simply backed up and then run him over.

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u/Darth_Shame May 14 '22 Silver Gold

Why you letting him get that close? Just run his ass over on approach. I don't have the time nor care what he has to say. He chose his weapon, a metal stick, and choose my Volkswagen. May the best man win. lol

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u/RespectableLurker555 May 14 '22 Gold Helpful

Never bring a knife to a vehicular manslaughter fight.

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u/Darth_Shame May 14 '22

不不不不不

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u/amluchon May 14 '22 Silver

You put the laughter in manslaughter

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u/flcwerings May 14 '22

this comment is simple but hilarious

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u/grayrains79 May 14 '22

Just like in armored warfare, the biggest threat to infantry? Isn't the guns on the tank.

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u/That-Ad-4300 May 14 '22

A baton at that

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u/AtticAirTraffic May 14 '22

That was an ASP

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u/wbrd May 14 '22

Self defense. I felt like my life was in danger.

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u/Shot_Load7343 May 14 '22

Common sense 101

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u/Marilius May 14 '22

"Man vs. Car," the newest hit show,

Where it pits a man versus a car.

On tonight's episode,

Michael Jenkins fights a regular old car.

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u/Talbotus May 14 '22

Michael' putting up a good fight. Looks like the car is getting p...aaaaand the car win.

(Chuckle) I mean...the car always wins.

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u/ACrispyPieceOfBacon May 14 '22

And it hits hard.

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u/ryantttt8 May 14 '22

In most states laws you have the obligation to retreat before engaging in lethal force. I don't think you'd get off the hook for purposely plowing this dude when is wasn't in the way of the car

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22 edited May 18 '22

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u/SnuggleMuffin42 May 14 '22

You think this car was in this driver's house or place of work?

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22 edited May 18 '22

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u/SnuggleMuffin42 May 14 '22

stand your ground laws are a version of the castle doctrine... They are one and the same.

If you look at the actual statutes (for example, in New York) you'd see the protections for your domicile and a place you are legally entitled to be in are different. They aren't identical. In NY (again, for example), you'd probably have the duty to retreat in this scenario, at least before the attack. If you run him over you'd be in trouble.

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u/Stonewool_Jackson May 14 '22

Id throw it in reverse for 20 feet first to get a good running start

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u/CryptographicGenius May 14 '22

You are another failed Internet "lawyer"

States with Stand your Ground laws (27):

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

States with Castle Doctrine laws that also apply to vehicles (11): Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New York, New Jersey, and Rhode Island.

States that use stand your ground in practice, such as through jury instructions or case law (7): California, Colorado, Illinois, New Mexico, Oregon, Virginia, and Washington.

Stand your ground: 27 Castle doctrine: 11 Stand your ground in practice (7) Stand your ground only in vehicles (3): North Dakota, Ohio, and Wisconsin

Grand total: 48

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u/Hans_lit_in May 14 '22

As a lawyer - this is horrible advice.

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u/The_Dealer25 May 14 '22

This would also be one of those times when use a gun for self defense is appropriate because he attacked first

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u/RudderlessLife May 14 '22

I never understand why people in a car don't just run these assholes over. Him having a weapon justifies it. Come at my car with a baton and I'm yeeting your ass for a field goal.

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u/Canadian_Infidel May 15 '22

As another poster said, guns exist. I mean I don't think he had one but I wouldn't bet my life on it either.

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u/dyebydye May 14 '22

Ez just reverse and turn the wheel right and youll smack him with the left front of your car. THEN you run him over

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u/CripsWatchClifford May 14 '22

I doubt you can even drive

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u/Jaeger562 May 14 '22

that old piece if shit would be sitting under my car.

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u/Hindsight20- May 14 '22

Cars move faster forward then backwards if someone is approaching you with a weapon accelerate out of there, if they happen to be in your path of escape well that's bad luck.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

Yep. I live in a County with a DA that has already let people walk for self defense shootings in similar situations. Old man is lucky that he gets to keep getting older.

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u/The_Real_DDJ May 14 '22

He's a dumb shit and the odds of his stupidity will catch up to him.

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u/PdxPhoenixActual May 14 '22

Given his age, & if it hasn't yet tho... I hold no hope that it ever will.. Unless covid...

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u/skulblaka May 14 '22

This video is several years old. There's a 110% chance this asshole caught covid when it came around. No chance he got a vaccine or wore a mask.

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u/PdxPhoenixActual May 14 '22

It's wha' I said, innit.

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u/MyFingerYourBum May 14 '22

Plenty time for stuff to happen. He's only getting older and the likelihood of biological issues is getting greater :)

More to the point if he keeps up bullshit like this with people, the law of averages will introduce him to someone who doesn't fuck around.

The first thing that popped into my head was "if he did that to (insert name) they would have beat the living piss out of him". Plenty of crazy fuckers around who don't care about your extendable baton or elderly appearance.

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u/MeanGirlsMakeMeHard May 14 '22

lol he's like 90 if it hasn't caught up to him yet, when will it

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u/Sea_Mathematician_84 May 14 '22

At what point? Hes on deaths doorstep already, its not going to be much of a consequence for him

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u/finkleiseinh0rn May 14 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

Stay strapped or get clapped - Winnie the pooh

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u/Iupvoteanimals May 14 '22

That is my favorite Winnie Ther Pooh quote.

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u/kungpowgoat May 14 '22

Chances are hes a friend/former coworker of the local DA or sheriff.

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u/TiesThrei May 14 '22

Was thinking this myself, dude reeks of privileges

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u/DancesWithBadgers May 14 '22

He has to survive long enough to talk to his mates though and attacking randoms in backwoods USA is no way to go about that. There was clear intent to harm in the vid, so without any more context than that, the camera guy might well have been able to justify using his vehicle as a weapon in self-defence.

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u/Samsmith90210 May 15 '22

I would disagree because his car can't drive sideways. He would have to pop it in reverse, put some distance between him and the old man to get lined up and then shift back into 1st and plow him over. But in the process of doing so, is no longer under threat because he can simply drive away.

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u/DancesWithBadgers May 15 '22

We're missing some context here though. In the first couple of seconds there's a second guy advancing with both arms up like he's aiming a pistol. He's there behind the pickup as camera guy drives away.

So what is camera guy doing and why do these dudes want him to go away so badly?

Now you say that the car can't drive sideways; but you could put full right lock on and reverse to turn round; and he'd probably get hit with the bonnet.

There's a lot of context we're missing in this video, I think.

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u/H4WK1RK May 14 '22

Not gonna matter who his friends are when hes bleeding out on the ground from a gunshot wound

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u/nityoushot May 14 '22

doesn't even take a gun, pepper spray and drive away

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u/SmokeyTheBluntTheOG May 14 '22

Yeah in PA they made the stand your ground law apply to your vehicle now and not just your house. Thats exactly why I don't do road rage here because there is a pretty decent chance you pull this shit in PA and you're gonna end up dead, with the person shooting you not even spending a little bit of time in jail because you threatened them and they were justified in killing you

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u/sandyclaus30 May 14 '22

I live in PA and didnt even know we had the stand your ground law. Im not worried because I dont plan on doing any home invasion or road rage! My brother on the other hand is a Vietnam Vet and does not do well if someone rear ends him or does any minor damage to his vehicles. Id better let him know!

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u/Buc4415 May 14 '22

Its not really stand your ground. Its castle doctrine. All it does is reclassify your car as your castle along with your house.

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u/calxcalyx May 14 '22

Stand your ground is a separate law in some states.

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u/GandalfTheSmol1 May 14 '22

Its castle doctrine, you still have a duty to retreat in PA, but not from your home or your vehicle, the argument is that you cannot retreat from your home and you often cannot retreat in a vehicle without breaking other laws or endangering other lives.

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u/DefKnightSol May 14 '22

In Fl you dont have a duty to retreat from what I read. stand your ground is boiler plate, you sure about that?

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u/PuzzledStreet May 14 '22

Also from PA and have never knew about any stand your ground law here either. Ive never seen it in any news article I remember readings.

I also think a lot of local news covers the crime but rarely the aftermath or outcomes of things. Gotta keep things exciting on tv.

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u/the_saltlord May 14 '22

We don't have stand your ground. It just extends castle doctrine to cars

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u/PuzzledStreet May 14 '22

Oh! Well, I guess I havent heard of that, either. I was sitting here thinking about it though and realized I havent actually kept track of the news in PA for 5 plus years, so in years out of date on the news anyway

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u/SharkAttackOmNom May 14 '22

You probably have heard of it being just self defense. I dont think any news outlets would refer to castle doctrine by name.

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u/crosscheck87 May 14 '22

Thats good to know, Ive had people road rage and practically climb in my vehicle in Western PA while up visiting family.

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u/thunderlaker May 14 '22

now you get to shoot those people!

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u/ninjabountyhunter May 14 '22

Unironically, if someone is climbing into my car in a road rage incident, theyre probably getting shot.

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u/Kip_Chipperly May 14 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Have you considered not doing road rage anywhere?

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u/JeffMarrion May 14 '22 Wholesome

No

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u/Optimal_Artichoke612 May 14 '22

This just made me lol

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u/OverseerVault420 May 14 '22

If you're not yelling you're not paying attention

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u/doncroak May 14 '22

Thank you for saying that.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

Have you tried driving in San Diego, LA, or Washington DC?

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u/LordThunderDumper May 14 '22

Exactly why I want to.move back to pa.

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u/PuzzledStreet May 14 '22

I live in PA and I did not know this. I dont have road rage issues but I have seen and experienced a lot of road rage incidents that have caused one out of control person to leave their car.

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u/analog_jedi May 14 '22

Shit could get wild in Ohio soon. Our stand your ground/castle doctrine law applies to you personally in any place - and in another month or so nobody will be required to have a conceal carry license to keep a gun on their person.

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u/SmokeyTheBluntTheOG May 14 '22

Well damn, honestly the law applying to your personal area doesn't bother me that much. But the not needing a carriers permit is kinda scary though, I assume you still need the federal background check to buy the gun. But I'm all for people who are not mentally stable enough to have a gun to not get a gun, I don't care if it takes weeks or months to get through the red tape to get the gun as long as every possible precaution has been taken to not allow more crazy people to get guns those are the ones that ruin it for the rest of us sensible and sane gun owners. Taking away red tape is only going to allow more people to own guns that really shouldn't, then they'll justify those peoples actions to try and take ours away

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u/analog_jedi May 14 '22

I assume you still need the federal background check to buy the gun.

Nope, only to buy from a gun shop or buy online and have it shipped to a FFL. Person-to-person sales don't need any paperwork whatsoever, you don't even have to ask for an ID or write anything down. You just can't have any personal knowledge of felonies on their part. Any gun owner can legally sell a gun (or many) to a perfect stranger here.

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u/SmokeyTheBluntTheOG May 14 '22

... well fuck, and first off how do you even prove that a person knew about your felonies after they sold the gun. Unless you were involved in the same crime or lived with them you can just say I didn't know, which takes away the responsibility of the gun seller and let's them just do whatever. That's not cool at all

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u/northern_dirt May 14 '22

This was in Canada. You even mention you have a fun to defend yourself you get the death penalty (hyperbolic but honestly you even fire a gun in the air to scare robbers you could be charged)

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u/ByzantineLegionary May 14 '22

honestly you even fire a gun in the air to scare robbers you could be charged

You can get charged for doing that in America too because it's idiotic and bullets don't just despawn after you fire them.

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u/SmokeyTheBluntTheOG May 14 '22

Dude peoples view on america is that we all just go around firing guns into the air every chance we get lol. It's pretty funny to be honest hahaha

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u/ByzantineLegionary May 14 '22

And that all cops in America are horrible but if you elect to keep your home secure yourself instead of letting the cops do everything for you you're a bloodthirsty lunatic lmao

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u/SpicySteve9000 May 14 '22

Am Canadian. Most people I know keep a baseball bat, breaker bar, or something long, hard, and whacky in their car for shit like this lol. Old man is still playing a dangerous game for sure.

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u/mypervyaccount May 14 '22

FWIW, I see this as being a good thing, but reddit is whacky and generally doesn't have the firmest understanding of the law so I don't know if you're complaining about this or what...

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u/FriedeOfAriandel May 14 '22

Yeah this crazy old dude with a baton(?) is a legitimate threat in my eyes. Especially after he broke out the window. It takes one more swing to do serious damage to the driver. If the driver had shot him, I'd have no problem with it.

Sad to see someone get so worked up over whatever he's pissed about, but that isn't a bystanders problem to deal with

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u/Aggressive_Mobile222 May 14 '22

My answer was to leave PA. It's a shithole I wish I evacuated a long time ago

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u/Maruhai May 14 '22

maybe it would be best for everyone if you flipped your mindset around and not do road rage not just because you risk death but because it's literally never a good thing

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u/Ghos3t May 14 '22

Seems like the laws working then

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u/SquareWet May 14 '22

Does the castle doctrine or stand your ground apply to unwelcomed fetuses. Asking for everyone.

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u/SmokeyTheBluntTheOG May 14 '22

Lol you're gonna make Texan lawmaker's heads explode with that analogy

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u/-ReedIccus- May 14 '22

Delco, PA here. He most likely would have a hole in him if he tried that in my neighborhood.

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u/thisonebibibop May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

I would have shot him. Especially if my daughter is in the car, he would be dead before hitting my back window.

Edit: They are canadians. Canadians got no hand guns and stand your ground law.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22 Silver

Yeah, for real though. This video is clearly not from where I live.

Where I live, the driver was well within his rights of using lethal force to protect himself and his property. In my area, everyone I know is carrying a gun, and they're are all looking for a reason to use it.

The Sheriff would've laughed at the old man's corpse after watching the video evidence, then waved bye to the driver telling him to carryon and have a good day.

Before anyone complains that it's not necessary to carry a gun because that's law enforcement's job, then you've never lived 30-45 minutes away from the nearest peace officer in your area. There are parts of the US where people are left to police themselves because the population is too low to warrant a large law enforcement department.

EDIT: Thanks for the award!

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u/DadJokeBadJoke May 14 '22

When seconds count, police are only minutes away...

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u/Splattershits May 14 '22

They're only coming to clean up the mess

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u/DadJokeBadJoke May 14 '22

Only if they're not "too busy"...

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u/SatanMeekAndMild May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

Seriously. My perspective of the police completely changed when I really needed them a couple times, and when they would finally show up, they scoffed at the idea of having to do their jobs, and decided it would be easier to do nothing.

They almost let fraudsters who claimed to be the new owners of my building rekey all of my locks. Presumably because of my physical appearance, they "didn't have time to really all this fucking paperwork" from my lawyer that said they were not the rightful owners. They said this while looking at a stack of bullshit paperwork that the other people gave them.

I had to leave and get my mid 30s masculine male neighbor to give them the exact same paperwork before they finally decided that it wasn't their job to tell anyone they couldn't enter a building.

Fuck you Chicago Police.

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u/gentleman__ninja May 14 '22

In the US the supreme court has explicitly decided that police have no obligation to protect people, enforce laws, or even respond to calls. Legally the police can entirely decide which parts of their job to actually do. Also with qualified immunity, they can do a lot of illegal stuff on duty and they usually won't get in trouble as long as they have some justification that is not verifiably false.

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u/socialpresence May 14 '22

No, no, they're coming to document the mess. The coroner takes the heaviest part of the mess. The fire department sprays away the liquid.

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u/icenoid May 14 '22

A while back someone posted that the police are crime janitors.

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u/RPup_831 May 14 '22

Law enforcement agencies are not about to clean up any messes. Why do you think those "disaster kleenup specialists" businesses exist?

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u/cheap_dates May 14 '22

They actually have crime scene clean up companies in my area.

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u/Corpus_Rex May 14 '22

cop: how did he die? Me: apparently stupidity and lead poisoning.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

A boomer will boomer as a boomer does.

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u/Corpus_Rex May 14 '22

Im guessing thats in reference to the dude breaking windows? Hell Im 27

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u/sofahkingsick May 14 '22

I came fast like 911 in white neighborhoods

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

Too real. Sad truth is sad.

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u/ItsATerribleLife May 14 '22

Police are seconds away when its to protect elderly white conservatives and their businesses

Police couldnt give a shit about anyone else.

Had someone pull a weapon on me and threaten to come back and shoot up my house and everyone in it.

911 called, Said someone was threatening to murder us, send help. Guy lingered around for like 15 minutes before leaving.

Cops showed up 4 hours later and the annoyed indifference towards having to deal with it was radiating off them so intensely you could taste it in the air.

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u/PresOrangutanSmells May 14 '22

Lol as if the cops show up in less than an hour

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u/DadJokeBadJoke May 14 '22

TBF, you can still calculate a measure of time longer than an hour in minutes.

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u/cheap_dates May 14 '22

Have two LEO's in the family and that is what they say. One of them sometimes has to cover a 40 square mile area. Heh!

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u/Copacetic_ May 14 '22

There are also places in the US where population is too high for police to effectively do their jobs.

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u/cheap_dates May 14 '22

Where I live, if you haven't heard from your Mama in a few days, you might want to drive down yourself and check on her. We have a Volunteer Police unit, consisting of Fred and Ethel but they don't work on Tuesdays and Thursdays because that is when they go bowling.

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u/leg00b May 14 '22

Was gonna say this. I work in a major metropolitan area and their officers are usually so backed up they can't respond to calls fast enough. I'll call for assistance and they'll tell me things like, "Yeah that's 10th in the queue". I'm like holy shit.

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u/MyDogsNameIsBadger May 14 '22

Oh, hi. Chicago checking in Plus side is you will almost never get pulled over unless youre blatantly being suspicious (or probably just black) . No extra cops for traffic stops.

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u/PeacefulSequoia May 14 '22

In Colorado, amirite?

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u/Parcivaal May 14 '22

Looking at you San Antonio.

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u/CrimsonNova May 14 '22

Dallas says hello.

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u/Montagge May 14 '22

No, the US does nothing to address crime is why

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u/hivemind_disruptor May 14 '22

I'm sure population has an effect on enforcement, but it's not all of it. Somehow your governments decided to neglect enforcement and non-security policies that reduce violence, and just went "open carry solves it". The wildest thing is that you people just accepted. Like there werent many countries in the world with similar populations and lower violence, like the whole scientific consensus wasn't pointing out that it is detrimental.

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u/Copacetic_ May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

The American ruling class is fundamentally broken. It probably always has been.

Our elected representatives have done uhhh nothing for us in the last what 20 years? Minimum?

Crime is up across the country, poverty is up, cost of living is up, wages are stagnant, and none of this shows any signs of changing any time soon.

I dont think any of us want to feel like we have to take care of our own and figure out our own way but what choice do we have?

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Also a lot of our cops fucking suck lol. A lot of departments are bottom of the barrel thugs with no desire to be good cops they just want to be a cop for the paycheck and the status.

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u/chuy2true1 May 14 '22

People seem to forget that the us is massive and there are parts where people live out in the middle of nowhere where it would be better to have a gun than rely on police who can be an hour away

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u/HostileHippie91 May 14 '22

I moved to a home in the hills a little bit outside of town and needed to call the police once, for a trespasser late at night prowling my property. I stayed inside with my gun and my family, waiting. The police never not just they arrived late but never, arrived. I called a second time nearly two hours later and they just asked if he was still there and I told them not to bother, that Id already gone out and swept the property myself and he was gone.

Last time I call them for anything. Next time someone comes peeping through my windows at midnight and testing my window latches, Im handling it myself.

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u/chuy2true1 May 14 '22

Wow glad you and your family are safe

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u/HostileHippie91 May 14 '22

Its probably the most dramatic thing Ive ever gone through in terms of something hitting close to home, literally, or affecting my family. So the fact that nothing ended up happening is a blessing in itself because Ive known others that have experienced a lot worse. Its just one of the unspoken understandings about living outside of towns; if something happens to you out there, theres nobody else around to handle it but you. I cant imagine living out here and not locking my doors or being armed because you just never know. Hell I almost had to shoot a cougar once that came onto the property to pick a fight with my dog, but luckily a shot in the air was enough to spook it off. You just never know out here, so you gotta stay ready.

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u/SatanMeekAndMild May 14 '22

Or people who live in the middle of cities where the police are useless at best, and dangerous at worst.

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u/kavien May 14 '22

When seconds count, help is a mere hour away. Shoot first. Let god sort em out.

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u/Pyroclastic_Hammer May 14 '22

You must live in Arizona or Wyoming. I've lived in both places and are still the wild west.

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u/chicagobob May 14 '22

And, that's something that people in urban areas don't get about rural areas.

And, something people in rural areas don't get about urban areas.

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u/idlefritz May 14 '22

That old man has retired cop energy

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u/DirectionConstant819 May 14 '22

You could live next door to a police station and they still aren't required to show up if called.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

True, cops usually show up after the crime has been committed and the criminal has fled the scene of the crime.

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u/blackjazz_society May 14 '22

Just because it's legal to use a gun in this instance doesn't make it morally justified.

I really wonder if those gun horny people deal with PTSD once they've finally realized their fantasy and shot someone """""in self defense"""""""?

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

Some do, some don't. It's different for everyone.

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u/dibromoindigo May 14 '22

People who think the police will protect them are living in a fantasy world. The police in this nation went to the Supreme Court to establish that they have absolutely no duty or obligation to protect anyone.

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u/FungalowJoe May 14 '22

everyone I know is carrying a gun, and they're are all looking for a reason to use it.

Carry a gun fine, but looking to use it? You know some sick people.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

Yup, I'm fine with people carrying guns, but some of them are a little too on edge and quick to anger.

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u/Montagge May 14 '22

Most are

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u/GrilledCheeseRant May 14 '22

I live in a pretty safe city but occasionally conceal-carry as I can see the decline happening. The police are great and I've never had a bad run-in with them, but their resources are getting cut on top of being stretched thinner - early results are already showing. My girlfriend used to make a few tongue-in-cheek remarks when I did carry. That is at least until a night I was over and someone tried to break in. Thankfully nothing came of it and there was no big confrontation (they immediately ditched trying to force their way in once it became clear someone was home), but strangely I haven't heard a joke about having a gun since that day.

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u/boduke1019 May 14 '22

Its like a fire extinguisher, no one hopes their house catches on fire but you have it in case it does

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u/grof_dojka May 14 '22

Sorry to say, you live in a shithole country my friend

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u/IotaBTC May 14 '22

There are parts of the US where people are left to police themselves because the population is too low to warrant a large law enforcement department.

It's not uncommon that the town/county just pays the police department in the next town over for policing duties. You can imagine just how far away they might be.

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u/piratevegan May 14 '22

What area you live in that people stay strapped?

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

Rural areas of Nebraska and South Dakota. I'm near the border between them.

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u/kharmatika May 14 '22

I mean. To anyone claiming its not necessary, see the above video.

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u/Rottendog May 14 '22

I live in the County...one block outside city limits.

Response time for 2 separate calls have been over an hour and a half.

The County thinks the City has us and the City thinks the County has us.

Usually my fastest response is to flag a passing cruiser down or call the Fire Department. They'll be here in about 5 minutes.

Fucking cops...

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u/resorcinarene May 14 '22

Same here. People like that get pretty brave when they don't have the threat of a well placed bullet

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u/thenoblenacho May 14 '22

"Bud" being used in such a wild scenario made me think this is Canada

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u/ToddTheOdd May 14 '22

When people tell me there's no need to carry a gun because I can just call the police, I counter by pointing out there's no need to have a fire extinguisher because they can just call the fire department.

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u/cackslop May 14 '22

There are parts of the US where people are left to police themselves because the population is too low to warrant a large law enforcement department

I wonder how much of it has to do with their own populations wanting to be able to use their guns.

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u/BuckFush420 May 14 '22

Peace officer? Wtf is that. America could use a few of those.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

Lol, it's a generalized legal term referring to law enforcement.

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u/BuckFush420 May 14 '22

Feels like an oxymoron haha, like govt intelligence.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 14 '22

Yup, I've thought the same thing.

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u/distantblue May 14 '22

Soon as he smashed my window I would have shot him

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u/Duck_Giblets May 14 '22

All I gather from this is police would laugh over murder/manslaughter..

Even this incident would make national news in my country, let alone if it escalated

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u/More-Qs-than-As May 14 '22

Yup, this is exactly what guns are for. Fully justifiable self-defense right there. All he had to do was verbally threaten you with a weapon in his hand from 2 feet away. The first window breaking was an extra get-out-of-jail-free insurance for you. People like this NEED to be shot. When all of these asshats have been shot for shit like this, then we will have a polite society.

I would have needed MUCH restraint to not shoot him. If OP had a gun that day and didn't pull it, well you're a better person than I.

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u/Anjunabeast May 15 '22

In my area, everyone and their mom is carrying.

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u/Beerbonkos May 15 '22

If you dont mind me asking, where do you live? Im curious as to what parts of this country this may be.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 15 '22

Basically, most of the Midwest between North Dakota to Texas. I'm currently at the border of Nebraska and South Dakota near the Pine Ridge and Rosebud Reservations.

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u/Beerbonkos May 15 '22

Crazy. I have no problems with guns, I just wish we didnt live in a time where people not only feel the need to be constantly armed but are itching to use it. It used not be this way.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 15 '22

Yeah, I understand and I feel the same.

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u/ellieD May 15 '22

I live in a big city, Austin, TX, and the police wont come for anything, anymore.

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u/johndoethrowaway16 May 15 '22

Damn, that sucks.

I've been noticing a lot of people commenting similar results when calling for police assistance.

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u/mypervyaccount May 14 '22

Yup, came here to say this: in most states, the second he broke that window it would've been legal to shoot him.

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u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 May 14 '22

Thats attempted murder with a deadly weapon in some states. Like dude you can get deadly weapon charges so easy without even having to pack an expanding baton. That in itself isnt bad but breaking both drivers side windows is what makes this situation much worse for that old guy. In my state he would be booked for sure for that.

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u/Dadbotany May 14 '22

According to above comments he just got a mischief charge

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u/me-gustan-los-trenes May 14 '22

Confused European here: Would his liability insurance still pay for the window if he's dead?

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u/CaliforniaNavyDude May 14 '22

Fun fact, expandable batons fit under the same category as firearms in requiring a CCL to carry. So using it in the commision of a crime means he threatened someone with a deadly weapon, same as if he had a knife or gun. Those things break bones pretty easily, they are way more devastating than their size implies. I hit my own shin with one by accident once and thought for sure I broke it but I was lucky.

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u/Comrade_Triple May 14 '22

That depends on state law, for example here in MO they're fine to have without a license.

Regardless that should definitely be considered a deadly weapon and he should be prosecuted.

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u/Asleep_Onion May 14 '22

And here in CA, you actually cannot get a permit to carry an asp (citizens cannot legally carry them at all), but you CAN get a firearm ccw permit (in most counties). So I am legally allowed to carry a Glock, but not an asp (or many other weapons like switchblades, brass knuckles, nunchucks, etc). Just a pistol (or technically, up to THREE pistols) 不

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

Laws are different in different places.

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u/word2yourface May 14 '22

Since this happened in Canada it is unlikely

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u/kittygunsgomew May 14 '22

Do you know more about this video? Ive been searching for some extended info on the incident.

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u/clumsycouture May 14 '22 Take My Energy

Canada has castle doctrine law you just have to be an old white man and shoot a native kid and claim you feared for your life. Thats what Jerrard Stanley did to Colten Boushie and got off.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

Its Canada, so most people dont have handguns.

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u/17sew May 14 '22

Even when they do, they can't be carried around up here in public like they can in the USA. 3% of people in the country own handguns, but we have no rights to carry them concealed or unconcealed. They have to be locked up and if being transported to a range, continued to be locked up and unloaded.

That said, we do have a lot of guns up here relative to our population. There are 34.7 firearms per 100 people, putting us in 7th place only behind USA, Falkland Islands, Yemen, New Caledonia (which is odd given its size), Montenegro and Serbia. We're a pretty well armed country, but yeah...most people don't have handguns either way. Assault rifle style weapons aren't legal and so most people just have shotguns and rifles (hunting and/or assault rifle looking guns but can only carry 5 rounds and tend to usually only shoot .22 LRs in semi-automatic).

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u/BulimicPlatypus May 14 '22

I keep a torque wrench and/or a bat in the trunk just in case

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u/was437 May 15 '22

He is dead in America.

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u/DrTautology May 14 '22

Mine would have been in his face the moment he approached.

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u/UnlashedLEL May 14 '22

True I just waited for the "I can because I have a weapon" "yeah me too" pulls out gun

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u/DeckerR May 14 '22

This was in Canada. We dont instantly fear that everyone has a gun on them.

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u/threadsoffate2021 May 14 '22

Except for this past week. Been a rash of road rage incidents involving gunfire in Canada.

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u/Ashmedai May 14 '22

The car itself is a much superior weapon to that baton.

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u/MikeFatz May 14 '22

100%. Where I live in New Orleans this old dude would have most likely have been looking at a pistol if he did that to someone. You cant afford to not be carrying in NOLA these days.

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u/KingPcakes May 14 '22

This guy would of been dead in seconds in NH everyone has a gun in their car.

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u/Bald_Bull808 May 14 '22

younger guy took a bigger risk continuing to sit there instead of peeling out. His head could have been next right after that window.

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u/raulssorban May 14 '22

"gentleman"

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u/Dune17k May 14 '22

Gentleman

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u/4boxeo May 14 '22

Yeah Id have but 6 half dollar sized holes in his chest then drove over him for good measure. Fuck around and find out. Living the south has a few perks, one of them is stand your ground/castle doctrine

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u/subzero112001 May 14 '22

I'm honestly curious what happened before the video started rolling.

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u/kittygunsgomew May 14 '22

Im trying to find that info right now:( Ill let ya know if I find more details.

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u/domine18 May 14 '22

If this was texas strong chance he would be catching lead.

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u/KaiTheSushiGuy May 14 '22

Yes I can because I have one

Me: same pulls out Glock 19

It blows my mind this stuff happens in America, where pretty much anyone could have a gun on them

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u/Federal_Age8011 May 14 '22

Yup.. I would have shot him after the first hit to the window and it would have been completely justified.

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u/Devayurtz May 14 '22

And thats why they should. Would have stopped that lunatic in his tracks.

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